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  • Gypsy Vanner Marketing Scheme Part II: Gypsy Vanner Horse Goods and Products



    A chick at the barn came out yesterday with a bright pink box of horse cookies that were named something like "Luck and Love" peppermint swirl horse yummies. There was a picture of a gypsy vanner trompsing through a flower filled meadow with a slogan under it that said "a new kind of horse treat inspired by a new horse breed."

    Yep... I've now officially seen it all.

    As far as other ways for us to make money with all this craziness, who wants to join me in importing some little pack horses from Africa and starting the new "African warmblood registry"?

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    • "but the "Gypsy Vanner" horses I've seen (in photos only) are NOT the type of horse I'd picture jumping ANYTHING. They look like Percherons, Shires, etc. with spots. DRAFT horses. "


      Probably because they ARE draft horses. There is a registry for GVs and for Gypsy Cobs in the US. They are essentially the same thing, just a different last name. There IS a breed standard for both breeds, check http://www.gcdha.com for the standard for the Gypsy Cob.

      If you want to see one jumping, check out
      http://www.drumandfeather.com The stallion Spellcaster had a jumping photo on his page. I have been to his farm, and he is spectacular.

      There are two mares at Bit A Both Farm in Florida that are quite expensive, but they are driving mares that have an impressive show record. http://www.bitabothfarm.com I think is their website.

      If you have never met one in person, they are simply wonderful. My boyfriend went to Drum and Feather with me. He had never been around stallions before and was quite impressed when the owner asked us to come into the stall with her. He did not think the stallions would allow that. We also visited a woman in IL who has 4 mares and a colt. Her one mare is schooling fences quite well. All had wonderful, in your pocket temperaments. She told us a story of her one mare who had been imported, never ridden, and one day, the farm owner's two little girls were standing on her back as she grazed. Not the smartest thing of course, but it is a good story of their temperament. I am going to Equine Affaire in OH just to visit with some of the other breeders and meet some more of these horses.

      A lot of the owners are working more on the breeding aspect instead of showing, but some are out there in the showring. I know some that are starting in dressage training and one even has plans to do reining.

      The politics with this breed are a mess. But the horse itself is not.
      Jennifer

      My filly:
      http://www.angelfire.com/rings/dtfhustlersgold

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      • I just saw my first GV at Tampa this past week. He was smallish compared to the fullsized drafts...with tons of hair..Really kinda cute. I spoke briefly to the owner who commented that they were trying to breed them down in size (height) but with the same stockiness. Now to me that would just look ridiculous.
        "My treasures do not sparkle or glitter, they shine in the sunlight and nicker to me in the night"

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        • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by birdsong:
          I spoke briefly to the owner who commented that they were trying to breed them down in size (height) but with the same stockiness. Now to me that would just look ridiculous.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

          Most of the imported ones are 13 hh to 15.2 hh. They are trying to breed them down here in the States because owners here actually worm their mares and feed them well. Over there (in most cases), the horses are not wormed, not fed properly, and it is common for a yearling to be bred, thus not reaching her expected height. A lot of people have had a "problem" with that here. Now the small ones are selling really well, when the bigger ones were before. When I buy mine (in the future, need some money first!!), I will be looking for something in the 15 to 15.3hh range.

          My filly:

          http://www.angelfire.com/stars/sweet...s/aaralyn.html
          Jennifer

          My filly:
          http://www.angelfire.com/rings/dtfhustlersgold

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          • Glad someone resurrected this thread. I met this horse last weekend:

            http://www.vannercentral.com/kings_gypsy_princess.htm

            I don't know what the owners paid for her, but she is absolutely breathtakingly stunning. A beautiful horse. No way can someone consider her a "marketing ploy." If this is the direction they are taking this breed, someone is heading the right way. Wow.

            "I am not afraid of storms, for I am learning to sail my ship."
            -Louisa May Alcott
            "My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world." ~ Jack Layton

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            • She IS gorgeous. I have seen her pics there before

              Here is a stallion in Colorado who will be at Equine Affaire OH (I think)
              http://www.gypsyhorses.com/Horses/tyson.htm
              He is wonderful too. You have to check out the Equine Affaire pics from last year. They have him ponying one of his colts. How many stallions will allow that?

              Someone mentioned Drum horses. This stallion (same farm as above) was a Drum horse that belonged to the Queen of England.
              http://www.gypsyhorses.com/Horses/galwar.htm

              Jennifer K

              My filly:
              http://www.angelfire.com/stars/sweet...s/aaralyn.html
              Jennifer

              My filly:
              http://www.angelfire.com/rings/dtfhustlersgold

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              • How do they deal with that MANE on a daily basis! Good lord!

                'O lente, lente currite noctis equi' - Ovid

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                • Albion: It is in a loose french braid to her withers, then a straight braid from there. The braid is about 3-4 inches thick and goes to below her elbow. Her tail is in about four or five braids that are looped up and loosely secured below her dock.

                  "I am not afraid of storms, for I am learning to sail my ship."
                  -Louisa May Alcott
                  "My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world." ~ Jack Layton

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                  • the only thing outstanding about that horse is its long mane and coloration. if you select horses based on their color and their mane, god bless ya. i don't.

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                    • My Irish assistant said the "Knacker's Horses," as they are called there, are wonderful horses for riding schools and the like. They are pretty bombproof. She too would like to export about a gazillion of them. If anyone is serious, she is back in Dublin and I'm sure she'd be happy to help.

                      Kathy Johnson
                      Kathy Johnson

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                      • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by slc:
                        the only thing outstanding about that horse is its long mane and coloration. if you select horses based on their color and their mane, god bless ya. i don't.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                        Which horse are you referring to? I don't select horses on their color or mane, but conformation and temperament. These are DRAFT horses. NOT Thoroughbreds, Warmbloods, etc. Draft horses should have a different type of conformation than sporthorses etc. They are made for pulling loads, not jumping 5 ft.

                        Jennifer K

                        My filly:
                        http://www.angelfire.com/stars/sweet...s/aaralyn.html
                        Jennifer

                        My filly:
                        http://www.angelfire.com/rings/dtfhustlersgold

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                        • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chaser:
                          Why aren't there many cobs?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                          What a good question! We have had cob sized bridles for years, and no cobs to wear them.


                          Hmmmmmm. Another mystery of life.....

                          ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

                          Do you know why they call it "PMS"? Because "Mad Cow Disease" was taken
                          "He lives in a cocoon of solipsism"

                          Charles Krauthammer speaking about Trump

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                          • I've heard recently that the importation of horses is rising in cost...whcih might not make importing many breeds for the sole purpose of sale here so lucratrive anymore. However...as long as most horses have the wrods "imported" in their ads the prices do seem to jump dramatically.
                            Hubby tried to buy a 2 year old chestnut and white Gypsy filly last November at the Equine affaire. Darned near had to tackle him at the knees when I heard him discussing price. I think the Gypsy's are some darned cute little fuzzy buggers, but can't fiugure out what the heck I'd do with one.

                            Equine Crash Test Dummy
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                            You jump in the saddle,
                            Hold onto the bridle!
                            Jump in the line!
                            ...Belefonte

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                            • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by slc:
                              the only thing outstanding about that horse is its long mane and coloration. if you select horses based on their color and their mane, god bless ya. i don't.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                              Well, couple her impressive good looks with her outstanding ground manners and driving abilities, and I think this is a pretty darn nice horse. Sorry, she won't make it in the dressage arena, but that is not what she was purchased for. She is doing exactly what her owners want, and she's doing it very, very well. So please, just because a horse does not fit YOUR ideals, don't write it off. Believe it or not, not everyone wants exactly what you want in a horse.

                              (hitchinmygetalong running like mad from the brick slc is prepping to throw....)

                              "I am not afraid of storms, for I am learning to sail my ship."
                              -Louisa May Alcott
                              "My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world." ~ Jack Layton

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                              • I am having visions of small girls with their "Robert Vavra" horse picture books. Lovely photos to tack to your walls when you are a day dreaming child.

                                The reason these horses are so kind is obviously from their draft/pony blood. The reason these horses are so popular is their coloring as well as their long manes and feathers. I believe that is one of the reasons people are so drawn to the Freisians as well.

                                Breed dujour? You betcha. You can go to the fall Waverly sale in Iowa and pick up a spotted draft for $1000 - $2000. Sounds to me like there is no difference as these Gypsy horses are not pedigreed. A good horse is a good horse...but I definately think it is bordering on the "scam".

                                I am sure they are super horses to own and drive. I say more power to the folks that can get that kind of money for an unregistered, unpedigreed, unseen embryo. I guess I am definately in the wrong breed.
                                ****************************
                                \"Just when I thought I was out ,They pull me back in!\"
                                -Sylvio Dante--\"The Sopranos\"

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                                • Now wait just a minute I have to pick on some other breeds for just a bit.. I agree that major marketing is involved, but other breeds are not "in the clear" in the marketing scheme. Come on now, in this country, at least on the east coast, all you hear is "TB TB TB", and more recently "imported warmbood",etc. It hasn't been so long since Warmbloods became all the rage..

                                  A lot of TB's, even registered ex-racers, have bad conformation. They can be insane, nervous, accident prone, and sometimes dangerous. But-despite this, everyone is proud to say that they have one. That's marketing right there

                                  Warmbloods aren't always that great either. Everyone gets these big horses and then realizes "they're too much horse" A petitie person riding a 17.2 hh warmblood doesn't always work out. Someone recently told me there was a glut of warmbloods at the Timonium (MD) sales because they're all the rage but too much horse for many.

                                  I have seen so many people who would have been much happier with a "cob"-gypsy, spotted, imported, or otherwise, than one of these annoying high-stung horses. (Ah, I'm going to get flamed by the TB people-please don't take offense!) I personally want a Standardbred or draft cross as my next horse because I'm so sick of TB highjinks.

                                  And as a disclaimer, I don't hate TB's or Warmbloods. But, I do think they've exploded in this country due to marketing, and the fact that people feel like they NEED one. And let's face it, many imported horse have a high price tag that is probably unjustified. When you label something an "imported german warmblood", you're looking at big bucks..

                                  P.S.-Someone mentioned the horse treats w/ the Vanner on them ("New treats inspired by a new breed...")-and I do think that is ridiculous! I cracked up when I saw them

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                                  • Natty,

                                    Like I said on the other forum, every breed has to start somewhere. These horses do have backgrounds. Not as long as a Thoroughbred or Warmblood, but so what? I would certainly not pay $20,000 for one, but you can get them cheaper than that. They have been bred for their temperaments. I am sure it has something to do with the pony/draft blood, but it also has to do with the fact that an unruly horse has no place with a Gypsy family.

                                    They are not spotted drafts.

                                    http://www.nasdha.net/stallions_stud_colts.htm

                                    This is the Spotted Draft Horse registry. Not ONE has the type of feather (most don't even have feather!) typical of a Gypsy horse. Nor the manes or tails. And I bet not the temperament either. Most seem to be draft/paint cross.

                                    Now compare those horses to these.

                                    http://www.gypsydrumhorses.com/stallions.htm

                                    The first is a Drum horse. He looks more drafty than Slainte, the Gypsy Cob. But he is still not a Spotted Draft horse.

                                    Jennifer K

                                    My filly:
                                    http://www.angelfire.com/stars/sweet...s/aaralyn.html
                                    Jennifer

                                    My filly:
                                    http://www.angelfire.com/rings/dtfhustlersgold

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                                    • How disappointing to see that I know some of the people posting on this topic, yet they have never bothered to come see my horses in person, or ask me (someone who owns them) questions to better educate themselves about the breed!

                                      There is no way I could answer all 5,000 posts on this topic, but as someone who actually owns GVs and isn't just making blind speculations, I'd like to share a few thoughts.

                                      As far as the advertising/marketing campaign goes...can you not separate that from the horse itself? The trucks you drive, the sodas you drink, the clothing you wear...do you agree with EVERY marketing tactic that they have all used? Must you agree with the marketing to love the "product'??

                                      I love these horses because they are wonderful. They ARE "magical"...as magical as any living thing can be. The GV is a "magical breed" because of the solid temperment they have, because of the ease in training them, because they are SO versatile, and YES because of that gorgeous flowing hair and pretty color! What is it about magic that offend you all so much?

                                      The high prices on GVs reflect many things...the obvious being importation costs and price of the horse in its country of origin. Also, supply and demand drives prices. The rarity of the breed IN OUR COUNTRY coupled with the HUGE demand for them adds up to a higher priced horse. Plus the important fact that a lot of people (including ME) breeding these horses BELIEVE that they are worth their weight in gold.

                                      Yes, there are crappy examples out there with high price tags...just like in ANY breed. And there are people willing to "sucker" other people into buying them by calling them "quality." Open up your local classifieds and tell me you don't see the same being done with "AKC registered" dogs! Caveot emptor!

                                      As to them being "a dime a dozen" overseas...Do you know that QHs are often shipped from the U.S. to an overseas market who pays top dollar for them? I can buy a QH at the local auction for $100. QHs are VERY common here in Texas...I can drive 5 miles in any direction and pass whole herds of them. Many not cherished or prized by their owners and are NOT breeding quality. And I can drive by a hundred non-descript horses that LOOK like QHs to an undiscerning eye. The same is true of Irish Cobs (what they are called in their homeland) in Ireland and England. That fact doesn't make a GREAT QH or GV worth less in any country. It only means that you should pay meat prices for meat quality...and top dollar for breeding, competition, or show quality! It is your job (as the buyer) to learn to recognize the difference.

                                      I originally set out to breed Shires. I fell in love with the GV breed by accident. I did not fall in love with the NAME, or the MARKETING, I fell in love with the horses themselves. Now I own four, including a proven breeding stallion. We will buy more as we can afford the quality and type we prefer. I hope to help establish the GV as a BREED in the United States. The money is not why I'm in this...I am in it because I believe in the GV and what it has to offer people in the U.S.

                                      You can all keep your Fresians, Andalusians, Warmbloods, etc...and I don't care a whit what you pay for them! DO what you believe in, RIDE what you believe in, BREED what you believe in...but please stop professing knowledge about a breed you have NO firsthand experience with!

                                      P.S. Incidentally, SONESTA, I would hope you will not be "embarrased" to take on my stallion for further dressage training! Should I be looking for another trainer for Guinness??

                                      Laurel Eaton
                                      Magnolia Draft Horse Ranch
                                      www.texasdrafts.com

                                      *Not a member of any clique, thank you*

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                                      • magnoliadrafts, WELCOME to the wild and wacky world of COTH BB's! I loved your post, and as they say here in the "South" (since most of Kentucky considers itself more "south" than "midwest") YOU GO GIRL!

                                        "I am not afraid of storms, for I am learning to sail my ship."
                                        -Louisa May Alcott
                                        "My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world." ~ Jack Layton

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                                        • Hell, Laurel, I'm the one who posted about how EXCITED I was to be offered the opportunity to train and show him!!! I thought it was a hoot that people were talking like they were trash.

                                          Count me IN, girl! I have seen his pics. He's a doll! And we'll rub these guys nose in it later!

                                          Sonesta Farms - breeding Hanoverian, Knabstrupper and Arabian sport horses.&lt;BR&gt;
                                          "Find something you love & call it work."
                                          Visit Sonesta Farms website at www.sonestafarms.com or our FaceBook page at www.facebook.com/sonestafarms. Also showing & breeding Cavalier King Charles Spaniels.

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