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  • #121
    Two wrongs do not make a right.

    Janet
    chief feeder and mucker for Music, Spy, Belle, and Brain
    Janet

    chief feeder and mucker for Music, Spy, Belle and Tiara. Someone else is now feeding and mucking for Chief and Brain (both foxhunting now).

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    • #122
      For those that still have doubts about *why*, a bit of reading for you.

      Khodad Interview

      About half way down, the part about hijacking aircrafts and who the terrorism targets are is particularily interesting.

      The Guardian

      Condoleezza Rice Article

      Washington Times Article

      Times On Line Article

      Need any more?

      Thank you to those that have posted so many insightful and well thought out letters/speeches... especially the one about Wake Up America. I hadn't read them before and they have been copied, saved and emailed out to share.

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        #123
        Do not, I repeat do not, turn this into slanging match about religion or which President was/is a "true Christian." If that happens, it gets closed.
        "I don't want to sound like a broken record here, but why is it that a woman will forgive homicidal behavior in a horse, yet be highly critical of a man for leaving the toilet seat up?" Dave Barry

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        • #124
          Thank you to Snowbird and monami for posting those pieces. I have printed them out.

          You won't hear the word "c******n" out of me, Portia!

          "I can justify anything!"
          \"Riding a horse is not a gentle hobby, to be picked up and laid down like a game of solitaire. It is a grand passion. It seizes a person whole and, once it has done so, he will have to accept that his life will be radically changed.\" -- Ralph Waldo E

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          • #125
            <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Portia:
            Do not, I repeat do not, turn this into slanging match about religion or which President was/is a "true Christian." If that happens, it gets closed.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

            Sorry.

            "The World is not dangerous because of those who do harm but because of those who look at it without doing anything." Albert Einstein

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            • #126
              Thank you Nikita, very interesting reading.

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              • #127
                Now I am mad - damn protestors in Chicago!

                At this moment Chicago currently has a large group of protestors who think they can violate an agree upon plan with City Hall for public gatherings.

                This is a city that is tolerant - to a point - and works extremely smooth when it comes to large demonstrations.

                But when you shut down Lake Shore Drive (a MAJOR traffic artery) by crossing onto it, when you menace and threaten the Mounted Police (yep, I'm watching on tv), when you push the bounds of being just a noisy group then I look forward to each and everyone of them enjoying a little time in the Cook County jail.

                AP Photo Chicago Mounted and protestors

                AP Photo Chicago Mounted and protestors II

                [This message was edited by Glimmerglass on Mar. 20, 2003 at 10:34 PM.]

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                • #128
                  Yes, but at least Chicago looked like it remains peaceful, unlike San Francisco, which had nasty fights and supposedly had over 1000 arrests.

                  Just got off the phone with my SO - he's missing his "Combat Cadillac", which is what they used to call their tanks. He said it was VERY smooth, unlike the much lighter Bradleys. He said that 3rd Infantry has to be SOOOO happy to be on the move after being there for 5 months! Also, their schedule was moved up after those scuds started today. They weren't planning on moving until Saturday. Their job is to push the scuds back so that they are out of range of Kuwait, while en route to Baghdad.

                  I'm wondering when the 101st will get moving. My SO's son is with that group.

                  The 4th Infantry is going crazy, still back in Texas, with their equipment still on the freighters. They were supposed to be the group that invaded from Turkey.

                  These live reported videos, etc. are pretty cool, have to say.

                  "I can justify anything!"
                  \"Riding a horse is not a gentle hobby, to be picked up and laid down like a game of solitaire. It is a grand passion. It seizes a person whole and, once it has done so, he will have to accept that his life will be radically changed.\" -- Ralph Waldo E

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                  • #129
                    Oooh! I beat CNN with some news - they just reported about the 7th Cav (going in ahead of 3rd Infantry) going in ahead of plan because of the scuds.

                    "I can justify anything!"
                    \"Riding a horse is not a gentle hobby, to be picked up and laid down like a game of solitaire. It is a grand passion. It seizes a person whole and, once it has done so, he will have to accept that his life will be radically changed.\" -- Ralph Waldo E

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                    • #130
                      One other thing we discussed this evening was that those tanks can run for 10 hours between re-fueling. Amazing, IMO.

                      "I can justify anything!"
                      \"Riding a horse is not a gentle hobby, to be picked up and laid down like a game of solitaire. It is a grand passion. It seizes a person whole and, once it has done so, he will have to accept that his life will be radically changed.\" -- Ralph Waldo E

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                      • #131
                        It was on the news that a prime target is the Nuclear Plant Pos Verde in Arizona. Boy! I wouldn't mess with Senator McCain if I were them. He'll run those rodents to ground and catch them.

                        It appears we have had very little resistence and the Republican guard is negotiating for a surrender. We have made a simultaneous attack in Afghanastan and Geraldo was there. They have flushed some rodents out of the caves.

                        The French found some poison Ricin in their subways, imagine how could they do such a thing to such nice people.

                        God Bless America and keep our children safe.



                        Battle Scarred Veteran
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                        • #132
                          Exactly, hoppy! People slamming France for not stepping in and saying, 'Oh they do so much business with such a horrible despot.' Get real! The USA gives most favored nation status to- CHINA!!! And the Saudis are such kind and gentle folk.

                          I do not disagree that Saddam is right up there with the anti-Christ, but if it is somehow the USA's responsibility to take out all such leaders, we will be carpet bombing 3/4 of the Middle East and Africa, North Korea, China, and Russia. I have such a hard time separating one cruel despot from another.

                          ****
                          Just because you're not paranoid, doesn't mean they're not out to get you.
                          *****
                          You will not rise to the occasion, you will default to your level of training.

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                          • #133
                            I'm sure that North Korea will be dealt with, by whatever means necessary, when the time comes. Obviously, the powers that be feel that Saddam is a bigger threat right now. We are not ignoring their hunt for Osama during this war either.

                            "I can justify anything!"
                            \"Riding a horse is not a gentle hobby, to be picked up and laid down like a game of solitaire. It is a grand passion. It seizes a person whole and, once it has done so, he will have to accept that his life will be radically changed.\" -- Ralph Waldo E

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                            • #134
                              I'm not saying that I think military force will be or won't be used in the case of North Korea.

                              "I can justify anything!"
                              \"Riding a horse is not a gentle hobby, to be picked up and laid down like a game of solitaire. It is a grand passion. It seizes a person whole and, once it has done so, he will have to accept that his life will be radically changed.\" -- Ralph Waldo E

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                              • #135
                                <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>The French found some poison Ricin in their subways, imagine how could they do such a thing to such nice people.
                                <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                I didn't think I could still be surprised at the nastiness and narcissism of some of these statements. Loving and caring community indeed. Why don't you just come out and say that you'd like to see French people poisoned for disagreeing with the US?

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                                • #136
                                  I don't have a personal gripe with the French. I'm disappointed that they didn't support us, yes. But, I still eat French Fries and French Toast happily! I also love the symbol of the Statue of Liberty. I think promoting the digging up the remains of our soldiers buried there is sick. But, having said that, I didn't loose a loved one there, so what do I know.

                                  There are only a few "chosen" ones who I'd love to see suffer, and the French are not them.

                                  Ok, off to work with me now. Can't wait to catch up on these threads when I get home.

                                  "I can justify anything!"
                                  \"Riding a horse is not a gentle hobby, to be picked up and laid down like a game of solitaire. It is a grand passion. It seizes a person whole and, once it has done so, he will have to accept that his life will be radically changed.\" -- Ralph Waldo E

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                                  • #137
                                    FYI, French fries come from Belgium.

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                                    • #138
                                      I've heard many arguments pertaining to the removal of this dictatorship's regime and how the U.S. would be setting a precedent by doing this - as in having also to move into 3/4's of the countries in Asia and the Middle East. However, I liken this to world hunger - no, we are never going to solve the problem of world hunger but does that mean that we stop sending food to starving countries or stop teaching them to cultivate what land they have? No, we do what we can b/c even that little bit helps.

                                      The world will never abolish despots or accomplish world-wide democracy but does that mean that we turn a blind eye to these horrific regimes that are destroying millions of innocent lives?

                                      Does anyone think that the world was wrong to go to war with the Nazi's? Hitler to my knowledge, never indicated that he was going to attack America yet America stepped in along with many other countries that were not being directly targeted. They did this for the common interest of humanity - to stop an evil man from destroying a race of people. The same thing is happening in Iraq - do we allow this man to continue oppressing and torturing these innocent people or do we, as the race of humanity, step in for the well-being of those who cannot defend themselves?

                                      I am not implying that America or anyone else in this is being completely altruistic but regardless of the motivations - ridding the world of a regime such as Saddam Husein's could not possibly be looked upon as a crime.
                                      \"Don\'t go throwing effort after foolishness\" >>>Spur, Man From Snowy River

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                                      • #139
                                        <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Czaroes anyone think that the world was wrong to go to war with the Nazi's? Hitler to my knowledge, never indicated that he was going to attack America yet America stepped in along with many other countries that were not being directly targeted. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                        By the time USA was involved, we had a)been attacked and b)Hitler had invaded three or four of his neighbors.

                                        I had no problem with Gulf I or the action against Afghanistan because we responded to a direct attack against us or a friend, but I do have a problem with attacking a country that did not attack us or a pal first. And to those who say, 'Would you rather we had another 9/11 before we went in, well the short answer is yes. After all, that is what we are now doing to them.

                                        Like it or not, Iraq is a sovereign nation and just because we are the biggest bully in the schoolyard doesn't mean we can dictate to other countries.

                                        I was getting ready to write I wouldn't necesarily being opposed to funneling money and military assistance to an Iraqi oppostion and help them overthrow their own government, but we haven't been so great at that, either.

                                        ****
                                        Just because you're not paranoid, doesn't mean they're not out to get you.
                                        *****
                                        You will not rise to the occasion, you will default to your level of training.

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                                        • #140
                                          I do agree with you to an extent Midge

                                          I would rather have seen this war ok'd by the United Nations first. The fact that America went ahead without their approval makes me a little uneasy. It did appear however, that the UN was having difficulty being effective in that they have been attempting for 12 years now to disarm Iraq. I honestly don't know whether I applaude America for taking the intiative that no one else could seem to muster or if I condemn their folly in not consolidating this mission with the Security Council. I'm on the fence with that one

                                          However, I cannot disagree with ousting Saddam Husein from power in Iraq. My idealism in life is to do what you can and if everyone chips in, this world will be a better place. I shudder to think of how even more terrible this world would be if everyone just minded their own business.
                                          \"Don\'t go throwing effort after foolishness\" >>>Spur, Man From Snowy River

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