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URGENT ACTION NEEDED TODAY! Update: Anti slaughter amendment vote today!!! 9/14

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  • #61
    Brigit,I would rather you kept your JMOs to yourself,many horselovers have worked long and very hard to stop the disgusting horseslaughter.
    \"I have lived my life-it is nearly done-.I have played the game all round;But I freely admit that the best of my fun I owe it to Horse and Hound\".

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    • #62
      Whats the matter fernie fox not secure enough to allow more then your own opinion to be expressed on a public forum?
      Quality doesn\'t cost it pays.

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      • #63
        <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by fernie fox:
        Brigit,I would rather you kept your JMOs to yourself,many horselovers have worked long and very hard to stop the disgusting horseslaughter. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

        DITTO!!!

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        • #64
          Brigit: you are entitled to your opinion, but I disagree with just about every point you've made. Some of them just aren't true either.

          1. What's your point about the age of the horse?
          2. Check out the Columbia Basin Equine Rescue website to find out how false your claim that "feedlots are fun" is.
          3. If the AHPSA is passed, it will also be agains the law to transport horses across the border for slaughter...shooting down your "they have to travel for long distances" theory. Actually, they already ARE traveling long distances inside our borders.
          4. Numbers of horses slaughtered per year has been going down for over a decade now, and the number of horses bred have been going up. There isn't a population problem that slaughter is a "solution" for...slaughter exists because of greed, not over population.
          5. A horse is considered a pet by thousands of Americans. They are as horrified by horse slaughter as dog and cat lovers would be if they started slaughtering them. Tasteless pun BTW...plus, I have re-thought my meat eating habits since getting involved in this campaign as I think the inhumane slaughter of any animal is unacceptable.
          6. We take the right to tell people how to treat their animals whenever we prosecute owners of animal cruelty and neglect. Why should the fact that sending the animals to a cruel death by slaughter make them exempt from that same philosophy?
          7. You obviously think slaughter is humane. I disagree vehemetly.
          8. Yes, horses are livestock...but not foodstock in this country.
          9. These laws will be enforced the same way most laws are enforced. No law stops a crime 100%, but if it slows the crime down to a small fraction of what is once was, that law is considered a success.
          10. The slaughter industry has had every opportunity to clean up their act, but they put profit ahead of decency. They aren't doing what you want them to do...and no one within the industry is doing anything about it. I won't miss them a bit.

          I'm not flaming you, just countering what you've written above. I am not even concerned with changing your mind.
          Until they are safe.
          www.safehorses.org

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            #65
            man o' man...the horse slaughter issue sure does bring out the trolls, lol!

            Clearly Brigit is yet another troll who has not a clue about the trade of horses for their meat! Please dont waste your time replying to this nonsense.

            As for the vote...yes, it will not be until early next week. They are not in session tomorrow as many of the senators will be touring the damage in the gulf coast.

            Please keep the calls and faxes going! We are making a huge impact on the Hill! Way to go folks!

            Blondy,

            Here is the link to how they voted on the Sweeney/Spratt amendment
            http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2005/roll233.xml


            Gail
            www.horse-protection.org

            No Horses to Slaughter Clique

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            • #66
              Safehorses you state slaughter exists for greed. Do you feel the same way about all the other foods produced in our country?

              And what makes you think horses won't be transported into Can. and Mex. they are now. How much money is going to be allocated to prevent them from continuing? They made it so were supposed to not cross state lines without a coggins teast. Yet I personally know 100's of people that do it all the time and I've never known anyone whos been checked. Why? Because theres virtually no funds for enforcement its just a law to have a law no meaning behind it. If there going to make a law to stop slaughter whats the point if its the same type thing?
              Quality doesn\'t cost it pays.

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              • #67
                onthe bit so anyone who states their opinion on a public forum is a troll? That makes you one also
                Quality doesn\'t cost it pays.

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                • #68
                  <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by county:
                  Whats the matter fernie fox not secure enough to allow more then your own opinion to be expressed on a public forum? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                  I'm pretty sure fernie fox was just a little put off by the delivery, as was I.
                  This is no time for puns and one liners. We've waited too long and worked too hard.
                  DON'T MAKE ME COME DOWN THERE!!! - God

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                  • #69
                    Puns and one liners? I do agree though that we've worked hard and waited too long. Although I'm thinking not for the same thing.
                    Quality doesn\'t cost it pays.

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                    • #70
                      County, I don't want to re-hash this with you over and over. I'll keep it brief:

                      No, I don't believe that ALL food producing industries exist for greed. I also think it's laughable to think that the slaughter option exists to control the horse population in this country.

                      And we've gone over the whole border thing countless times...once slaughter is illegal, horses crossing the border will be scrutinzed much more closely. There's not much scrutiny now because...guess what...it's not illegal yet. No one thinks any law is going to stop any illegal activity 100%...yet all the pro slaughter people are hanging onto this point like it's such a revelation that it'll change everyone's mind. It doesn't, not one bit.
                      Until they are safe.
                      www.safehorses.org

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                      • #71
                        I agree slaughter doesn't exist to control population. Slaughter exists for the same reasons any business does. Profit and demand take away either one and the business dies.

                        But I'm just curious why you feel that equine slaughter exists because of greed and not other business that supply food products. I think your dealing emotionaly not realisticly.

                        Anmd as I asked before how much money is being alocated to patrol the 1000's of miles of border with Mex. and Can.? They allocate millions now to stop drugs and illegal aliens I'm just thinking theres not going to be any to stop horse transports. Hence this bill forces horses into ebven worse conditions then there is now.
                        Quality doesn\'t cost it pays.

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                        • #72
                          County...greed was shorthand for profit, commerce, money making. I don't see the difference...it there is one for you, great. You thought wrong.

                          Your border argument is not holding water for me...sorry, not buying it. As you wrote, they allocate millions of dollars to patrol the borders. And neither is your "it's bad for the horses to stop slaughtering them" argument...not buying that one either.
                          Until they are safe.
                          www.safehorses.org

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                          • #73
                            <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by county:
                            Anmd as I asked before how much money is being alocated to patrol the 1000's of miles of border with Mex. and Can.? They allocate millions now to stop drugs and illegal aliens I'm just thinking theres not going to be any to stop horse transports. Hence this bill forces horses into ebven worse conditions then there is now. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                            Why aren't there going to be any? Why can't the money being used to fund Displaced Worker programs go towards training border guards? Why can't we encourage our young people to train for the Border Patrol like we do the National Guard or the Coast Guard? Why can't we contribute towards scholarships for Law Enforcement programs?
                            I have two college age boys, big boys at that, that are looking at careers with the Border Patrol. There's no shortage of people looking for work and there's no shortage of funds to help with training.
                            DON'T MAKE ME COME DOWN THERE!!! - God

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                            • #74
                              Country, Now Now Go back just a few days, and if I remember correctly you called me a troll. I always thought a troll was someone who was out to just cause trouble with no real purpose in mind other then to cause arguments. Anwyay with that being said I know someone just like you and this person has no involvment with horses at all. This person I speak of is my brother, he is the kind of guy that no matter how wrong he is one is better off just sticking the pacifier in his mouth and let him think he is right. I say this cause I tend to read more hostility in the posts from the pro slaughter people then the anti slaughter people.
                              Another thing is You and other pro slaughter people seem to think the horse slaughter process is humane and if you dont feel it is how can you defend it? Why is that no one who works in a horse slaughter house tries to defend their jobs there? I wonder if anyone who works in a horse slaughter has ever had a horse if any age tug on their heart strings to the point that the horse was pulled off the line? I wonder if anyone has cared enough for a mare that they knew was very close to foaling to pull off the line and sell her to a good home. Since no one comes forward to defend their job my guess is that there is not one person working in any of the 3 horse slaughter houses that have even one ounce of compassion for the horses. And as far if the slaughter are closed eventually these people will just have to find new jobs like so many other people that have their jobs taken away. I hope the horses have another victory and if it dont go that way it will just take more work to succeed next time..

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                              • #75
                                Lildunhorse,

                                Thank you for answering my question yesterday.
                                When I pull on my boots, I know who I am

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                                • #76
                                  Safehorses I had no idea I was using a " bad for the horses to stop slaughering them ' argument maybe you can point it out for me. And yes they allocate millions of dollars for border patrol. But its for drug and ilegal alien enforcement not horses. They can't just decide on their own to stop using it for those things and use it to enforce not letting slaughter horses across 9 would you actualy want them to? I mean which of those things do you think the american public feels is more important? ) The propsed bill has no funds allocated to it. Without that theses no enforcement.

                                  gazenna if sticking a pacifier in your mouth makes you feel your right be my guest.
                                  Quality doesn\'t cost it pays.

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                                  • #77
                                    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by county:
                                    Hence this bill forces horses into ebven worse conditions then there is now. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                    There you go.

                                    The money alloted for border control is for a myriad of things they don't want getting into or out of the country.
                                    Until they are safe.
                                    www.safehorses.org

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                                    • #78
                                      So your saying that the U.S. Border Patrol has said there going to use funds to make sure horses don't go across to slaughter. Even though there underfunded now to fight the drug and alien problem? Can you show me where they have said that? Do you beleive that the public in general will be happy to hear that? Of the problem of drugs, illegal aliens, or horses being transported across the borders which two would you say should have the money spent on the most?
                                      Quality doesn\'t cost it pays.

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                                      • #79
                                        <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by county:
                                        So your saying that the U.S. Border Patrol has said there going to use funds to make sure horses don't go across to slaughter. Even though there underfunded now to fight the drug and alien problem? Can you show me where they have said that? Do you beleive that the public in general will be happy to hear that? Of the problem of drugs, illegal aliens, or horses being transported across the borders which two would you say should have the money spent on the most? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                        County, the Border Patrol is a law enforcement agency. They do not pick and chose which laws to enforce any more than our State Patrolmen or City Police. They are there to do their job and their job is to patrol the borders for anything that shouldn't be going in or out. This includes livestock, undeclared goods, drugs, aliens, whatever.
                                        Ask the public in general whether or not they want their Border Patrol to enforce the law..all of it. They will tell you "Yes, I do."
                                        DON'T MAKE ME COME DOWN THERE!!! - God

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                                        • #80
                                          <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by riverpup:
                                          Lildunhorse,

                                          Thank you for answering my question yesterday.
                                          </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                          You're welcome, riverpup, but I'm sorry I had to answer in the affirmative.
                                          It's a sad thing, for sure.
                                          DON'T MAKE ME COME DOWN THERE!!! - God

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