Cattle trailer full of horses overturned on I40 west of Nashville

[7HL]

And all we hear from the pro side is 'build the plants, we'll make sure it's humane, regulated, and those regulations enforced'.

I have no problem in building more plants... put them near auctions and cut the transportation distance down.

Yet when presented with a dude who has clearly broken regulations [this time or in the past, per the media, the Highway Patrol, and online records re: inspections] all we hear is 'stop pickling on this little guy, it's none of your business'.

I say be fair, pick on everyone that has an accident. If it is "fair" for one should be fair for all. Publish, Accidents, DUIs, Speeding etc along with where they are employed, and their home address as done in the news reports about this accident. Watch the public outcry if that was done.

That's what makes their promises to make new plants humane and regulations enforced sound hollow.

Lots less hollow then those that say stop with NO plan.

[7HL]

http://www.aphis.usda.gov/animal_hea...ransport.shtml

from the above

Phase out two-tier trailers.

Doesn't say eliminate or ban.

[Tamara in TN]

Horses are livestock! They have no rights. They were as other animals put on this earth for humans to use.

ummm...(non Christian believing folk look away now...fair warning)

Proverbs 12:10
"A righteous man regards the life of his beasts but the wicked man's' heart is ruthless" (also translated "but the tender mercies of the wicked are cruelties")

that is my favorite passage and I do try to live it every day....

while Genesis gives us "dominion over all the beasts" Proverbs 12:10 gives a humane safeguard to them...they have the "right" to consideration and proper care even in Biblical terms.

Tamara

[Alagirl]

Maybe it was a concpiracy by the ARAs. An ARA terrorist put something in the drivers coffee to get him to fall asleep. Now they have the perfect PR event.

well, the public does not have to know where the cargo is headed, unless the public owns the cargo (or it's illegal drugs)

Of course, you could have just been cynical....

[WildBlue]

I'm lost in all this - was it or was it not a double decker, looking at at he photos posted of a DD trailer. How does one get all those horses in?

Polo ponies are shipped packed close together - but moderately packed is safer than too many loose horses...and they are valuable.

I have a 16-foot stock trailer and have short-hauled 6 polo ponies in it, tied nose-to-tail so they stacked better sideways. I wasn't able to shut the dividing gate. I know of people who've hauled 7 in the same size trailer, but I'm not sure how they shoehorned the last one in (I'm sure a ramp would help). IME, hauling 5 gives them enough room to plant their feet without stepping on a neighbor. The 'ponies' in question are between 14.3 and 15.3 hh.

[Foxtrot's]

To continue Tamara's theme - where abuse of animals occurs, there is abuse elsewhere in that person's life. Proven time and time again. Respect for all life.

[sunridge1]

Agreed!.

I am not against slaughter. All I hear from the anti crowd is to stop slaughter, with NO plan on what to do with the excess horses.

Horses are livestock! They have no rights. They were as other animals put on this earth for humans to use.

Just saying those that want to SAVE, have at it. Buy the horses and take care of them.

The answer usually is we need to stop breeding horses. Who is going to decide who doesn't get to breed?

This explains a lot.

[7HL]

ummm...(non Christian believing folk look away now...fair warning)

Proverbs 12:10
"A righteous man regards the life of his beasts but the wicked man's' heart is ruthless" (also translated "but the tender mercies of the wicked are cruelties")

that is my favorite passage and I do try to live it every day....

while Genesis gives us "dominion over all the beasts" Proverbs 12:10 gives a humane safeguard to them...they have the "right" to consideration and proper care even in Biblical terms.

Tamara

My personal favorite now. Wording slightly different depending on the source...


"Take heed that ye do not your righteousness before men, to be seen of them: else ye have no reward with your Father which is in heaven." Matthew 6:1

[Alagirl]

Y'all are going to draw western into this if you keep it up!

[luvmytbs]

Third: Was he following the humane transportation laws? Do you even know what they are? I have repeatedly and earnestly asked on this thread what the laws he possibly broke relating to slaughter are, yet no one has answered.

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2011...2011-22762.htm

[Tamara in TN]

My personal favorite now. Wording slightly different depending on the source...


"Take heed that ye do not your righteousness before men, to be seen of them: else ye have no reward with your Father which is in heaven." Matthew 6:1

I hardly consider giving consideration to your animals as being "seen of men", as for most people no one ever sees how they keep their stock until or unless they make the news being near death...no ?

while it's a nice way to twist the passage, it hardly matches the grand public parades of upper crust piety He was referring to...

Tamara

[katyb]

Because of people like you who think it's their business to know other people's business.

As I said, if the horses were on their way to the moon, it would be just the same, or Santa Anita or Calgary.

The discussion is asinine.
It was a horrible accident.
It would have been bad enough it the truck had held a million rolls of toilet paper, not life cargo.

Now go back and re-read the 'discussion': It's a DD - which it 's clearly not.
It's overloaded - which can clearly be seen from a few news photos? How so?
The Driver is evil - I am sure he must be, holding on to a job, evil man, hauling horses....
The owner of the farm is a scumbag - well, he might be, but not because he is dealing in low end horses.
They lied - hell, I would too. Because my business is mine. Hauling horses to Texas is not illegal. Hauling them across the border isn't either. It's not even morally reprehensible. Now, if you believe the rumors that he has a hand in the deplorable conditions in Texas, that's a different story. Not related to an overturned truck. But we love to muddle the waters here, don't we.
And good grief, of course he don't want to tell the media about any involvement with the Texas stuff. Aside from the fact that legal council probably told him to zip it, the media hardly ever gets it right these days anymore.
Which brings us back to the beginning of the story:
The driver may or may not have fallen asleep.

And here is pretty much where the HR ends: The driver will in all likelihood see a laundry list of charges brought against him, all in relation to the traffic rules he violated by wrecking his rig.
I am pretty sure they will also reconstruct the weight of said rig, since the authorities frown big time on overloaded trucks on the road.

You really don't have any rights to privacy if you are transporting commercially. You have a log book, and you have to note every item you carry, where and when it is picked up an dropped off, when you stop, when you're going, when you sleep. It's all a matter of public record. If my husband can keep these records on boats, and is regularly stopped and questioned regarding that cargo, why not with horses? It's a part of the job, and if my husband lies, he is shut down. Why not this guy? This is an AR issue, it's a legal issue.

[7HL]

Horses are livestock! They have no rights. They were as other animals put on this earth for humans to use.

This explains a lot.

No one feels sorry for the chickens on the Tyson Chicken trucks/tailers hauling hundred of crates jammed full of chickens speeding down the roads around me. Feathers flying everywhere, on their way to becomming McNuggets.

People and other animals eat horse meat. Horses are used more then just to ride. They are the tractors on many farms. They are a 16 year olds "hot rod" buggy. Those of us that choose to own horses to ride do not have exclusive domain over horses. We do not have the right or should we to tell others how to use them.

[Tamara in TN]

No one feels sorry for the chickens on the Tyson Chicken trucks/trailers hauling hundred of crates jammed full of chickens speeding down the roads around me. Feathers flying everywhere, on their way to becoming McNuggets.

Tyson or Koch or whomever,yes I do feel for them...same as cattle or pigs or anything else...

Tamara

[subk]

http://www.aphis.usda.gov/animal_hea...ransport.shtml

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2011...2011-22762.htm

All you can do is send me wandering around the internet with a link? I'm really not interested in spending the next hour or so trying to figure out what you obviously don't know since you can't seem to boil it down to salient points.

Is 38 horses on a trailer against the law/regulation or not? Y'all are the one crusifying this guy shouldn't you know?

[Alagirl]

You really don't have any rights to privacy if you are transporting commercially. You have a log book, and you have to note every item you carry, where and when it is picked up an dropped off, when you stop, when you're going, when you sleep. It's all a matter of public record. If my husband can keep these records on boats, and is regularly stopped and questioned regarding that cargo, why not with horses? It's a part of the job, and if my husband lies, he is shut down. Why not this guy? This is an AR issue, it's a legal issue.

ah, sigh...
It does not MATTER what he has or where he is headed.
Not past of what a state trooper needs to know.

At least not in the context of the accident.

Chickens or widgets. Horses or toilet paper.

Texas or Oklahoma. Or the Moon.

Yeah, public record, needed for estimation of road projects, emergency response units....

[bayou_bengal]

If those that want to make this a slaughter thread want to save the horses from slaughter, buy the horses and take care of them.

Maybe HSUS should start buying horses meant for slaughter and start taking care of them.

<Like> Well said- Millions spent for PR and advertising and big paychecks for HSUS executives SHOULD instead be spent on actually saving and caring for animals- including horses.

[sunridge1]

No one feels sorry for the chickens on the Tyson Chicken trucks/tailers hauling hundred of crates jammed full of chickens speeding down the roads around me. Feathers flying everywhere, on their way to becomming McNuggets.

People and other animals eat horse meat. Horses are used more then just to ride. They are the tractors on many farms. They are a 16 year olds "hot rod" buggy. Those of us that choose to own horses to ride do not have exclusive domain over horses. We do not have the right or should we to tell others how to use them.

No different than the first Europeans thinking God gave America to THEM. Hereby giving themselves permission to exterminate the Natives. Funny...people have not evolved in 600 years.

[carolprudm]

Supply and demand

What is your point? Mankind has been eating horses since, well since there were horses I assume.

You and I may find it disgusting, but lots of people don't. If they are processing horses per regulations, then I really can't and won't complain about it. If they are not, I am right there with you objecting.

Simply that without demand there would be no slaughterhouses. The number of horses is irrelevant to the demand. Fewer horses(supply) would only mean horsemeat would become more expensive.

Only if the cost became more than the consumer wanted to pay would the consumption of horsemeat end

No one would be hauling horses TN-TX just to kill them if there was no demand and they were'nt going to compensated

[Cielo Azure]

No different than the first Europeans thinking God gave America to THEM. Hereby giving themselves permission to exterminate the Natives. Funny...people have not evolved in 600 years.

I would slightly modify that to: "Funny...SOME people have not evolved in 600 years."