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    Does anyone know or think that after this whole mess with horse slaughter they will start putting the meat in our grocery stores?? Or trying to hide it in our processed foods??
    To each his own but I would rather NOT eat my best friends, knowingly or otherwise.

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    Very probably. WAY back in the 1970s (I think it was, maybe late 1960s), Burger King used horsemeat. I think that was the first political protest I ever took part in; we boycotted BK and marched on all our local BK's carrying signs and handing out leaflets. IIRC our local 4H club organized this.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by manentail View Post
      Does anyone know or think that after this whole mess with horse slaughter they will start putting the meat in our grocery stores??
      The market for horsemeat in the US is simply not widespread enough for the average grocery store to stock it. Specialty stores, or some stores in targeted areas, probably.

      Or trying to hide it in our processed foods??
      Hide it how? It would be listed in the ingredients list.

      If the ingredients list is not clear, or it's a restaurant of some sort that doesn't have a printed list available, contact the company/manager and ask if they use horsemeat. If they can't/won't tell you, tell them you will not be buying their product until you know it's 100% not horsemeat. Then go elsewhere.

      It won't be any easier or harder to avoid than anything else in food, and people avoid particular ingredients all the time, for a variety of reasons.
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      • #4
        They could hide it, you know. Have you ever read on meat products that the ingredients simply list "meat by products" or similar non-descript items?

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        • #5
          From my understanding, it's an expensive cut of meat and I can't see BK or something of the sort using it. At least I hope not.
          "If you've got a horse, you've got a problem"

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          • #6
            Originally posted by farmgirl598 View Post
            They could hide it, you know. Have you ever read on meat products that the ingredients simply list "meat by products" or similar non-descript items?
            Yes. Which is why, if you want to avoid a particular type of meat, you decline to buy the product until you get more information from the company.

            The same as someone who wants to avoid pork, for example.
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            • #7
              Yes I think the idea of eating horsemeat is repulsive, and I also know it's probably largely cultural, though I wouldn't want to eat meat from the same type of animals I have as pets/companions at all.

              But it's unsafe sounding to me, especially after reading the forums here! The drugs horses are given, and the limited amount of checking that the meat is safe afterward? Pretty darned scary to me. Side of meat with your bute?
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              • #8
                Originally posted by manentail View Post
                Does anyone know or think that after this whole mess with horse slaughter they will start putting the meat in our grocery stores?? Or trying to hide it in our processed foods??
                To each his own but I would rather NOT eat my best friends, knowingly or otherwise.

                It has always been illegal to pass horse off as anything but.

                However, there have always been people making a quick buck my swindling people (at a moment like that I like to tell the story from the European meat wholesaler who had the most amazing prices on beef, until his customers came down with something they could not ever have gotten from anything bovine, but only from Kangaroo....bummer.)

                If it's in your store, so what. Don't buy the red meat with a pony on it.

                Heard a sombering thing on TV this morning: in a coule of counties here in the state more than 50% of kids live under the poverty level. That is ever other kid! At a stage in their lives when most is not set, in terms of development.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Alagirl View Post

                  If it's in your store, so what. Don't buy the red meat with a pony on it.

                  This is what I do

                  Even though I'm from Ontario, I spend a good deal of time in Quebec, where "Chevaline" can often be found in grocery stores. It's pretty clearly marked, even if you don't know what this word MEANS, you can be pretty sure it's not beef.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by wishnwell View Post
                    From my understanding, it's an expensive cut of meat and I can't see BK or something of the sort using it. At least I hope not.
                    horse is like cow: Most of it is not fit to be the head line of the dinner party. You get a couple of loin pieces, a few steaks and a lot of ground meat.

                    Originally posted by netg View Post
                    Yes I think the idea of eating horsemeat is repulsive, and I also know it's probably largely cultural, though I wouldn't want to eat meat from the same type of animals I have as pets/companions at all.

                    But it's unsafe sounding to me, especially after reading the forums here! The drugs horses are given, and the limited amount of checking that the meat is safe afterward? Pretty darned scary to me. Side of meat with your bute?
                    And when this comes up I done my helmet and procede to punch holes in the drywall with my head.

                    yes, most people here on this forum have a supplement chest that rivals the local GNC branch. or the medicine cabinet could supply a third world traveling vet for a couple of month, including heavy sedation for several major surgeries.
                    But the majority of horses are at this time not kept that way.
                    You know, the horses we see posts about 'is that neglect' and 'they have not seen a vet/farrier/chiro/dentist'

                    That's talking out of both sides of the mouth. generally the population does not intersect much.

                    And of course there are those who just don't care, the horse is means to an end, throw in what ever it takes to get out what you want, then discart and start over.

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                    • #11
                      I think people do care.

                      Over the years I've had occasion to mention the issue of horse slaughter to a wide variety of non-horsey friends and professional colleages. It usually comes up in an innocuous context: during a discussion of charity work (I used to volunteer w./ a group that retrained/rehomed OTTBs), something they saw in the paper (slaughter has been in and out of the news here in IL) or something that I posted to Facebook.

                      Across the board, non-horsey friends and coworkers have reacted strongly and negatively to the idea of slaughtering horses. From my vantage point, it seems that people tend to equate horses more with domestic animals (i.e. pets) than livestock.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by johnnysauntie View Post
                        Over the years I've had occasion to mention the issue of horse slaughter to a wide variety of non-horsey friends and professional colleages. It usually comes up in an innocuous context: during a discussion of charity work (I used to volunteer w./ a group that retrained/rehomed OTTBs), something they saw in the paper (slaughter has been in and out of the news here in IL) or something that I posted to Facebook.

                        Across the board, non-horsey friends and coworkers have reacted strongly and negatively to the idea of slaughtering horses. From my vantage point, it seems that people tend to equate horses more with domestic animals (i.e. pets) than livestock.

                        sure, but those are the same people who just don't know about horses.

                        while those same people support your anti slaughter agenda (generic you, not going personal here) they will also support somebody elses anti carriage, anti eventing, anti racing agenda.

                        I kid you not, a few years back here on this very forum a member chastised the farmers here who grow their own meat for killing the animals, when meat does come in handy packages in the store!

                        Normally I tend to put that as trolling and don't bother, but that poster seemed non-trollish serious about the issue. Most of our population right now is urbanized with no clue and even fewer ties to the basic food production.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by manentail View Post
                          To each his own but I would rather NOT eat my best friends, knowingly or otherwise.
                          Horsemeat wasn't sold in US stores before, I dont see why it would be now.

                          I wouldn't get too frothy about not eating the meat... Chances are that even if you're a vegetarian you are exposed to horse meat or offal. In the form of renderings. Renderings are used in all sorts of products, including toothpaste and fabric softener.
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                          • #14
                            Labeling laws are such that most HUMAN foods do not get away with "meat by-products." Because of allergies, religious restrictions, and general truth in label laws, it will say what animals it came from along with anything else on the allergen list the plant processes (you can't just say "seafood" without being specific, for example--you could kill someone that way.)

                            As for BK et al, they would have to advertise it as "meat", not "beef", meaning they have to explain what's in it...while 99% of the population wouldn't taste the difference in a blended ground meat, the IDEA would put enough people off I doubt they'd bother unless there was such a glut of horsemeat in the wholesale market it would let them drop prices and raise overhead. It would be like using goat meat (which people'd taste more easily)--you COULD, but it doesn't make a world of financial sense.

                            And as far as seeing it in the meat counters, probably not in every market. I don't see goat around here, but it was in most of the stores in/around Boston, because the ethnic populations like it. Heck, it took me three weeks and getting there on Monday instead of Sunday to find beef tongue at Meijer. The same would likely go for horse meat.


                            Originally posted by Alagirl View Post
                            And when this comes up I don my helmet and procede to punch holes in the drywall with my head.

                            yes, most people here on this forum have a supplement chest that rivals the local GNC branch. or the medicine cabinet could supply a third world traveling vet for a couple of month, including heavy sedation for several major surgeries.
                            But the majority of horses are at this time not kept that way.
                            You know, the horses we see posts about 'is that neglect' and 'they have not seen a vet/farrier/chiro/dentist'
                            ROFL...seriously, I'm not here to put SmartPak employees' kids through the Ivy League. My horse gets biotin for his feet and Selenium because our soil's deficient, and that's assuming I know if the bag's empty and can find some that's cheap enough I'll buy it at TSC or the tack shop. And neither of those will hurt a human in meat. (In fact I have Biotin pills for ME, that I remember to take slightly LESS often than I think about buying them for the horse.) I've joked about Aceing him for his horsey ADD but wouldn't actually do it. The last time he saw bute is if he ever ran on it. I'm one of the SPENDY horse owners around here, and I don't have a pharmacoepia to make the average MLB team envious.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by netg View Post
                              Yes I think the idea of eating horsemeat is repulsive, and I also know it's probably largely cultural, though I wouldn't want to eat meat from the same type of animals I have as pets/companions at all.

                              But it's unsafe sounding to me, especially after reading the forums here! The drugs horses are given, and the limited amount of checking that the meat is safe afterward? Pretty darned scary to me. Side of meat with your bute?
                              That's makes two of us. People say that the lives of cows and pigs shouldn't be worth more than horse's but I beg to differ. Cows, pigs and other livestock animals, aren't bred to be companion animals. I could no more eat horse meat than I could eat my own dog's meat.

                              And yeah, I seriously doubt that there will that much horse meat safe enough for human consumption. I mean people are trying to use slaughter as a way to get rid of horses nobody wants! Horses nobody wants are sick, filled up with drugs until they become completely unrideable and often starved. sounds ideal for a healthy meal, doesn't it?
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                              • #16
                                Honestly, I'd be a whole lot less grossed out at seeing a package of horsemeat in the grocery than I was when I was wandering through a Piggly Wiggly in SC and seeing a package of chicken feet! *gag*

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by JSwan View Post
                                  Horsemeat wasn't sold in US stores before, I dont see why it would be now.

                                  I wouldn't get too frothy about not eating the meat... Chances are that even if you're a vegetarian you are exposed to horse meat or offal. In the form of renderings. Renderings are used in all sorts of products, including toothpaste and fabric softener.
                                  This. I doubt you'll even see any sales of horsemeat in the US. It is banned in TX. There isn't enough of a market to make the testing that would be needed, and the tracking that would be needed, profitable. It would still be sold overseas until they act on the passport requirement. I can't see any investors being stupid enough to build a SH here in the US, due to that upcoming requirement.

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by shakeytails View Post
                                    Honestly, I'd be a whole lot less grossed out at seeing a package of horsemeat in the grocery than I was when I was wandering through a Piggly Wiggly in SC and seeing a package of chicken feet! *gag*
                                    LOL...the dim sum places would say don't knock 'em 'til you've tried 'em! (Haven't had a chance but supposedly they're good if you're used to the texture.)

                                    Like I said, I would think it's like goat, which some people flip out over despite it being the same as sheep from a cute/size/use perspective. Certain ethnic areas (again, if they're stealing it, there's a market), if people want it, stores will stock it.

                                    And they can always go back to putting it in pet food. Anything to lower prices.
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                                    • #19
                                      I think the Beef Lobby will prevent it.

                                      They have far more money than anyone interested in promoting horse meat as suitable for the American table. They actively defend their market share against the pork and chicken people, not to mention vegetarians.


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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by JSwan View Post
                                        Horsemeat wasn't sold in US stores before, I dont see why it would be now.
                                        That's what I was thinking. When plants were operational before, it wasn't being sold here. They were running through what, 2006? Was pretty much all for export, for zoos, and anything that may have found its way into our stores was probably as byproduct/renderings (which we still have now anyway, so... )
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