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  • #81
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hobbes:
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Quote from Hitchinmygetalong:
    I'm sorry folks, but I think they are very attractive and worthy of their own breed designation. So what if some of them are "mutts" - many breeds (like the Morgan!) started out that way.
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
    You cannot draw comparisons between the RID breed and these horses! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    I'm too lazy to reread this whole thing and I almost blew up my computer AND the bulletin board when I tried a search, so please indulge my stupid question:

    What is "the RID breed"?

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    • #82
      RID = Registered Irish Draught

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      • #83
        Deltawave you are taking this waaaayyy to personal. I used the RIDSH as an example because I know who you are and you know who I am and that I own a half dozen Irish sport horses including a black & white spotted mare that wins all over Michigan. You popped onto this post in the beginning and made a very general statement about horses that fall into the Irish/Gypsy cob category which was rather coarse. I felt that maybe there was another way of looking at the situation that would not be so harsh.
        As you posted these animals have been 'considered fairly nondescript for centuries', do you mean a type of animal that has had the same characteristics for centuries? Maybe along with spotted, they are also athletic or maybe they have wonderful dispositions? Maybe they don't have an older registery because of a bias to their color that prevented them from making it to the mainstream earlier.
        I have no idea myself but I don't think anyone can say there is no validity to peoples claim that these horses may be a breed of their own. Every picture I have seen looks an aweful lot like the mare I have. The one who has a bunch of tricolor ribbons from the jumpers, dressage, and even hunter shows last year. And no, the Loughnatousa horses are obviously not a breed.

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        • #84
          Bejayzus, Oi jest lov an Oirish Harse fight!

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          • #85
            Nope, not taking it personal...you haven't, after all, said anything about MY parents!

            Truly, that is my sense of humor talking...if you only knew how crazy some of the ID people get over this stuff, though! I really think all these "new" breeds popping up are the result of canny marketing tactics and eager buyers who want a horse with some sort of "label".

            I don't know your mare, but the "Gypsy Vanner" horses I've seen (in photos only) are NOT the type of horse I'd picture jumping ANYTHING. They look like Percherons, Shires, etc. with spots. DRAFT horses.

            http://www.gypsyvannerhorse.com/king.html
            http://www.gypsyhorses.com/Horses/tyson.htm

            I'd love to see a picture of yours, however!

            If my original statement was "coarse" I don't see how it differs from the opinion of 90% of the other posters here and on the Friesian threads, etc. I haven't a thing against the horses themselves, but I'm a little suspicious of the marketing scheme. *shrug*

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            • #86
              Marketing is as marketing does, but it's no fault of the horses and happens with EVERY breed/type and discipline. As for pictures, they can be deceiving. I don't know anything about the horses you posted but mine looks just like them with a better clip & pull job. I would have passed her by shopping until I saw her ridden poorly down to a 4'6" vertical and then rolled back the other way. What is it they say - don't judge a book by its cover

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              • #87
                <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by deltawave:
                I don't know your mare, but the "Gypsy Vanner" horses I've seen (in photos only) are NOT the type of horse I'd picture jumping ANYTHING.
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                The Gypsy Vanners aren't being marketed as hunters/jumpers/sporthorses...

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                • #88
                  <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Maybe Mountain Pearl's great grammy is a tinker mare <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                  Hey, deltawave...maybe that means our fillies are worth a fortune now that they are GV crosses!!!

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                  • #89
                    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fernie fox:
                    I just had a "Brilliant" thought,we should rename all the PMU babies here.Solid Gypsy Vanners.

                    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                    Or "Breeding Stock" Gypsy Vanners...like breeding stock Paints! LOL

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                    • #90
                      Ooooh, oooh then I have TWO Breeding Stock GVs!! One unusual solid bay furball, not a speck of white! And Wyeth is an even rarer specimen with a spotted butt! Only $10,000 a piece for these extra magical youngsters. Any takers?
                      Bueller, Bueller??

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                      • #91
                        Bejayzus!

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                        • #92
                          BRILLIANT! What did one website call the flaxen chestnut with high white...some mystical name I've never heard of...there's a herd of Belgians around here who look JUST LIKE THAT--of previously unknown GV heritage, apparently!

                          Cha-CHING!

                          Since Gwen doesn't have papers (her foaling was never recorded "officially" by the farm where she was born) I've often thought of putting some "spin" on that...maybe she's a product of alien invasion? A Lunar Warmblood?

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                          • #93
                            Ah, rats! You guys sure know how to take the wind out of a poor trainer's sails. Here I was, all excited about being asked to take on in training and show a Gypsy Vanner stallion that should be arriving here in July. I was thinking we'd be mighty sharp looking out there in the dressage ring with all that hair a flying. Should I, instead, be embarrassed???

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                            • #94
                              Hey, if he can "walk the walk" (and trot the trot, etc.) then you can hold your head high. (to get around all that hair...) A good horse is a good horse--nobody's disputing THAT--we're just having a bit of fun with the "breed du jour" mentality in horse marketing.



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                              • #95
                                Aw, Sonesta, I actually think they're quite lovely to look at so don't feel embarassed! In fact, when I'm ancient and feeble and drooling on my front porch, I'd love to squint out into my fields and see those guys. Of course I'd have to hire a whole herd of staff just to keep them fluffy and magnificent looking.

                                Now, off to feed dinner to my current herd... and BTW, the price on the rare solid bay Breeding Stock Gypsy Prevannerin foal has increased to a firm $20,000 as he is obviously of Olympic sporthorse quality now too. Jumped out of his 4'6" field as I was walking down to feed breakfast this morning and ran up to me yelling all the way. Apparently I was 10 minutes late with the chow.

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                                • #96
                                  <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Bejayzus, Oi jest lov an Oirish Harse fight! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                  Hey Coreene, pass the popcorn. This is fun!

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                                  • #97
                                    Deltawave, I think Gwen would qualify as a "Youngenburg". They're the 21-st century version of the Oldenburg, and have their very own, exclusive registry with 3 horses in it currently. The premier stallion has been proven to be able to event at Novice without causing panic attacks in jump judges.
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                                    • #98
                                      The gyspies, known for hundreds of years as the quintessential horse traders, apparently still reign supreme.

                                      Of course, if they are getting the short end of the stick on this deal, that is indeed unfair.

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                                      • #99
                                        There were a few at Equine Affaire. I told DMK that they looked exactly like the ones on the side of the road in Ireland. There was one poster about "seven generations" of great horse breeding. The mule, near that particular Tinker, started to bray like mad at that moment, which was highly appropriate given that it was all I could do to keep from doing the same.

                                        I love all horses, so I'm not having a go at the tinkers / vanners / drum horses, but ... but ... Jayzus Mary an' Joseph and all that.

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                                        • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chaser:
                                          In addition to Show Cobs, there are just ... cobs - generally hairy. These are the ones I was thinking about when I said they are relatively cheap etc. Show cobs are popular, good ones are rare and they do cost more.

                                          Here are a few everyday cobs:

                                          Gallery 1: Puzzle

                                          Gallery 2: Whisky, Harley

                                          Gallery 3: Belle

                                          There may be others. I didn't go through the whole listing.

                                          http://www.saddle-up.org.uk/Gallery/...></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                          My horse's name is Puzzle and I've never heard of another named that. I can see why the Puzzle in your Gallery is so named - and mine has a sort of jigsaw-puzzle-piece-shaped star/strip combination. She's a QH and if she's "nothing but a wee cob" she sure looks nothing like one!

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