• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.

Announcement

Collapse

Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

Credible threats of suicide will be reported to the police along with identifying user information at our disposal, in addition to referring the user to suicide helpline resources such as 1-800-SUICIDE or 1-800-273-TALK.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 2/8/18)
See more
See less

Would you buy a saddlebred for dressage

Collapse
This topic is closed.
X
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • #81
    I don't know of any sound horse who can't go higher than 2nd level. Maybe we are confusing the horse's ability with the rider's ability?

    If you really want to get to the higher levels above all else, it is probably best to buy a horse who is already at the upper levels. If the destination is more important than the journey, just skip the journey! Why waste your time training the horse up the levels at all?

    Comment


    • #82
      I pick individuals. I loff ASB's and when Avery's time is done I'll be looking for an ASB sport horse. BUT I won't be looking at ones already saddle-seat trained - I'll be haunting the back field of the breeders trying to find the "culls"!!

      BTW I can't get the link to open for the horse in question - probably too many hits.

      ______________
      The TB body slave formerly known as Lizviola.
      "The standard you walk by is the standard you accept."--Lt. Gen. David Morrison, Austalian Army Chief

      Comment


      • #83
        <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by lexiboo:
        I don't know of any sound horse who _can't_ go higher than 2nd level. Maybe we are confusing the horse's ability with the rider's ability?

        If you really want to get to the higher levels above all else, it is probably best to buy a horse who is already at the upper levels. If the destination is more important than the journey, just skip the journey! Why waste your time training the horse up the levels at all? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

        WOW well put.

        The two most common elements in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity. But not in that order.
        -- Brian Pickrell

        Comment


        • #84
          <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by lexiboo:
          I don't know of any sound horse who _can't_ go higher than 2nd level. Maybe we are confusing the horse's ability with the rider's ability?
          <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

          Most every horse on the planet can jump 3'6 as well. There's doing it, and then there's doing it well. I like to think doing it well counts for more.

          <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> If you really want to get to the higher levels above all else, it is probably best to buy a horse who is already at the upper levels. If the destination is more important than the journey, just skip the journey! Why waste your time training the horse up the levels at all? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

          While there certainly are some people who want to skip the journey, and have the means to do so, there are plenty of people who like bringing a horse along to the higher levels. And a lot of those people understand that nothing will break a willing horse's heart faster than asking him to do more than he is capable of doing. And a horse who is more saavy than willing can get downright unpleasant to ride if you keep pushing him.

          I mean sure I could train an untalented horse to heave his body over a 3'6 jump, but if he just hasn't got it to give me natural back up approaching the fence and honest style over the top of the jump, and I persist in trying to create that which is not there, I'm not being fair or particularly kind to that animal to keep expecting him to give it to me. Better I should figure out where his talents lay and what his true limits are and work within his abilities.

          And of course there are some atypical individuals who flat out defy expectations, and we all love those stories. But there is a reason why there is a predominant type in any given discipline.

          Call your village. Their idiot is missing...
          Your crazy is showing. You might want to tuck that back in.

          Comment


          • #85
            I don't think anyone is recommending "forcing" a horse into a discipline that makes him unhappy. However, if your horse can't accept and benefit from *lower level* dressage, I honestly don't know what he would be good for (maybe a pasture ornament ). I do not enjoy riding tense, unresponsive, and disobedient horses. If this is the most that your horse can give you, I wouldn't call that horse unsuitable for dressage. I would call him unrideable. And to label an entire breed or type of horse as unrideable requires a pretty big stretch of the imagination.

            I think that an unsuitable dressage horse is more atypical than a suitable one. I've seen too many fugly culls turned into beautiful dressage horses to believe that dressage is only for one type of horse. One only has to look at Podhajsky's remount horses to see this!

            Comment


            • #86
              <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by War Admiral:
              I pick individuals. I loff ASB's and when Avery's time is done I'll be looking for an ASB sport horse. BUT I won't be looking at ones already saddle-seat trained - I'll be haunting the back field of the breeders trying to find the "culls"!!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

              With many breeds (Morgans, ASBs, Arabians to name a few), the best horses are usually the "culls"!

              Comment


              • #87
                Uhhh....waaaay back to the original post, re: horse allergies. I know a woman who has been grooming horses at the track for nearly 20 years and she is terribly allergic to horses. She manages it with medication, and has no symptoms whatsoever. Not sure what the medication is, but if the original poster's friend really would prefer to stay around horses, maybe there are options.

                Two Toofs
                (formerly - but still - NDANO)

                Comment


                • #88
                  <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by lexiboo:
                  I don't think anyone is recommending "forcing" a horse into a discipline that makes him unhappy. However, if your horse can't accept and benefit from *lower level* dressage, I honestly don't know what he would be good for (maybe a pasture ornament ). I do not enjoy riding tense, unresponsive, and disobedient horses. If this is the most that your horse can give you, I wouldn't call that horse unsuitable for dressage. I would call him unrideable.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                  I think it's safe to say there are plenty of horses that are somewhere above a pasture ornament and are not successful at higher levels. And you should note that at no point did I say a horse would not benefit from lower level dressage. That's a little like saying that I called the sky orange. But I do recognize that this particular horse is a) far more supple, well trained, obedient than you seem to envision and b) is far more suited to a long and low frame, cantering down to jumps and otherwise excelling at his chosen discipline.

                  You can accept (or not, I don't really care) that it's possible I might know where this animal will excel and where he will be frustrated, and that I have said that just about ANY horse can do lower level anything, and that's good enough for most people. But not for all people.

                  <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>And to label an entire breed or type of horse as unrideable requires a pretty big stretch of the imagination.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                  I will judge any and all individual animals on their own merits, but what do we have a breed standard for, if not to develop a type of animal for a specific purpose? Don't you think there is a reason why the ideal stock horse looks different from thoroughbred, who is easily differentiated from a the epitome of paso finos? Or were all those breeders just wasting their time over the last 100+ years?

                  <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I think that an unsuitable dressage horse is more atypical than a suitable one. I've seen too many fugly culls turned into beautiful _dressage_ horses to believe that dressage is only for one type of horse. One only has to look at Podhajsky's remount horses to see this! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                  If by suitable, you mean you can execute certain expressions of a well trained horse, yes, I think we all realize that this is the primary goal when we get on a horse. But if it was your job to give a score a test, and the same rider rode two different animals in a test, and the first horse just made it look effortless and easy, truly a pleasure to ride. The other horse, while technically correct, labored at his craft. Which one would you score higher? Which one would you call more suitable? Or would you just decide that the rider/trainer lacked ability on the second, less gifted animal?

                  Call your village. Their idiot is missing...
                  Your crazy is showing. You might want to tuck that back in.

                  Comment


                  • #89
                    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bumpkin:
                    Yes Hoopoe, that is the one.
                    I did not know that he passed away, how sad

                    "Proud Member Of The I Love Dublin, Starman Babies, Mini Horse, Sunnieflax and Horse Boxes Cliques" <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                    I think "Private" died 4/5 years ago- he was a gorgeous horse and I know his owner/trainer was devastated.

                    Dressager
                    You don't throw a whole life away just because its a little banged up - Tom Smith
                    You don't throw a whole life away just because its a little banged up - Tom Smith

                    Comment

                    • Original Poster

                      #90
                      Two Toofs- the original owner did seek medical treatments for the allergies. Unfortunatelly I think it was just too much for her to overcome. Like other medical conditions there are verying degrees...and I believe hers was very severe. Thanks for the thought though.
                      ~Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away...

                      Comment


                      • #91
                        <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DMK:
                        If by suitable, you mean you can execute certain expressions of a well trained horse, yes, I think we all realize that this is the primary goal when we get on a horse. But if it was your job to give a score a test, and the same rider rode two different animals in a test, and the first horse just made it look effortless and easy, truly a pleasure to ride. The other horse, while technically correct, labored at his craft. Which one would you score higher? Which one would you call more suitable? Or would you just decide that the rider/trainer lacked ability on the second, less gifted animal?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                        Dressage should look effortless. We agree on that! The horse should not look irritable, or like he doesn't want to be there. I believe the collective marks for submission indicate this. Are you implying that certain breeds are more submissive than others? If so, what is the most submissive breed, in your opinion? (Seriously. I'm not being sarcastic.)

                        But should the judge score the horse based on whether he believes that the horse is suitable? I think the judge should stick to the rules. It doesn't matter how "suitable" (whatever that means) the horse is. Does this word even appear in the rules? Are tall horses more suitable than short horses? All that matters is what occurs in the ring. That is all the judge is supposed to judge.

                        Please don't worry about your horses somehow becoming obsolete. Just because they aren't the ONLY "suitable" horses for dressage, doesn't mean that they have no place in the dressage ring. If they are correct, sound, and have good temperaments, people will want them. Even if there are other "suitable" horses out there, you will be light years ahead of the competition just by breeding sound and sane horses!

                        Comment


                        • #92
                          To answer the original question (sort of), I wouldn't NOT buy a horse for dressage because it was a Saddlebred. Like, "Oooh, what a fabu horse, so forward and full of schwung, and wow, look at that suspension and suppleness and... it's a Saddlebred? NO WAY, MAN!"

                          That would be utterly foolish.

                          SillyHorse
                          ~ I'm probably on John Ashcroft's enemies list. At any rate, he's on mine. ~
                          Donald Trump - proven liar, cheat, traitor and sexual predator! Hillary Clinton won in 2016, but we have all lost.

                          Comment


                          • #93
                            lexiboo, I didn't use the word "submissive," I didn't even use a synonym for it, and personally don't have much experience evaluating breeds for any degree of it, so I am afraid I can't help you on that one.

                            But are you telling me that you don't understand what I mean when an animal is effortlessly executing his craft, nor can you tell the difference between one who does so, and one who labors at it? (seriously, I'm not being sarcastic)

                            As for scoring, actually I asked you which one you would score higher. I then asked which one you would call more suitable. That was two questions. I wasn't asking for your suitability score. But at again, even if the judge only judges what happens in the ring, are you saying that these two hypothetical individuals are equal?

                            <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Please don't worry about your horses somehow becoming obsolete. Just because they aren't the ONLY "suitable" horses for dressage, doesn't mean that they have no place in the dressage ring. If they are correct, sound, and have good temperaments, people will want them. Even if there are other "suitable" horses out there, you will be light years ahead of the competition just by breeding sound and sane horses! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                            Really, you have to work with me here. I had no fears of any of my horses being obsolete. Trust me on this one. And I have never said that only a certain breed of horse belongs in the dressage ring. Or any other discipline. Just as I understand there is generally an accepted body type that can excel at any given discipline, I also understand that individuals break the rules (in both directions) every day. I've even owned one or two such beasts. So I'm a little lost on your point, if there was one.

                            Call your village. Their idiot is missing...
                            Your crazy is showing. You might want to tuck that back in.

                            Comment


                            • #94
                              <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DMK:
                              But are you telling me that you don't understand what I mean when an animal is effortlessly executing his craft, nor can you tell the difference between one who does so, and one who labors at it? (seriously, I'm not being sarcastic)

                              As for scoring, actually I asked you which one you would score higher. I then asked which one you would call more suitable. That was two questions. I wasn't asking for your suitability score. But at again, even if the judge only judges what happens in the ring, are you saying that these two hypothetical individuals are equal? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                              I would score the horse who "effortlessly executes his craft" higher than one who labors. We do agree on this point, right? I would not be able to answer which horse is more "suitable." Maybe the more "suitable" horse is having a bad day. Maybe the "unsuitable" horse has better training. I don't think dressage is such that you can easily label a horse as "suitable" or "unsuitable." Some of the best dressage horses I have known would have been labeled by many as unsuitable.

                              You can only prove your "suitability" by succeeding at dressage. The most "suitable" horse in the world does not amount to a pile of beans if he is sitting out in the pasture!

                              Comment


                              • #95
                                Not to go off topic but, DMK, I love your tag line!
                                *****
                                You will not rise to the occasion, you will default to your level of training.

                                Comment


                                • #96
                                  <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SillyHorse:
                                  To answer the original question (sort of), I wouldn't NOT buy a horse for dressage because it was a Saddlebred. Like, "Oooh, what a fabu horse, so forward and full of schwung, and wow, look at that suspension and suppleness and... it's a Saddlebred? NO WAY, MAN!"

                                  That would be utterly foolish.

                                  _SillyHorse
                                  ~ I'm probably on John Ashcroft's enemies list. At any rate, he's on mine. ~_<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                  Agreed, SillyHorse. I do have to say my orginal, 'No Way!' on the, at the time, unseen Midge is starting to look like a good idea. As in, 'She's a ten year old, 15.2 hand chestnut TB mare with a bone chip, a spot in her eye, and 65 starts? No WAY!" &lt;sigh&gt; Perhaps we should listen to those little voices inside our heads...

                                  BTW, I like your tag line, too!
                                  *****
                                  You will not rise to the occasion, you will default to your level of training.

                                  Comment


                                  • #97
                                    DMK,

                                    I think there is a distinction between "where to look to have the best odds" and "what are the criteria for buying (or not buying)the horse."

                                    For instance (to take an extreme case), if someone were looking for a top level jumper. I wouldn't say "You should go to the New Holland 'killer' sales." That just isn't where you are going to have the best chances of finding a good jumper.

                                    But that is where Snowman (and some other good horses, IIRC) came from.

                                    If the question were reworded:
                                    "Would you buy a horse from the killer auction for a jumper?"
                                    or even
                                    "Would you NOT buy a horse for a jumper because it originally came from a killer auction?"
                                    what would your response be then?

                                    Janet
                                    chief feeder and mucker for Music, Spy, Belle, and Brain
                                    Janet

                                    chief feeder and mucker for Music, Spy, Belle and Tiara. Someone else is now feeding and mucking for Chief and Brain (both foxhunting now).

                                    Comment


                                    • #98
                                      I couldn't get his picture to come up, but the best horse I ever had the good fortune to share my farm with was a Saddlebred. He came from somewhere out west (brand and all!) and he was a big, rugged boy. He was the smartest, kindest, most incredibly intelligent animal I've ever known. Truly a human spirit in a horse! He had been used heavily as a Whip horse in a hunt for many years, and when it was time to retire, he came to me with terrible navicular. The day we put him down, a huge flock of blackbirds landed around him when he lay down for the last time. Moments later, they took off in a flurry of wings. That horse was really something special.

                                      Comment


                                      • #99
                                        I told myself that I wasn't going to get into this any more but, I do need to once again clear up a few miss conceptions....

                                        <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
                                        Saddlebreds are bred for long, thin, naturally upright necks. These do not easily translate to the long and low frame required at the lower levels of dressage.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                        Well bred sporthorses have necks that come out high out of their shoulders. It is called an "uphill" build and it is what makes it easier for them to later do more advanced work. Long and low work at lower dressage levels comes from stretching over the back into the contact. Horses that have an "uphill" build are still able to do long and low if they are truely maintaining the contact and are through their backs. After all, my horse has NOOOOO problem lowering his head to eat his hay!

                                        [QUOTE}
                                        The first horse has what I would consider extreme knee action for a sporthorse. His forearm is parallel to the ground. Great for the saddlebred ring, but I'll pass. In the conformation shot he's standing with his head up in the air, the natural pose for the way his neck is attached to his body. [/QUOTE]

                                        This is the horse we are talking about:

                                        http://buyhorses.com/scripts/hrsdetl.exe?1040319695&0

                                        I would say that you do not have an educated eye. First, pictures of ASBs are always captured at the top of their stride. Notice the balance of his trot. The hocks are snapping up at the same time and angle as the front leg. If this shot was taken a moment later, you no doubt would see that this horse has excellent extension with quite a bit of suspension because he can drive off of his rear quite nicely! Notice in the bottom picture that the horse is striding out. My own ASB had a natural extended trot that was "above level". For reference, here he is now:

                                        http://www.americansaddlebredsportho...wer.php?hid=93

                                        My horse has excellent extentions and I have been told by more than one clinician that he has the talent to do upper level possibly even up to Grand Prix if he had a rider who could take him there (not me)! Anyway, back to the horse in the picture. He is photographed with his head in the air because that is how ASBs are typically photographed. He could have just as easily been photographed with it arched out. Look at where he carries his head when he trots. I love his uphill movement! Plus, if you do the math, you will see that these photos were most likely taken when this horse was 18 month old! I think that this horse will be amazing when he is 4 and under saddle. Imagine what he will look like then!

                                        <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
                                        The third horse looks like a nice backyard type. I'm not even going there with his conformation.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                        Here is the horse she is talking about:

                                        http://www.highcountryhorses.com/hor...ut=300&id=8703

                                        I have heard it said that the average AA wants a horse that rides like a dude horse during the week and can pull down scores in the 60s on weekends. Most of the AAs I know will never get past 2nd level. They just don't have the talent. I've seen the video of this horse. I'm not a huge fan of pinto, but this horse easily has the talent to go to 2nd (maybe higher with his canter!) and he would make his owner so happy because he is fun and honest. You may sneer at his conformation (I don't know how you can judge it from those pictures) but your comment about "backyard horse" is condecending. This gelding is easily as nice as many of the Art Deco babies I have seen and he is a whole lot cheaper!

                                        I guess since you say that these horses are not suited to dressage, I'd like to see what you ride. I'd like to hear your test scores and see pictures of your horse doing extended trot work etc. That would be helpful so that those of us with ASBs could all see what we all are missing. In the mean time, my ASB is off to the state championships. I'll let you know how he does!

                                        Comment


                                        • Thanks Cbrand! A champion for our wonderful breed Keep up the wonderful work you are doing with your ASB.

                                          Addicted to Pleasure

                                          Comment

                                          Working...
                                          X