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ASPCA/Humane Society-Your Donation Dollars At Work

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  • #21
    Of course the media would touch this... HSUS and ASPCA have been widely advertised as places to donate.

    Although, I am not totally sure if donations to either of those groups would be used to actually *purchase* crates and such. Petsmart in particular has a charity arm that donates food and supplies in a disaster (and it's a much more effective use of funds to have goods donated than to buy them at retail anyway), so the crates could very well have been free, and there could very well be enough of them donated that they don't need to be washed out and reused.

    It's wasteful, yes. And I have no idea if it's actually the case that the crates were donated and there's a limitless supply. Just pointing out that it's a possibility.

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    • #22
      Even if the crates were donated (and I agree that it is a strong possibility) - it's a crying shame.
      Another hurricane is about to hit Texas - and probably flood New Orleans again.

      You know - If the only way I could get my pet out was to put it in a crate, and I didn't have one - I'd take a dirty one in a heartbeat. I'd clean it with my own spit if I had to.

      What matters is getting the job done.
      Brothers and sisters, I bid you beware
      Of giving your heart to a dog to tear.
      -Rudyard Kipling

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      • #23
        <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by karassa:
        &lt;SNIP&gt;

        Cleaning those at the very least requires *NON* contaminated water. I was under the impression that clean water was in short supply in the area. Could this perhaps be the cause of the waste?

        &lt;SNIP&gt; </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
        I don't believe it is a problem in Baton Rouge
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        • #24
          I haven't looked at the pictures yet, but one thing came to mind. I don't know how it is for all Humane Societies and SPCA chapters, but many of them are not no-kill shelters.

          For example, my local SPCA euthanizes nearly all feral or semi-feral animals, plus ones that are not immediately adopted. Practically if they have a scratch on the nose they're slated for death. Of course there are many opinions on the issue, but I wanted to raise it just because I've talked to many people who were not aware that their donations were going to support the killing of animals and would not have donated in that case. So, just another thing to think about. (Also, please don't assume that I'm bashing all SPCAs because there are so many out there that don't euthanize and are really wonderful.)

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          • #25
            <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by J Swan:
            Even if the crates were donated (and I agree that it is a strong possibility) - it's a crying shame.
            Another hurricane is about to hit Texas - and probably flood New Orleans again.

            You know - If the only way I could get my pet out was to put it in a crate, and I didn't have one - I'd take a dirty one in a heartbeat. I'd clean it with my own spit if I had to.

            What matters is getting the job done. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

            Yeah, but do the people rescuing animals and caring for the ones who have BEEN rescued have time to collect them and arrange for transport to different areas and all that? I get the impression that folks down there are overwhelmed as it is...

            I *hate* the thought of all those crates actually being thrown away, even if they were free (I'm a recycling/Freecycling nazi ), but when time and resources are limited, well, I'd rather they be spent saving animals than keeping crates out of a landfill.

            Anyway, I do hope someone can point the media in the right direction, because obviously more information is needed.

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            • #26
              There's a snippet in Newsweek about Petsmart attempting to deliver crates ordered by FEMA and getting jerked around royally with them changing the order, cancelling it, reinstating it, cancelling it, demanding it, and then finally refusing to accept the shipment.

              Putting crates in a dumpster is not efficient in any way. If cleaning them is a problem, you have a truck/dumpster devoted to dirty crates and you swap 'em out for clean crates while those are being cleaned and/or distributed out of the affected area. These are expensive items and I'm sure that many other rescue groups in the area could use them.

              PS: if you want the media to pick it up, post it with documentation on DailyKOS (http://www.dailykos.com/).
              If you are allergic to a thing, it is best not to put that thing in your mouth, particularly if the thing is cats. - Lemony Snicket

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              • #27
                That's also a good point, it's not like folks are down there on vacation -

                I just know there has to be a better way. I have a great deal of experience in moving large volumes of "stuff" (Army) and I can tell you that there are people in the world that prefer to make a problem go away than do a bit of extra brainwork to figure out a solution.

                Some folks see the big picture and some don't. Unfortunatly, the ones who don't see the big picture are often the decision makers.

                I would be very interested to know more.
                Brothers and sisters, I bid you beware
                Of giving your heart to a dog to tear.
                -Rudyard Kipling

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                • #28
                  <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Erin:
                  <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by J Swan:
                  Even if the crates were donated (and I agree that it is a strong possibility) - it's a crying shame.
                  Another hurricane is about to hit Texas - and probably flood New Orleans again.

                  You know - If the only way I could get my pet out was to put it in a crate, and I didn't have one - I'd take a dirty one in a heartbeat. I'd clean it with my own spit if I had to.

                  What matters is getting the job done. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                  Yeah, but do the people rescuing animals and caring for the ones who have BEEN rescued have time to collect them and arrange for transport to different areas and all that? I get the impression that folks down there are overwhelmed as it is...

                  I *hate* the thought of all those crates actually being thrown away, even if they were free (I'm a recycling/Freecycling nazi ), but when time and resources are limited, well, I'd rather they be spent saving animals than keeping crates out of a landfill.

                  Anyway, I do hope someone can point the media in the right direction, because obviously more information is needed. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
                  Yes, but evidently there is still a great need for crates. Are they throwing them out because they don't need them any more or because they don't want to wash them?
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                  • #29
                    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by J Swan:
                    That's also a good point, it's not like folks are down there on vacation -

                    I just know there has to be a better way. I have a great deal of experience in moving large volumes of "stuff" (Army) and I can tell you that there are people in the world that prefer to make a problem go away than do a bit of extra brainwork to figure out a solution.

                    Some folks see the big picture and some don't. Unfortunatly, the ones who don't see the big picture are often the decision makers.

                    I would be very interested to know more. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                    Absolutely... and I'd love to know more, too.

                    Maybe in the future this problem could be addressed in a better way. But this is certainly the largest-scale animal rescue operation I've EVER heard of in this country, so I'm willing to cut them a little slack here until we know more. I doubt any of the rescue groups of any kind had a plan already in place for what to do with several thousand used crates...

                    I'm surprised to hear FEMA had anything to do with the pet rescue situation at all. (Not surprised to hear that they bungled it. )

                    On a semi-related, positive note... I saw something in a news article earlier today that people in Texas (Galveston, perhaps?) are being allowed into evacuation shelters with pets in crates. Officials are definitey learning SOME lessons from Katrina, and realized that they could get more people to evacuate if they allowed pets to come along. This is a VERY GOOD thing, and I hope it will be more widely implemented in the future.

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                    • #30
                      <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by carolprudm:
                      Yes, but evidently there is still a great need for crates. Are they throwing them out because they don't need them any more or because they don't want to wash them? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                      I believe the OP said it was because they didn't want to wash them.

                      I'm simply being a devil's advocate and pointing out that IF they have plenty of crates on hand, it is not necessarily a good use of human resources to spend time washing out crates.

                      And, as I said, no one knows for sure yet, which is why more information is needed.

                      I'm well aware that you want any possible opening to skewer HSUS and/or ASPCA, but perhaps it might be better to wait for the facts to come in on this one before playing judge and jury...

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                      • #31
                        <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Cleaning those at the very least requires *NON* contaminated water. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                        It requires less than 30 seconds to spritz a crate with the same veterinary cleanser used to clean exam tables between appointments. Then let sit for 30 minutes to air dry.

                        A very, very small amount of water will disinfect a *lot* of crates in this way.

                        (I know this from personal experience. I bought a tiny bottle of the disinfectant from my avian vet probably 10 years ago. I've used it many, many times to disinfect cages and crates, according to the directions on the bottle.)

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                        • #32
                          One of the problems IMO is that we live in a "throw-away" society.
                          Unfortunately that is being handed down to younger generations.
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                          • #33
                            Another point is that with the millions of dollars donated, HSUS or whomever, could certainly afford to hire someone locally to sanitize them, and/or hire a semi to haul the excess cages and food to a rented storage space. Or, organize to ship it else where, like Texas, where it might be needed. And a big warehouse at that. The next time (in about 24 hours perhaps?) there is a need they'll be ready without having to get more.

                            I know my mother and sister, both of whom lived on fixed incomes, sent in their $25 donations which they could ill afford to do, to take care of the pets. If they were to see the food and cages being thrown away they'd be ill.

                            This is a story that needs to be told, as well as the waste going on with the Red Cross. Though what will likely happen is the organization responsible will blame the guys on the truck. Renegades no doubt.
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                            • #34
                              <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Erin:I'm well aware that you want any possible opening to skewer HSUS and/or ASPCA, but perhaps it might be better to wait for the facts to come in on this one before playing judge and jury... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                              Seems that that was uncalled for from a moderator.
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                              • #35
                                FEMA just paid to have ice that was trucked to LA trucked *back* to Massachusetts for storage.

                                Certainly one would thing they could find water and sanitizer suitable for cleaning crates.

                                However, if you look at the photos, you can see that, as the caption says, some look as though they've never been assembled--the hardware is still in little plastic bags.
                                "It's like a Russian nesting doll of train wrecks."--CaitlinandTheBay

                                ...just settin' on the Group W bench.

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                                • #36
                                  Are they having animal disease outbreaks? If so, sanitizing or disinfecting crates may not be that easy.

                                  And it's not like there would be loads of empty, conveniently located warehouses to ship stuff to. Someone would have to find a warehouse (a volunteer with expertise in storage issues?), find an otherwise available trucking company, and pay the trucker and the warehouse.

                                  If the crates were donated to begin with, and new ones are available, it may be cheaper and easier just to throw them away.

                                  I agree, it sounds horribly wasteful to just throw out the crates, but the working conditions aren't exactly conducive to recycling.

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                                  • #37
                                    When I wasn't able to ship my crates and cages, I donated to la-spca. I've just written to their president about this.

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                                    • #38
                                      <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Are they having animal disease outbreaks? If so, sanitizing or disinfecting crates may not be that easy. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                      It's very easy. The same disinfectant spray they use to prevent diseases from spreading in veterinary exam rooms.

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                                      • #39
                                        Hey Mairzedoats-

                                        Do you have the contact info for the LA-SPCA president handy? Care to post it?

                                        Thanks!

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                                        • #40
                                          Maybe they can just haul the dumpsters to San Antonio.
                                          I wasn't always a Smurf
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                                          "I ain't as good as I once was but I'm as good once as I ever was"
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