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  • #61
    I watchd most of the OP's video embedded in her blog - I assume it is the OP herself.

    She looks nicely balanced and is not hanging on her horse's mouth for support, has a lovely position and doesn't bang around on his spine. For what it's worth - and to the horse, it's worth quite a lot.


    • #62
      Originally posted by candyappy View Post
      Sorry, no.
      [edit] one of the best riders I know is fat. Yup, I'll say it too. She's fat. And she is soft, quiet, can ride anything around like a hunter, doesn't see a bad spot and can take almost anything around at 3'6". She can ride my horses any day of the week. She's balanced, the horses don't mind.
      Last edited by Moderator 1; Jan. 12, 2012, 08:10 AM.


      • #63
        There's fat and there's obese. I don't care if you just smashed your pet hamster and you have a list of diseases and ailments as long as my arm, some people are TOO BIG FOR DA PONY.

        Am I allowed to say that if I tell you I'm a size 14, weighing about 175? Am I fat enough to say if I double or triple or quadruple my size at SOME point I'm going to be too big for some horses, and at some point...ALL horses? What's the bare minimum chunkage before your opinion is valid?

        And I've been married forever. I'm not sleeping with anybody


        • #64
          There are obviously some folks who are just too big to ride. Those for whom walking and breathing at the same time are tough, don't belong on a horse.

          I'm a pudgster myself, but I get plenty of exercise and try to eat right. Mentalpause has NOT been my friend!

          I think there's a world of difference between being fat and morbidly obese.
          Homeopathy claims water can cure you since it once held medicine. That's like saying you can get sustenance from an empty plate because it once held food.


          • #65
            There's fat and there's obese.

            I'm obese. My BMI is 32.


            I better stop riding!

            He is total garbage! Quick! Hide him on my trailer (Petstorejunkie).


            • #66
              Both of the videos in the OP's link show riders who are too heavy.

              The first video linked is the well known one of the obese woman who cannot mount a horse from a truck bed due to her massive obesity. The blogger states the only issue with this woman is she needs to get a little stronger and find a bigger horse. Not that she needs to lose weight, despite the fact that she's morbidly obese.

              The second video shows another obese rider on a large horse and is called absolutely acceptable. The video just shows the horse walking with the rider in an indoor. At a walk, the weight/type of rider is one other videos showing the horse cantering and trotting show a completely different picture. The horse start raising his head, hollowing his back and paddling on corners. All obvious signs of being uncomfortable with the weight/movement on his back.

              The rider shows decent riding ability and obviously loves her horse very much. The horse is obviously uncomfortable though. The weight/type of weight is a detriment to the horse. While the rider can control her riding, she cannot control the majority of her mass. The constant movement that's moving at odds with the horse's balance is not a good thing for the horse.

              Yes, riders can be too heavy to ride.

              No, riders do not have to be aesthetically pleasing in weight. Sometimes riders that others think are too "fat to ride" aren't that at all.

              But sometimes they are too heavy/out of shape to least to ride in a safe and healthy manner for the horse and the rider. And many times the rider will never ever notice or acknowledge the issues the horse will show and will all use the same excuses:
              he was fresh that day!
              the bit was bothering him!
              The saddle didn't fit!
              My trainer never said anything!
              I asked and my trainer said we were fine!
              At least when I'm riding I'm exercising! Don't upset me so I stop!
              (horses aren't exercise equipment)

              Newsflash: if you can't post the obvious online to anonymous people without ever singling a single person out and tons of people get extremely defensive, angry, upset...trainers often will either avoid the drama or just keep collecting the income.

              Why are there repeated threads about this subject? Same reason almost every thread gets repeated on here all the time:
              It's still an issue and people love certain dramatic subjects.
              You jump in the saddle,
              Hold onto the bridle!
              Jump in the line!


              • #67
                Originally posted by katarine View Post
                some people are TOO BIG FOR DA PONY.
                But if you express that point of view in general terms here, it's "sad."
                "... if you think i'm MAD, today, of all days,
                the best day in ten years,
                you are SORELY MISTAKEN, MY LITTLE ANCHOVY."


                • #68
                  I watch various size riders a lot at shows, our barn, etc. Though for years I yearned for the "Long and lean" look, it became clearly obvious to me that it will never happen unless one starts w/ the LONG part. I'm 5'3" and nothing about me will EVER be LONG. And in fact it may be getting shorter by the day, now that I'm "older". And due mostly to genes, I have some curves that I could live w/out, but at this point I do the best I can w/ what I've got...


                  • #69
                    Originally posted by paulaedwina View Post
                    There's fat and there's obese.

                    I'm obese. My BMI is 32.


                    I better stop riding!

                    First off, I think the BMI system isn't a great way to measure if you're obese or not. I know when I was a competitive swimmer I was considered overweight due to the sheer amount of muscle mass I had on my body. I was 5'8" weighing 175. I think getting a body fat test would be a better indicator of if you're obese/overweight or not. And a good body fat test, like the immersion ones, that can accurately measure what percentage of your body is pure fat, versus what is skeletal/muscle.

                    As for the too fat to ride...yes, I agree that there is a certain weight where you probably shouldn't ride no matter how stout the horse is, especially if you're participating in more athletic equine endeavors like jumping. And I say this as a person who has pretty much struggled with weight my whole life and know there is a MARKED difference between riding when I'm lighter, and riding when I'm overweight.


                    • #70
                      A horse of even moderate size can carry extreme weight (maybe up to 300 lbs) provided it is
                      a. balanced over the spine
                      b. does not move to disturb the horse as he moves
                      (think toddler on your shoulders throwing themselves around)

                      if these conditions are lacking then the horse will suffer for it

                      Production Acres,Pro A Welsh Cobs
                      I am one of the last 210,000 remaining full time farmers in America.We feed the others.


                      • #71
                        A friend and I were talking about the obesity epidemic in this country and the one part of it that is not addressed: cost.

                        The fresh, whole foods that are part of a healthy lifestyle cost a LOT. Many people would like to eat healthier, less fattening foods, but simply cannot afford it.

                        For example, I'd like the eat a spinach salad for lunch every day. But for enough for two salads, it costs $2.50 for a bag of fresh spinach, another dollar for a tomato, another for an onion, $1.50 for a green pepper, and $2.50 for a bottle of dressing. Add another couple of dollars if you want a few croutons on top Granted, the onion, croutons, and dressing will last longer, but that's roughly $10 for two salads. A can of soup or spaghetti in tomato sauce is $1.50 and also lasts two days. It would be nice to be able to spend the $10, but the dollar fifty is a lot closer to reality for many people.

                        And the list goes on. A jar of tomato sauce costs less than making it from scratch. White bread and pasta are far cheaper than whole grain. Want organic? Add the $$. A family of four can get a whole meal from a box of Kraft Dinner, a pack of hot dogs, and a can of green beans for about $4. I'm sure most people would love to have fresh meat, whole grain side dishes, and fresh vegetables, but the reality is that many can't afford that choice.

                        Not saying this is the case with riders as much as the population in general(lately it is for me; the savings between the $.75 lunch and the $5 lunch add up quickly and pay for things like shoes and supplements. I will go without before my horse does), but I think it's a HUGE factor in the issue as a whole, and the one that people are the least willing to address.

                        My point is, it's not always about being unwilling to adopt a healthier lifestyle, it's about being unable to do so for reasons that have nothing to do with a medical condition.


                        • #72
                          Mistyblue, I like your post. You approach the topic at hand as well as the videos which are in the article that the OP references in a logical, non-emotional manner.

                          Who among those responding here watched the videos referenced in the original article the OP provides a link to? Comments?


                          • Original Poster

                            No I am not as talented as the as blogger. But I can mount my horse a little better than the rider in the first video. Yes I would also like to lose weight and riding motivates me.


                            • #74
                              Originally posted by Tamara in TN View Post
                              it IS heartbreaking...she is a beautiful person physically and inside herself and she just sees "fat" because she is so tall...

                              she did get a happy boost when we went skiing with my baby sister and she was taller than her Tante was like "wow I am being a grown up" and she asked why the Christmas tree was so much shorter...I said "Silly you are 4 inches taller"

                              so the horses are the equalizers for her...

                              That was me too - I stopped at 5'10", but that was at age 12. My son, who is 12, is about 6'1" now, and his girlfriend is at least 5'8". Your daughter should come riding with us; she'd feel downright normal in this crowd. With me, my friends were all so short, I felt like the social life of 7th grade was all occuring about a foot below me.


                              • #75
                                Originally posted by quietann View Post
                                140 pounds is just horrifying, isn't it!
                                Yeah - you probably can't fit through the doorway! I'm at 155 (yikes!), but that's pretty darn good for me. It also puts me in the "overweight" range, as my BMI is 25.8. Whatever - my bodyfat is 22%. Just to prove you can't base it all on the numbers from a scale. Evil things anyway....
                                Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway. John Wayne


                                • #76
                                  Originally posted by Carolinadreamin' View Post
                                  Mistyblue, I like your post. You approach the topic at hand as well as the videos which are in the article that the OP references in a logical, non-emotional manner.

                                  Who among those responding here watched the videos referenced in the original article the OP provides a link to? Comments?
                                  I did.The second one anyway.The first was self explanatory.

                                  it took me to about the 5 min mark to realize she was asking him to do leg yields (or something)...he looked ok at the walk but I did not get the hands out to her hips...the trot showed a horse not exactly happy about his job...but the vid was not the best for reviewing...

                                  I did want to know more about the Boxing Day Blowout Sale however...

                                  Production Acres,Pro A Welsh Cobs
                                  I am one of the last 210,000 remaining full time farmers in America.We feed the others.


                                  • #77
                                    Originally posted by candyappy View Post
                                    Sorry, no.
                                    I'm not sure what you are saying no too? It is proven that a person's environment and many factors like heredity come into play in regards to a person's health. There are major factors that do also inlfuence communities as well which are socio-economic in nature and can therefore be seen as a problem within a race or group of people.

                                    And as far as sexuality, people are born with sexual preference, obviously as as person grows this develops, into adult sexuality but people do not just choose to be gay or straight.

                                    So again not sure what you are saying "Sorry no" too.
                                    "All life is precious"
                                    Sophie Scholl


                                    • #78
                                      Originally posted by Moesha View Post
                                      While the lifestyles we lead both by choice and not do effect our health, a person's sexual orientation is like race, people are born with their sexual identities.
                                      Of course they are. And how sad to discover that, in 2012, there are still people who think otherwise.


                                      • #79
                                        Originally posted by LexInVA View Post
                                        Yes, many people do "choose" to be fat but it's not a simple matter of choice like electronic voting is. It's choice after choice after choice in how they live that makes those people overweight and unhealthy. Nobody shoved five Fraps a week down their throats or made them eat McDonalds on a regular basis with a gun held to their head.
                                        You have no fr19^%$# clue

                                        I can't find the reference but I saw the results of a survey the Biggest Loser did. Many of the people who became fat as adults got that way because they spent their effort and attention on their family and not on themselves.

                                        That is the reason I got fat, all it takes is a few pounds a year, year after year. Should I have taken better care of myself??? Well, yeah, but I was to darn busy taking care of everybody else.
                                        Three children and a brain damaged mom....most days my goal was to have everybody reasonably happy and healthy by the end of the day. And no it wasn't junk food, it was STRESS and a lack of exercise.

                                        I've lost 30 lbs and have 30 to go but I'm not going to apologise to you or anyone else about my riding
                                        I wasn't always a Smurf
                                        Penmerryl's Sophie RIDSH
                                        "I ain't as good as I once was but I'm as good once as I ever was"
                                        The ignore list is my friend. It takes 2 to argue.


                                        • #80
                                          WOW! What a telling thread this is. As in identifying posters who have obvious serious discrimination problems - in many areas. How sad for them, & how glad I am to be able to identify them for future avoidance.