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ASPCA/Humane Society-Your Donation Dollars At Work

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  • #41
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">It's very easy. The same disinfectant spray they use to prevent diseases from spreading in veterinary exam rooms. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Actually, mairzedoats, it's not that easy.

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    • #42
      MHM, from their website contact info: Laura@la-spca.org

      Heyyounags, guess is depends on what you consider hard work!

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      • #43
        Thanks, Mairzeadoats!

        I also sent them money, and this does not sound like a good system to me. Maybe there's a reasonable explanation for it, but I'd certainly like to know what it is before I make another donation!

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        • #44
          Don't rush to thank me (or write them.) My email just got returned...and I sent it right from their site.

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          • #45
            <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by carolprudm:
            <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Erin:I'm well aware that you want any possible opening to skewer HSUS and/or ASPCA, but perhaps it might be better to wait for the facts to come in on this one before playing judge and jury... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

            Seems that that was uncalled for from a moderator. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

            Not really, she just remembers the recent triads against them here...I don't beleive any of us should judge anything until we have facts. I, too, would rather their efforts go to saving the animals they have now than to washing crates. Think of the potential for spread of disease, if, for instance, someone didn't disinfect as protocal calls for?

            ...and mairzedotes, perhaps their mailbox is filled to capacity....
            www.savethehorses.org GA Horse Rescue
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              #46
              OK...to answer some questions....and bring to mind new ones....

              Water, electricity and manpower are not in short supply here. There are so many people around the animal shelter that is amazing there is any room to park. It seems that the HSUS and the ASPCA would both like to be in charge and of course....no one appears to be in charge. I asked the guys in the truck actually doing the "trashing" and one of the barn managers in a small animal barn (barn 5), who gave the order to throw all the stuff away. No one could give me an answer. If I could find the person in charge, I would ask.

              To date there have been no outbreaks of disease that I am aware of. The US Health Department is here in full force. They are checking everything within their jurisdiction. Two nights ago, the ASPCA/HSUS put rabbits, ferrits and other small animals in the women's bathroom. The Department of Public Health found out about it and rushed in on them like a commando squad. They not only had to remove the small animals, but they had to scrub the bathroom walls and floor with clorox. After a while, you just have to laugh. Spending an evening next door to these folks is better than watching old re-runs of Saturday Night Live.

              The ASPCA/HSUS is washing some crates but the ones they don't get to go in the dumpster. One person told me the crates he was throwing away had rust on them. I asked if I could take one home that he had planned on putting in the dumpster and he said it was ok. I picked up a wire crate....it was still in the box. When I inquired as to why the brand new ones were going out, he said he didn't know. He was just told to do it.

              The same goes for dog food. The other day they were thowing out bags of dog food because it "might" and if it does the dog food would get wet. If the bags got wet and fell open....well then, they might have to clean up some dog food.....it was better just to throw it away.

              As for the supplies available...tractor trailer loads of stuff have been coming in every day. They are bringing food, crates, bowls, collars, leashes, toys and medical supplies. There is nothing in short supply here....food and water for humans is plentiful too. When someone comes to pick up their horse(s) we send them off with hay and feed and a bucket full of new stuff like brushes, halter and leadrope, shampoo, hoof picks, hay nets, fly spray, wound ointment, etc. These "kits" have been put together by our volunteers from stuff donated to the effort. We throw out VERY few things...we are grateful to get the things we have.

              Needless to say, there is a completely different mindset in the horse barn. It is truly a labor of love. No one is in this for money or fame or donations. Understand that except for Dr. French and his staff of folks from LSU, the rest of us are UNPAID volunteers. The HSUS and ASPCA folks are getting paid (from what I was told). We are there because we want to be there and want to make sure the horses are cared for and reunited with their owners. The donations made to LSU help to provide medical treatment and a few supplies but the vast majority of stuff we have is donated....not purchased.

              Take it for what it is...unorganized and wasteful. What can be done about it now? Probably nothing. This whole effort is now nearly a month old. Hurricane Katrina has taught me so many things....the least of which is how unprepared we are when we think we are prepared. I have also come to realize that very little of what the media has printed and shown about the aftermath of this storm is true. As a matter of fact...some of it is blatant lies. I have also learned that there are some really good people out there. The volunteers at the small animal barns are as outraged and disappointed as I am...but they keep coming back....it's all for the animals.

              Elizabeth
              Member of the OTTB Clique, Re-Riders Clique and the Thread Killer Clique.

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              • #47
                Well, I'm one of the ones who complained about them and I still think that thowing away new and barely used crates is unacceptable. I don't care if HSUS or Jesus did it. And I'm really not interested in hearing excuses for it - nor would I accept excuses for the waste of resources to help human victims.

                It's still unacceptable when people who can barely afford to feed themselves respond to pleas for money only to find out it's been squandered.

                And with another disaster on the way - it's even more criminal.

                I've appreciated hearing from the OP on efforts to help the animals - and I appreciate her bringing this to our attention. Regardless of who is responsible - it ain't right.

                And to ask donors to give money for crates, then throw them away, smacks of fraudulent solicitation.
                Brothers and sisters, I bid you beware
                Of giving your heart to a dog to tear.
                -Rudyard Kipling

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                • #48
                  Geez, J Swan, you were sounding so sensible for a while there...

                  How do you have any idea who paid for the crates, if they were paid for at all?

                  carolprudm, on the contrary, it's *exactly* because I'm a moderator that I should be telling people to cool it on the witch hunt when the facts aren't known. Probably also helps that I'm a journalist and I like to hear confirmed facts... not criticizing OldLadyOnATB at all, obviously she is just passing along what she saw, for what it's worth.

                  I'll go along with disorganized and wasteful (which is not exactly unusual, or even unexpected during a crisis like this). But fraudulent solicitiation? Come on already.

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                  • #49
                    Speaking of the HSUS...has anyone who ordered the dog collars actually received them. I ordered them two weeks ago and have not received them as yet. I know they are busy so I was just wondering.
                    http://community.webshots.com/user/william7628

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                    • #50
                      My email to the LA SPCA got bounced back as well.

                      OLoaTB- thanks again for the updates. I'm glad to know that at least the donation I sent to LSU is being put to better use!

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                      • #51
                        I am the OP of the dog collar thread - I have not yet received my collar, either.
                        I'm not gonna piss & moan about misuse of funds or equipment...I'm just glad they have been able to rescue so many small animals. And let's remember...the numbers are waaaay greater than the number of horses taken in.
                        www.savethehorses.org GA Horse Rescue
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                        • #52
                          <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Erin:
                          &lt;SNIP&gt;


                          carolprudm, on the contrary, it's *exactly* because I'm a moderator that I should be telling people to cool it on the witch hunt when the facts aren't known. Probably also helps that I'm a journalist and I like to hear confirmed facts... not criticizing OldLadyOnATB at all, obviously she is just passing along what she saw, for what it's worth.

                          I'll go along with disorganized and wasteful (which is not exactly unusual, or even unexpected during a crisis like this). But fraudulent solicitiation? Come on already. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
                          I NEVER said they were soliciting funds fraudulently.
                          I pointed out, for example that their website is collecting money for Katrina and OTHER disasters. IOW, money that you send to HSUS might not go to Katrina (or Rita) relief. I did say that they spent little of the money that they collect on direct relief for animals and that people would get more "bang for their buck" by giving to other organizations such as LSU Vet school and I did provide a vebsite where people could verify the information. I also reminded people that HSUS tried to eliminate Eventing from the Olympics.
                          I wasn't always a Smurf
                          Penmerryl's Sophie RIDSH
                          "I ain't as good as I once was but I'm as good once as I ever was"
                          The ignore list is my friend. It takes 2 to argue.

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                          • #53
                            <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Seahorsefarmtobe:
                            I am the OP of the dog collar thread - I have not yet received my collar, either.
                            I'm not gonna piss & moan about misuse of funds or equipment.... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                            I hope you didn't think I was implying anything like that with respect to the money paid for the dog collars. I was happy to make the donation and get the collars as a bonus. I was just wondering because I am sure that they are overwhelmed with taking care of the animals and such.
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                            • #54
                              What the hell does eliminating eventing from the olympics have to do with anything? As a humane society, I guess they view it as unhumane - and let's face it, at that level it ain't a ride in the park. But neither are the other disciplines from hunter to barrels to dressage. Whole 'nother topic...
                              www.savethehorses.org GA Horse Rescue
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                              • #55
                                oh no, clearound - I didn't - I was referring to JSwan and carolprudm's POV on this whole subject. My dog will proudly wear hers - it is the first "donation" of her own! BTW, clearound, William has some scope, huh?
                                www.savethehorses.org GA Horse Rescue
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                                • #56
                                  <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Seahorsefarmtobe:
                                  &lt;SNIP&gt;
                                  And let's remember...the numbers are waaaay greater than the number of horses taken in. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
                                  Well yeah, there are more dogs and cats TO rescue.
                                  And I mentioned HSUS's attempt to ban Eventing as an example of their political agenda. FWIW I also pointed out that they promote veganism.
                                  I wasn't always a Smurf
                                  Penmerryl's Sophie RIDSH
                                  "I ain't as good as I once was but I'm as good once as I ever was"
                                  The ignore list is my friend. It takes 2 to argue.

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                                  • #57
                                    that was my point, there are just so damn many to rescue...
                                    www.savethehorses.org GA Horse Rescue
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                                    • #58
                                      <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Seahorsefarmtobe:
                                      that was my point, there are just so damn many to rescue... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
                                      LSU is also rescuing pets
                                      I wasn't always a Smurf
                                      Penmerryl's Sophie RIDSH
                                      "I ain't as good as I once was but I'm as good once as I ever was"
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                                      • #59
                                        so are many other people, including individuals!
                                        www.savethehorses.org GA Horse Rescue
                                        http://community.webshots.com/user/seahorsefarm

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                                        • #60
                                          <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by carolprudm:

                                          I NEVER said they were soliciting funds fraudulently. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                          And I never said you did. Since J Swan's post was about 2 up, I kind of figured most people's attention spans were long enough that they'd know who I was referring to.

                                          <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I pointed out, for example that their website is collecting money for Katrina and OTHER disasters. IOW, money that you send to HSUS might not go to Katrina (or Rita) relief. I did say that they spent little of the money that they collect on direct relief for animals and that people would get more "bang for their buck" by giving to other organizations such as LSU Vet school and I did provide a vebsite where people could verify the information. I also reminded people that HSUS tried to eliminate Eventing from the Olympics. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                          Uh, yeah, you did. On every single cotton-picking thread that ever even mentioned HSUS. And despite being told at least half a dozen times that people "get it," you are still whacking away at that dead horse, aren't you? Even on a thread that has NOTHING to do with HSUS's political aims, but rather what they did or didn't do with a bunch of dog crates.

                                          All I said was that it might behoove reasonable people to wait and get a little more information before they jump to a verdict. Now, if that "reasonable" description doesn't apply to you, by all means, carry on.

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