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  • I like your review J. Turner, because its a review from a horse-person's perspective. And that we won't get from any regular movie critic. I agree with you totally about Maguire playing Red Pollard.

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    • malarkey - Thank you for the compliment!

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      • I saw it on a big screen and really enjoyed it. I wasn't expecting the match race so soon. In the book, Seabiscuit's first trip east didn't result in a match up with War Admiral.

        The couple sitting next to me had visited Seabiscuit's grave in California just a couple of weeks before. They said it is in a former logging town that had fallen on hard times but is enjoying a renaissance from Seabiscuit.

        I noticed on the Washington DC Channel 4 this morning that their movie critic gave 4 stars (his top rating) to only Seabiscuit.

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        • Film star I Two Step Too retires to Kentucky Horse Park

          Thoroughbred Times
          8/9/2003 6:59:00 PM ET

          I Two Step Too, one of the nine horses used to portray Seabiscuit in the Universal Studies film by that name, has been purchased by the Kentucky Horse Park Foundation in Lexington.

          The ten-year-old gelding arrived at the Horse Park on July 31, and appears twice daily in the park’s the Parade of Breeds presentation.

          "The Kentucky Horse Park is such a natural home for a Hollywood star such as I Two Step Too," said Lulu Davis, Kentucky Horse Park Foundation board member. "I am glad that I was able to head up the effort to ensure the park would become his permanent home."

          The British Columbia-bred son of Spook Dance finished second in a race for $2,000 claimers at the Mohave County Fair in Arizona on May 11, concluding a seven-year career in which he won seven races and placed 26 times in 53 starts at nine different track around the nation while earning $24,538.

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          • The couple sitting next to me had visited Seabiscuit's grave in California just a couple of weeks before. They said it is in a former logging town that had fallen on hard times but is enjoying a renaissance from Seabiscuit.>>>>>
            Question about this? I thought that the Biscuit was buried under an oak at Ridgecrest that was only known to Howard's sons.

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            • yep, that's what I thought too. Are Howard's sons still alive? Where are they? Is there anyone living up by what used to be Ridgewood (I thought it was Ridgewood, no?) who was around during those times?

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              • This news story - with one of the worst headlines I've seen - is no longer available, rather I cut and pasted off from the google cache:

                July 20, 2003

                Dead Racehorse Revives Dying Town

                Seabiscuit's retirement community is happy to cash in on its 15 minutes of fame, brought about by a book and new movie.

                By Rone Tempest, LA Times Staff Writer

                WILLITS, Calif. — The local newspaper headline seemed a little alarmist: "Seabiscuit Fever Grips City."

                But here in the state's economically depressed northern hill country, the heat of attention can be a good thing.

                Mostly abandoned by the timber industry, forsaken by the railroads and ignored by tourists who speed through town on U.S. Highway 101, Willits is hoping to cash in on America's revived love affair with a dead horse.

                The famous thoroughbred, Seabiscuit, spent his final years in stud on a nearby ranch and was buried there after his death in 1947.

                This connection won Willits the right Saturday to host the "hometown" premiere of the Universal film, starring Tobey Maguire and Jeff Bridges, based on the best-selling book "Seabiscuit — An American Legend" by Laura Hillenbrand. The much-promoted film will make its debut nationally Friday.

                "Anything that will get people to town is a good thing," said head-shop proprietor Dave Schnur, 33. Schnur, whose store includes a tattoo and body piercing parlor, admits he knows almost nothing about the gutsy stallion who defeated War Admiral in a match race and recovered from serious injury to win the 1940 Santa Anita Handicap while a nation listened on the radio.

                But Schnur and other businessmen along the downtrodden main drag here see economic opportunity in the people bearing $75 tickets, who stood in lines stretching more than a block in front of the Art Deco-era Noyo Theater on Commercial Street, temporarily renamed Seabiscuit Drive by the mayor.

                Ron Moorhead, a freelance automotive writer who serves on the Willits Chamber of Commerce, said the attention could not come at a better time.

                "The logging and fishing industries went away," said Moorhead, who has been interviewed in recent days by several national newspapers and networks. "Seabiscuit has brought interest, spirit and pride to the town again."

                Several local stores now offer Seabiscuit souvenirs, including pins ($6), mugs ($48), totes ($10) and aprons ($20). Local artists have adopted Seabiscuit themes. Two local vintners offer Seabiscuit labels on their merlots and chardonnays. The town feed store recently had a promotion offering Seabiscuit caps and T-shirts to those who purchased two tubes of equine worm medicine.

                Two hours north of San Francisco, Willits is home to about 5,000 people. There are a few remaining horse ranches, one working lumber mill and an increasing number of retirees drawn by low real estate prices.

                Laura Finatean, 40, flew in from Los Angeles to attend the premiere with her father, who lives near Sacramento. Emerging bleary-eyed from the theater, the mother of two who helps manage a family contracting business in Glendale, said it had been well worth the trip.

                "Loved it. Cried through about half of it," Finatean said.

                "I think the book and movie answer a yearning in this country for the personal qualities of integrity and inner strength shown by Seabiscuit and everyone around him," said her father, Duane Toutjian, 68, a graphic artist from Placerville.

                Earlier in the day, the father and daughter were among more than 200 visitors on a guided tour of Ridgewood Ranch, 10 miles south of Willits, where Seabiscuit retired.

                Leading the tour was Tracy Livingston, 60, a leader in Christ's Church of the Golden Rule, which owns the old ranch. During Seabiscuit's time it was owned by Charles S. Howard, the wealthy California auto dealer who is played by Bridges in the film.

                Howard died in 1950, three years after his beloved horse. The Howard family sold the ranch to two Oregon lumbermen, who sold it to the church in 1962. Livingston said about 35 members of the church still live on the remaining 5,000 acres of a ranch that once stretched miles down the Redwood Highway.

                Since the publication of Hillenbrand's book, the Church of the Golden Rule has conducted tours for more than 2,000 visitors to the ranch. On Saturday, churchwomen served homemade apple juice and horse-head-shaped gingerbread cookies to the groups of visitors, who paid $25 each for the tour.

                Livingston said the church has plans, in cooperation with the Chamber of Commerce, to restore the Seabiscuit stallion barn.

                The elegant Howard horseshoe-shaped ranch home remains mostly intact, including a room decorated with a musical clef sign where Howard's friend Bing Crosby used to stay when he visited.

                Money from the tours, Livingston said, supports the restoration or local charities. He said he views the Seabiscuit fascination as a positive moral step.

                "Like now," Livingston said, "Seabiscuit lived in uncertain times. People are really longing for another hero other than a $100-million basketball player or football player."

                Among the several hundred people who descended on Willits on Saturday were local folk old enough to remember the great stallion and Howard family members who came back to visit the old homestead.

                Lee Persico, 67, a rancher and real estate salesman, recalls sitting on Seabiscuit when he was 6 or 7 years old. "To me," said Persico, "he was just a horse."

                But the Seabiscuit phenomenon, he said, has brought cohesion to a town that has been historically divided between old-line ranching families and counterculture migrants and marijuana growers who began arriving in the 1960s.

                Janis Howard, 45, is the great-granddaughter of Charles Howard. A security and police dog trainer in Northern California, she said she came to the ranch and movie premiere to help heal family wounds caused when the ranch was first sold. Saturday was her first visit to the property. She brought along three antique saddles from the Howard family collection.

                "Most of us were kind of upset that it was sold," she said. "This visit has been good for me, because I can look at it now in a new, positive light."

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                • LOL, I just read this in an article about Willits (the town where Ridgewood was/is)

                  "Beautiful painted horses - a spotted horse is a pinto if it's 13 hands or less tall, a paint if it's over that"

                  Apparently they are actively restoring much of Ridgewood. A lot of it had fallen into disrepair, but with the book coming out, interest piqued again and the church that owns what's left of the property starting restoring stuff. They found all sorts of artifacts on the property and in the house. Interesting stuff: http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,...527371,00.html
                  or
                  http://www.azstarnet.com/destination...dgeranch.shtml

                  *member of the connemara clique and the adults riding ponies clique*

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                  • From a Q & A done with Laura Hillenbrand in May of last year:

                    http://www.usatoday.com/community/ch...illenbrand.htm

                    Laura Hillenbrand: Seabiscuit was buried under an oak sapling on a secret site at Ridgewood. Howard wished to keep the site secret because he was afraid that the horse's legion of admirers would desecrate the grave by walking all over it. He told only his sons where it was.
                    Ridgewood was sold at Howard's death in 1950, and the property was divided. I believe that the part on which the grave lies is part of the Golden Rule Church. I don't know if they do anything special to maintain it, or even if they know where it is.
                    The Howards are not connected to Ridgewood or Willits, California anymore. All of Howard's sons are dead, and I believe that only one grandson is living.

                    *member of the connemara clique and the adults riding ponies clique*

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                    • I saw the movie again today, and I still enjoyed it on the second viewing. I was still distracted by the obvious fakeness of Tobey's racing close-ups, especially in the first race when he's supposed to be on a red chestnut and the fake horse is bay. Whatever.

                      I'm even more convinced now that Gary Stevens really could have a future in movies. He's so relaxed and natural (and hot!) on camera.

                      One thing I thought of today after reading about a couple of the horses who played Seabiscuit- I'm glad these horses got to experience the feeling of winning a big race in the movie- the crowds, the cheering, the fuss. It sounds like in real life they ran at little tracks for not much money, so at least in the movie, they got some glory.

                      Am I crazy for thinking of that? Quite possibly.

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                      • That LA Times story is a bit over the top. Willits is a small town, with still a bit of logging. It's the only town I can think of where you can buy freshly milled lumber and vegetarian burritos.

                        I thought it was funny that the story highlighted the feed store promos - clearly the writer had no idea that EVERY feed store in the US was running that promo!
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                        • I loved the movie, but I couldn't help thinking about the Murphy's Law of horses when SB spooked at the snapping twig and flying birds when he was rehabbing from his soft tissue injury... in the real life scenario, that would have set him back another 12 weeks in rehab! I also chuckled a bit when they were coming back from the injury and decided to gallop him on the small track around the tree... when my guy just slightly tore his check ligament, it was walking and a tiny amount of trotting on HARD ground in STRAIGHT lines for eons! But again, I absolutely LOVED the movie, its just hard for a horsey-person to not nit-pick!!

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                          • Well I finally saw it last night with Mr. Pinkhorse. Overall I thought it was good - a little sappy and hollywoodized but, heck, it's Hollywood. Part of my complaint was that Mr. Pinkhorse came out realizing how much of a "people's horse" Seabiscuit was but didn't really understand why. I really didn't think it told the story very well. There was no way to put it all in but I think they could have left off some of the people stuff at the beginning (I was bored at the beginning of the book too) and stuck in more stuff about the title character - the scratches, the splits (it didn't take much to remind us how fast each split was in the book), Grog.

                            Then there were the inaccuracies that drove me crazy - I'd already expected to see 16 different horses playing Seabiscuit so I didn't bother with that but the props drove me nuts. The helmets (I don't think they had those Calientes in 1936, [in fact the author talks about the hats they wore] but I'd love to know where they got so many of them!), the coolers - I never saw a fitted dress sheet like that before about 1985, the padded bridles (I could be wrong on this one but I somehow doubt that Seabiscuit wore a red padded bridle). Also, when was the current Saratoga track built? I THINK they were still running on the "Oklahoma" track back in the '30's but, again, I could be wrong.

                            I did enjoy seeing the scenes at the stabling at Saratoga having been a hotwalker there 25 years ago. But, it was a little strange to see them there when the leaves were changing colors.

                            Where was that scene when they galloped Seabiscuit through the woods and paths? That was the one scene that REALLY got to me.

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                            • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by pinkhorse:
                              Where was that scene when they galloped Seabiscuit through the woods and paths? That was the one scene that REALLY got to me.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                              Ditto! That looked like the most fun! Anyone know where that was?

                              I did notice the Calientes, but I guess it's better to have that one little goof than risk a cracked skull during filming, especially since so few moviegoers would know the difference.

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                              • Gary Stevens today was exceptionally lucky not to have the same life-ending fate befallen the character he played, George Woolf.

                                AP 8/16: "Stevens Injured at Arlington Million"

                                While Storming Home (Stevens up) crossed the finish line first (with Gary clinging on and before he was trampled) they were DQ'd by having cut off Sulamani with the spook. Much to the objection of the fans in attendence. Gary is in the hospital tonight recovering.

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                                • Just an update on Gary Stevens for those who don't visit the COTH Racing Forums

                                  Thoroughbred Times 8/18 "Stevens coping with injuries with humor"

                                  excerpt -

                                  Racing Hall of Fame jockey Gary Stevens, who suffered a collapsed lung and a fractured vertebra in his upper back when he fell at the finish of the Arlington Million Stakes (G1), said on Monday that he feels lucky to be alive.

                                  "If that hoof had hit my face, I wouldn't be talking to you. I'd be dead," Stevens told author Laura Hillenbrand during a telephone conversation ...

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                                  • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MHM:
                                    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by pinkhorse:
                                    Where was that scene when they galloped Seabiscuit through the woods and paths? That was the one scene that REALLY got to me.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                    Ditto! That looked like the most fun! Anyone know where that was?
                                    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                    In real life, that would've been at Ridgwood Farm in Mendocino County, CA (near Willits/Ukiah), but I am under the impression that for the movie they shot all those scenes in Santa Ynez, California. In either case, it's typical California coastal range terrain, the golden rolling hills dotted with oak trees, with redwoods interspersed as you get north of the SF Bay area. It's a very good double for inland Mendo if they didn't actually shoot there.
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                                    • Thanks, poltroon! The setting for that scene was SO beautiful. Who wouldn't want to go for a nice gallop there?

                                      I saw the race on TV when Gary Stevens was hurt. It was hideously ugly to watch, especially the slow-mo replays. It is a miracle he wasn't more seriously injured. It looked nasty.

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                                      • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MHM:
                                        <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by pinkhorse:
                                        Where was that scene when they galloped Seabiscuit through the woods and paths? That was the one scene that REALLY got to me.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                        Ditto! That looked like the most fun! Anyone know where that was?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                        It was in Kentucky at the Stony Oak Farm, which is a reduced parcel of land from the long admired Xalapa Farm. Here is the article on the filming of the beautiful scenery:

                                        Lexington Herald-Leader 8/7/03 "Stony Oak part of 'Seabiscuit' spectacle"

                                        Excerpt: "The film's riding scene actually begins on Stoner Mill Farm, which was also a part of Xalapa. Stoner Mill contains the scene's smaller bridge and cemetery. The rest of Seabiscuit's emancipating run was shot on Stony Oak."

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                                        • I saw it Saturday night and loved it. I did get a bit confused when the match race came off as planned (since I thought they were gearing up for the first scheduled race that didn't happen), but other than that, I didn't really think about the inconsistencies with the book till after the movie was over. I got all caught up in the excitement of the film!

                                          Yes, Gary Stevens was great! I wonder if they planned for him to play as big a role in the film as he did or if they enlarged his role after realizing that he could act! I must say, I did chuckle when he first made an entrance in that yellow outfit thing! He is one drool-worthy man though! Yummy!

                                          Of course, then I woke up Sunday only to see the horrible picture of his fall in the Sunday paper.

                                          My mom and my sister in law went with me to the movie. Neither are into horses at all, but they both loved the film. When they started the match race and initially cut away to still photos with radio coverage, my sister in law screamed "don't do this to me!" The whole theater laughed!

                                          Earlier in the movie, when they were messing with the tractor as Pollard was riding, my mother was gripping my hand HARD! After the whole accident scene, she leaned over to me and said "don't you ever do that!"

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