Cattle trailer full of horses overturned on I40 west of Nashville

[rcloisonne]

I'm not sure if this directed specifically to me but since you quoted me I must ask....am I not allowed to comment? Am I mistaken that some posters always use the same arguments when - say - grain vs. grass? Is there a difference?

When any accident, whether car, buggy, truck, etc. is reported in the news yes, names are published in my neck of the woods as well as the company if a truck represented one.

Well said, EL. I will never understand people who don't give a damn about the enormous suffering we inflict on those with no voice of their own through either ignorance, neglect, carelessness and/or malice.

[7HL]

How is presenting factual reports crucifying anyone? Seems you read too much drama into prior posts.

It was an accident involving horses. It's being discussed on a horse forum.

A driver falling asleep behind the wheel shortly after he left with his load, regardless of what the load contained, is subject to investigation and charges.

No conspiracy involved.

Where was the trailer going? Where was it coming from? What was the purpose and why, why, why?????

Do we really need to know?

Well said, EL. I will never understand people who don't give a damn about the enormous suffering we inflict on those with no voice of their own through either ignorance, neglect, carelessness and/or malice.

The horses were obviously abused and they were going to be abused even more.

It was a truck accident!

[Tamara in TN]

Whether it's cattle, pigs, chicken and mostly horses, their transport methods lack a lot. Pack them in as tight as possible... we ll get more in!

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umm no...there is a safety number associated with the number of head per sq feet...

too much distance to wiggle about and the animals can actually topple/shift the trailers enough to wreck them esp on curvy roads

do I advocate over packing no...but there is a safety science behind it as well

Tamara

[ajack]

Cattle trailer full of horses overturns...

Status update:
Trailer was loaded double-decker with 38 horses (it is indeed illegal to haul this way) 3 dead; 2 seriously injured...
Tennessee Highway Patrol refused assistance from DART trained teams and local rescues... surviving horses were removed from the Dickson stockyards later that same night and re-loaded to continue their tip south to slaughter.

the owner of record, three angels... is a slaughter buyer and NOT a rescue. If they are representing themselve as such then there will be issues...

the driver is likely to face charges but not the owners... with no horses there is no evidence... part of the reason they moved them so quickly... even before rescues could get involved.

signed, a local who tried to help.

[7HL]

Status update:
Trailer was loaded double-decker with 38 horses (it is indeed illegal to haul this way) 3 dead; 2 seriously injured...
Tennessee Highway Patrol refused assistance from DART trained teams and local rescues... surviving horses were removed from the Dickson stockyards later that same night and re-loaded to continue their tip south to slaughter.

the owner of record, three angels... is a slaughter buyer and NOT a rescue. If they are representing themselve as such then there will be issues...

the driver is likely to face charges but not the owners... with no horses there is no evidence... part of the reason they moved them so quickly... even before rescues could get involved.

signed, a local who tried to help.

Where did you get your info? News Organization? Police? or Animal Rights / Anti Slaughter Group?

The fact that you are a regular poster I am sure all of us take you at your word.

So now its on the Internet and it must be true!

[Tamara in TN]

the driver is likely to face charges but not the owners... with no horses there is no evidence... part of the reason they moved them so quickly... even before rescues could get involved.

signed, a local who tried to help.

ummm...first off :the guy's a dillweed for using the double truck.

but why the HELL would a rescue have any business at the wreck?

the living and the dead are still the personal property of their owner...they have not been surrendered or seized...correct?

or do you just get to "he'p yourself" at a wreck to the livestock??

ETA : "Look!!! there's some loose sheep GRAB 'EM!!!!!!!!!"

Tamara

[7HL]

Over the phone Tuesday, owner Dorian Ayache told Nashville's News 2 media reports that the horses were being transported to a slaughterhouse in Texas are untrue.
He said the horses were on their way to a range in Oklahoma where they were to be prepped to be sold to horse owners.
Ayache said the horses are dirty but in good health. He said they are back on his farm, located at 151 Mill Road in Lebanon, but refused to grant News 2 access to the property.
Additionally, Ayache said he and his wife have been in the horse business for 25 years and are devastated by what happened.

http://www.wkrn.com/story/16531100/o...ctions-of-i-40

The Tennessee Department of Agriculture said Tuesday it was first notified of the accident minutes after it was reported, and received a formal request for assistance from the Tennessee Emergency Management Agency a few minutes later.
Spokesperson Casey Mahoney said local veterinarians Dr. Monty McInturff and Dr. Danny Haber responded to the scene and off-loaded the animals with the assistance of state animal health technicians.

[7HL]

Maybe the recent ARA needs to get their propaganda and misinformation straight.

[katyb]

Well, DART is not a rescue but a disaster assistance group that helps in emergencies. It does seem like well trained horse people could have been of assistance. From what I heard, they didn't start unloading the trailer for four hours. Having more handlers on site might have been helpful.

In this state (TN), the names of drivers in all accidents are released, and if the accident is newsworthy, then that information is included in the news story. I don't see anything odd about that.

I hope that any DOT violations are dealt with appropriately. Falling asleep while driving is dangerous. For a professional driver, it had better be the end of his career. Time driving is strictly regulated.

[luvmytbs]

ummm...first off :the guy's a dillweed for using the double truck.

but why the HELL would a rescue have any business at the wreck?

the living and the dead are still the personal property of their owner...they have not been surrendered or seized...correct?

or do you just get to "he'p yourself" at a wreck to the livestock??

Tamara

Tamara,

rescues and/or trained teams like DART often do assist in cases of such accidents. Local law enforcement, A/C and other entities do not have the training or equipment (halters, panels etc) to undertake the operation of removal of livestock.

Their involvement does not indicate they were helping themselves to horses.

We should be thanking those who got on the scene to assist the animals.

[7HL]

Tamara,

rescues and/or trained teams like DART often do assist in cases of such accidents. Local law enforcement, A/C and other entities do not have the training or equipment (halters, panels etc) to undertake the operation of removal of livestock.

Their involvement does not indicate they were helping themselves to horses.

We should be thanking those who got on the scene to assist the animals.

OK we're now going to argue who should have helped?

Tennessee Emergency Management Agency was the one to make those decisions.

The Tennessee Department of Agriculture said Tuesday it was first notified of the accident minutes after it was reported, and received a formal request for assistance from the Tennessee Emergency Management Agency a few minutes later.
Spokesperson Casey Mahoney said local veterinarians Dr. Monty McInturff and Dr. Danny Haber responded to the scene and off-loaded the animals with the assistance of state animal health technicians.

http://www.wkrn.com/story/16531100/o...ctions-of-i-40

[Tamara in TN]

Tamara,
rescues and/or trained teams like DART often do assist in cases of such accidents. Local law enforcement, A/C and other entities do not have the training or equipment (halters, panels etc) to undertake the operation of removal of livestock.
Their involvement does not indicate they were helping themselves to horses.
We should be thanking those who got on the scene to assist the animals.

we saw from the TEMA that there were Vets on hand to assist...even the $1 million dollar liability policy (required by TN law for all semi trucks) is not going to protect you from do gooders suing you when they get hurt...$1M just don't go as far as it should anymore.

Tamara

[equinelaundry]

http://www.wkrn.com/story/16531100/o...ctions-of-i-40

This dragged me away from that legal brief I'm working on because didn't you JUST say (at 1:16 to be precise) that it was silly to rely on news organization info YET less than 10 min. later (1:24 to be precise) post info from a...wait for it....news organization? You can't stay away from it either 'eh? (sorry to be snarky but when some act as a grade-school child one must be called out on it occasionally.)

I'm glad no people, the driver AND those innocent people on the road with him, were not seriously hurt.

[7HL]

This dragged me away from that legal brief I'm working on because didn't you JUST say (at 1:16 to be precise) that it was silly to rely on news organization info YET less than 10 min. later (1:24 to be precise) post info from a...wait for it....news organization? You can't stay away from it either 'eh? (sorry to be snarky but when some act as a grade-school child one must be called out on it occasionally.)

I'm glad no people, the driver AND those innocent people on the road with him, were not seriously hurt.

As for staying away...have family and friends in TN.

Also familiar with SART & CART teams.

What??? never said silly to rely on News Organization. I was questioning ajack, the recent ARA addition to COTH and the spreading of propaganda.

Where did you get your info? News Organization? Police? or Animal Rights / Anti Slaughter Group?

[Angela Freda]

we saw from the TEMA that there were Vets on hand to assist...even the $1 million dollar liability policy (required by TN law for all semi trucks) is not going to protect you from do gooders suing you when they get hurt...$1M just don't go as far as it should anymore.

Tamara

Some of these teams, specially trained to manage many species of animals in situations like this one and not just horses, also carry their own insurance to cover the volunteers who go through the training and are available to help when the time comes.
Again not so they can 'help themselves' to horses, but because they want to help if they are needed, much like volunteer ambulance and other rescue teams do.

This is not to argue who should have helped, luckily they had all the help they needed in this case, but to clarify your obvious misunderstanding of how these teams are assembled and function.

[luvmytbs]

Just looked at a picture taken after the trailer was back on its wheels, it was not a double decker.

And as to the owner's claim of where these horses were going? I wouldn't put too much into what he said to the media; the horses had yellow tags on them. Could not identify whether they were auction tags or barcoded slaughter tags.

[catosis]

This is really sad news. Thank you for sharing, OP. I am sorry that the discussion on this thread has degenerated to petty bickering.

[Alagirl]

Just looked at a picture taken after the trailer was back on its wheels, it was not a double decker.

Ah, bummer....

And as to the owner's claim of where these horses were going? I wouldn't put too much into what he said to the media; the horses had yellow tags on them. Could not identify whether they were auction tags or barcoded slaughter tags.

Well, seems there is not stake to put into what the media said, all around.

Frankly, it's nobody's business where the horses were headed. The farm owns them. That's all that's to it.

BTW, larger farms are also known to have barcodes on their stock not destined for slaughter. It's a very good way to keep track of individuals and, with the right setup, to feed them individually within a herd environment with minimal manpower.

[Neely]

For what it's worth, jumping all over someone who doesn't think just as you do, implying that they are stupid, ignorant, or radical, doesn't make your argument look stronger. It makes you look ignorant and radical yourself. No one asked me, but the hostility of a few of you on this topic really stuns me. It seems to me that the best response to (so-called) radicalism would be reason, not rantings. Not everyone concerned with the welfare of the animals in a given situation is out to spread RARA propaganda, and those that are will only feed off of your hostility. If you want people to know where you are coming from and learn from the infinite wisdom you seem to think you have, maybe try using some intelligent conversation.

[luvmytbs]

Frankly, it's nobody's business where the horses were headed. The farm owns them. That's all that's to it.

Absolutely correct. But by him answering the media's question, he is now on record for where he claims the horses were going.

BTW, larger farms are also known to have barcodes on their stock not destined for slaughter. It's a very good way to keep track of individuals and, with the right setup, to feed them individually within a herd environment with minimal manpower.

The tags I was referring to are sticky tags used at auctions or for transport to slaughter, nothing to do with on farm tagging.