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  • Replacing Horse Slaughter with Horse Licensing (Passport)

    So I haven't been up to date with the forums for a long while but I am sure some of you must be outraged by the ban of horse slaughter being raised and then others say it is okay because it gives horses a way out of cruel situation... but then I got to thinking well what could stop both cruel situations and horse slaughter? Horse licensing. Exotic animals require licensing and many other countries do. I live in Germany and my horse needs a passport and the passport is documented with the agriculture federation that has all the health information of the horse and owners information. It required yearly check ups/vaccines from the vet that stamps the passport and serves as a device that tracks horses and their heath.

    It deters animal cruelty because only certain committed people have a horse then, it deters horse theft, it deters bad breeding, it works as identification of the horse across state borders and at horse shows. It wouldn't cost owners much more because they would only be paying for the actual passport and then the cost of their yearly health expenses would be the same. But horses are not for the super dirt poor anyways... I am a poor college student but still can make sure my horse is properly cared for and if this is a good alternative to horse slaughter and weeding out horse cruelty situations than why not promote this as an alternative? It takes care of a lot of issues... cruelty, bad breeding, horse theft, identification for horse shows and transportation, etc.

    Of course, there will still be the issue of some horse cruelty & theft, I am not saying it would eradicate it, but it seems like a better alternative than telling everyone they can have a horse and when they cant afford it anymore than can always get their last $300 by sending it to slaughter... that seems not fair to the horse... who went from pet to slaughter animal. If the horse must be put down because of heath or lameness issue than have it done properly and humanely... be vet.

    So what are your opinions on this? I would like to possibly put together a petition and write some letters to some people about this idea, but would first like to get the opinion of the horse world first. If you would like to assist me in this movement please contact me.

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    Why take a product we can sell and let it become a liability to dispose of, as so many unwanted horses are that go to slaughter now?

    Banning slaughter because someone abused a horse there is like banning driving because some drive drunk, nonsense.

    Passports are coming anyway.
    That is because keeping track of all and everything is the government's bean counters passion.
    You won't get them past the idea that they ought to count everything they can.
    With computers today doing the counting, it is cheap to do so, why not, they say?
    They love their job and it is job security for them also.

    We have those programs for cattle, they are getting every one house, farm or any kind of operation already in their books, what with premise registration, taxing to support the counties and schools, etc.

    We already have that, premise registration number, agricultural tax exemption number, our cattle are source verified and individually numbered and tracked all the way to every box in a restaurant and little package in a grocery store.

    Now, I don't know what you mean by licensing?
    Like dogs, a city license and proof of rabies vaccination?
    Take a test to own a horse?

    Be careful what you wish for, you may get it and you may not like the unintended consequences.

    Seriously, if you are confusing animal rights with animal welfare, as the animal rights groups propaganda does to some people, you may want to try to learn the difference first, before jumping on questionable bandwagons.

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    • #3
      Bluey...Texas classifies Horses as Pets... take a look at the tax identification requirement for Agriculture that takes place as of Jan 1. 2012... horse ranches, training stables are specifically excluded as being worthy of getting a Tax Exemption number … now once the state or fed starts asking me to report where I have taken my dog or my cat they can forget about tracking my horses… they can just lock me up on the horses

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      • #4
        Originally posted by clanter View Post
        Bluey...Texas classifies Horses as Pets... take a look at the tax identification requirement for Agriculture that takes place as of Jan 1. 2012... horse ranches, training stables are specifically excluded as being worthy of getting a Tax Exemption number … now once the state or fed starts asking me to report where I have taken my dog or my cat they can forget about tracking my horses… they can just lock me up on the horses
        We also have requirements for a Coggins, to compete, any time a horse changes hands, if bought/sold or traded or gifted.
        Many states in the West have brand inspections, most states already have health inspection requirements to move horses, many shows and rodeos require those now around here and have someone at the gate asking to see them.

        I don't see that slaughter or not, those requirements for the general public will change either way.

        Remember a few years ago the big fight over NAIS?
        Well, NAIS didn't go away, is still being worked over and ready to show up here and there with other names.

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        • #5
          I couldn't agree more. I don't think people should own horses unless they can prove they can be responsible owners, let alone breed them.

          Hell I was offered a horse for free (and a damn good one too, not a BYB horse) and I had to say no because I knew with my pay I'd have to struggle with annual boarding, farrier and vet costs. If the horse somehow got sick or injured, I'd have no means to pay hundreds of euros in vet bills, let alone thousands.
          Yes, I smell like a horse. No, I don't consider that to be a problem.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Niennor View Post
            I couldn't agree more. I don't think people should own horses unless they can prove they can be responsible owners, let alone breed them.

            Hell I was offered a horse for free (and a damn good one too, not a BYB horse) and I had to say no because I knew with my pay I'd have to struggle with annual boarding, farrier and vet costs. If the horse somehow got sick or injured, I'd have no means to pay hundreds of euros in vet bills, let alone thousands.
            That is called living within our means.
            That applies to all, if we own land and have maintenance bills, taxes, etc. to pay, utilities to pay when renting, or horses to maintain and so much else.

            Sadly, there are still Craiglist ads here with "I can't afford to buy a horse, but if you give me yours, I will take very good care of it".

            I have been seeing this situation coming on now for years, because it reflects the dog and cat as disposable items, now those people the last years could also have horses.
            When the economy tanked and other reasons, here we are, animal control having to handle surrendered/abandoned horses just like they do small pets.

            I am not sure that licensing pet owners would change that, just as licensing dogs has not changed this either.

            On the other hand, we have had the thriving horse industry we had for so long because of those people that got a horse and were buying the supplies they did for it.
            Many of those then went to participate in all else we do with horses today.

            I just saw someone here, that started like those people that happen to get a horse for their kid, the kid worked it's way up in the horse world and today were hauling in a nice trailer to some big event.
            Multiply that by all those out there doing the same and that starts to count in our horse industry.

            I do think we need to certify instructors, stables and barn managers.
            There is much that is not always up to par yet in how we care for our horses and what we do with them.

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            • #7
              You can't get a tax exemption in Kentucky for horses either...but they most certainly aren't classified as pets.

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              • #8
                So who is going to determine worthyness?

                Originally posted by Niennor View Post
                I couldn't agree more. I don't think people should own horses unless they can prove they can be responsible owners, let alone breed them.
                What criteria are they going to use? Income? Just because you have the money doesn'ty mean you're going to spend it on caring for your horse. Knowledge? Passing a test doesn't mean you will take care of something.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Niennor View Post
                  I couldn't agree more. I don't think people should own horses unless they can prove they can be responsible owners, let alone breed them.
                  ...
                  And what is a "responsible owner"?
                  The ultimate goal of farming is not the growing of crops, but the cultivation and perfection of human beings.

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                  • #10
                    I don't see how a passport would replace slaughter...how so?

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                    • #11
                      Oh boy

                      In the Land of NO MORE GUVMMINT you want some Government official to decide who can and can't own a horse!

                      Should it be a State official or a Federal official?

                      I can see all the Libertarians exploding even as I write....

                      But all joking aside, it is coming. Give it 5 -10 yrs. We'll be having to have passports and microchips for all our horses them.
                      They drove out the attempt to get all horses microchipped (NAIS) before, but it's time will come.
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                      • #12
                        How about we keep stupid European ideas in Europe?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Niennor View Post
                          I couldn't agree more. I don't think people should own horses unless they can prove they can be responsible owners, let alone breed them.

                          Hell I was offered a horse for free (and a damn good one too, not a BYB horse) and I had to say no because I knew with my pay I'd have to struggle with annual boarding, farrier and vet costs. If the horse somehow got sick or injured, I'd have no means to pay hundreds of euros in vet bills, let alone thousands.
                          Let me go through your life and I will decide what you should or should not own. K?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Niennor View Post
                            I couldn't agree more. I don't think people should own horses unless they can prove they can be responsible owners, let alone breed them.
                            Is someone in the government going to decide this? I can see it now - just like they did with Frannie & Freddie. "Everyone deserves to own a horse, whether they can afford it or not - horses for all ".

                            No thank you.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Incantation View Post
                              Is someone in the government going to decide this? I can see it now - just like they did with Frannie & Freddie. "Everyone deserves to own a horse, whether they can afford it or not - horses for all ".

                              No thank you.
                              The biggest problem would be the opposite. We already have enough overzealous animal protection organizations. More of the same is what we don't need.

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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by Bluey View Post

                                Remember a few years ago the big fight over NAIS?
                                Well, NAIS didn't go away, is still being worked over and ready to show up here and there with other names.
                                Yes, it setting in the dark shadows waiting to pounce.... the fine structure for failure to report is still in place

                                ...yet Texas calls horses pets

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by Niennor View Post
                                  I don't think people should own horses unless they can prove they can be responsible owners, let alone breed them.
                                  remove horse; insert: dog, cat or child... then we are in China or is it Walmart?

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                                  • #18
                                    Seriously, are the anti-slaughter people trolling the boards on purpose this weekend? If they don't know that most people on COTH are not frothing at the mouth mindless yes-men of the HORSIES ARE PETS animal rights movement they clearly never read the boards here.

                                    And yeah, that's great, let's have the government decide who can and can't own a horse. Then what? Pets?
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                                    • #19
                                      That went well...............

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                                      • #20
                                        Even in horse registered, licensed regulated Europe, horses are still slaughtered. They are culled if they are not up to whatever standard they are held to.
                                        If not, where are you getting your horse meat that I've seen on the menu?
                                        The abbatiors are smaller, and local (at least in Switzerland, that I have seen from the road) but they are still there.

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