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  • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Glimmerglass:
    Weekend box office (preliminary) numbers are in and while gross numbers show _Seabiscuit taking 5th with $21.5 Million_ that's deceptive. The film's release is actually somewhat limited (under 2,000 screens vs. _Spy Kids_ shown on 3,344) so on a per screen basis Seabiscuit was the #1 film by almost 13% more per screen over its next rival.

    (edited with correct ranking 7/28)

    [This message was edited by Glimmerglass on Jul. 28, 2003 at 01:33 AM.]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Why was the release so limited? I was really annoyed- wanted to see it last night but missed the 7:00 showing... and not a theater in my area was playing it again until after ten. Yet "Bad Boys 2" had at least three screens at one of those theaters... SO annoying!

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    • From the AP:

      <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Seabiscuit" came in fifth this weekend, with $21.5 million, although Universal Pictures argued that the movie was running in a different race, since it showed on at least 1,200 fewer locations than each of its rivals.

      Nikki Rocco, Universal's head of distribution, characterized this weekend as a warm-up run for the movie, which will expand to more theaters next weekend. "This was to get the word of mouth to really sell the film," she said. "This picture is in for the long distance."

      "Seabiscuit" was shown at about 1,989 sites, compared to "Spy Kids 3-D" at 3,344. The horse tale had the highest earnings per theater with $10,809 - compared to "Spy Kids 3-D," which had $9,719 and the other second-place competitors, which climbed no higher than $6,900.

      "'Seabiscuit' was filling theaters," Dergarabedian said. "It was not in as many theaters as the others, but it filled more seats in those theaters."

      <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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      • I thought this article on Seabiscuit as a stud was interesting:

        http://www.drf.com/news/article/48402.html

        He sired 7 foals while on layup, before returning to win the Hundred-Grander. Sired 108 foals and died at age 14.

        And here's a link that gives a history of his early "pre-Howard" career, including the fact that <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Seabiscuit had run thirty five times as a juvenile, winning five times, running second seven times, and earning $12,510. Three-year-old Omaha had run nine times, winning six races and $142,255. His Kentucky Derby victory alone netted $39,525.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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        [This message was edited by Badger on Jul. 28, 2003 at 10:32 AM.]
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        • I thought it was wonderful. Period.

          Yes, there were a fair number of discrepancies between the truth and the movie. And yes, a lot was left out.

          But, I mean, duh!! It's a movie!!! I don't understand why people are so upset that there were a few inaccuracies, when overall, it stayed VERY true to the beauty and theme of the book.

          ESPN did a making of the movie show that really highlighted how the races were captured and Gary Stevens' role (as someone said, they DID tell him not to try to act, but to just be natural).

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          • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Badger:
            I thought this article on Seabiscuit as a stud was interesting:

            http://www.drf.com/news/article/48402.html

            He sired 7 foals while on layup, before returning to win the Hundred-Grander. Sired 108 foals and died at age 14.

            And here's a link that gives a history of his early "pre-Howard" career, including the fact that <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Seabiscuit had run thirty five times as a juvenile, winning five times, running second seven times, and earning $12,510. Three-year-old Omaha had run nine times, winning six races and $142,255. His Kentucky Derby victory alone netted $39,525.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

            http://members.fortunecity.com/spile...eabiscuit.html

            [This message was edited by Badger on Jul. 28, 2003 at 10:32 AM.]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

            Hum, he died the same year as his grandsire, Man O War. Which by the way, there is a website that has pics of his funeral.

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            • I found it interesting in the article about Seabiscuit as a sire they gave 4% stakes winners out of 108 foals. War Admiral produced 11% out of, hmmmmm how many foals? War Admiral is most likely the better producer, however why not include all the stats and let the rest of the story be known.

              Loved the movie, let the techy stuff go and just enjoyed the story. Lots of clapping and cheering in our theater. I said whoa very loudly at a very quiet moment during the match race when Seabiscuit needed held a little. My poor embarassed friends.

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              • War Admiral stood to the KY marebase while Seabiscuit was in CA.

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                Both the book and the movie implied that Red pretty much only rode Seabiscuit. They paint a story that is was a rare exception when he rode another of Howard's horses, the mare he got injured on in a race. Is this correct? Did he really pretty much just ride the 'Biscuit and not ride the rest of Howard's string or ride for other trainers? Seems really rare to me.
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                • A little anecedote about Seabiscuit's whip:

                  http://www.calendarlive.com/movies/c...coll=cl-movies

                  From Red's nephew:

                  "I had one of Seabiscuit's whips, but not anymore."

                  Seabiscuit's whip?

                  "Yeah," Pollard said. "My uncle left one of his whips at our house."

                  Alice Pollard was married to Bill Pollard, Red Pollard's brother. Alice Pollard was a rigid taskmaster with her children. She brooked no shenanigans.

                  "She'd whack us with that whip when we got out of line," John Pollard said. "We got to hate that whip. It always stood in a corner of the house. Tuesdays were trash days, so one Tuesday we just took that whip and tossed it in the trash. My mother didn't know. That was the end of that whip."
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                  • Red rode Seabiscuit and from the book's slant, many of the Howard horses.

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                    • But he rode none of them after the Biscuit retired. In fact, the book says he was back in the bush leagues within a year or so.

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                      • Isn't it sad how Red's life turned out after the Biscuit?

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                        • VERY EXCITED:

                          Seeing Seabiscuit tonight!
                          I couldn't over the weekend, and the past few days have been incredible here at work.

                          I can't wait!!

                          Thought I'd share!

                          Will I get funny looks if I wear my racing silks??

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                          • I actually thought it turned out nice. He met the love of his life and got married. His daughter was interviewed on one of the specials on Seabiscuit and she didn't seem to think he'd had a terrible life.

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                            • I did enjoy it, very much.

                              As a movie, I did notice jarring things... overly sentimental dialog, some things I would've liked to see better...

                              But on the whole, it worked. It worked very well, and the fictionalizations were for the most part acceptable. The horses are too noisy, and the whole "rogue" thing was overdone.

                              I thought it was odd that they made War Admiral "nearly 18 hands"... because the horse people would probably know that wasn't right, and the non-horse people wouldn't really understand the difference.. Should've just stuck with the east v. West thing. Also, I don't think it was clear from the movie just why they thought Seabiscuit was so good - they ignored not only the weights (which would've taken time) but also his times (which would've been easy).

                              I went Wed evening, and the theater was packed. Everyone cheered after the match race.

                              I loved Tobey Macguire and Gary Stevens.

                              The racing/galloping scenes were filmed VERY effectively. They did a great job of showing what it would be like to see a hole open up. Also, the initial scene with Tom Smith and the galloping horses. Best equine cinematography since the Black Stallion. Really outstanding.
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                              • Seabiscuit stood in California, in way north northern California (200 miles north of San Franscisco), and mostly bred Howard-owned mares.
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                                • I also thought it was interesting that they left the impression that Marcela was some sort of society girl, when actually she was the niece of Howard's housekeeper.

                                  I hadn't realized that she was the source of so much of Hillenbrand's material. She seems like she was a really fantastic lady, joyful, vibrant, and level-headed.
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                                  • One more: I loved when Red was telling the "story" of him riding in the great 100 mile horse race for the sultan of "Araby" ...

                                    And I was thinking, oh, good lead-in for Hildago!
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                                    • When I heard "Araby" all I could think of was the James Joyce short story.

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                                      • Loved the movie, despite the typical Hollywood inaccuracies.

                                        Loved the book, too - now, I'm not a history buff, but I found the book fascinating, even the non-horsey parts. I wish the movie had stressed how horrible the jockey's act of "reducing" was - all they showed was Tobey MacGuire vomiting and they even made a joke of how little he ate when he was getting back into racing - to me, it really seemed to make light of the extreme measures that jockeys went through to make weight.

                                        For those of you who read the book and watched the movie and are complaining about the movie's beginning and how they spent "too much time on the background and the people", don't you realize that one of the main reasons that The Biscuit became such an American icon (other than the fact that he was an amazing athlete) was that he gave millions of Americans something to relate to during a time when they had very little in life to live for? People flocked to the races to escape the realities of life during the Great Depression, and watching The Biscuit run gave them something to relate to - gave them hope that they too, would overcome seemingly insurmountable odds and win. That's why it was necessary to focus on the background, the times, and to provide you with enough depth to the characters so you could feel like part of the story, too. I wasn't put off by the amount of detail or the time it took to get to The Biscuit at all - I found it wonderfully accurate and descriptive.

                                        They should have shown some actual clips from the races - that would have added a lot, for me. But that's just my opinion.

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                                        • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by teal tea:
                                          I actually thought it turned out nice. He met the love of his life and got married. His daughter was interviewed on one of the specials on Seabiscuit and she didn't seem to think he'd had a terrible life.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                          Just like the book/his wife says: he would've suffocated in any other life.

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