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URGENT ACTION NEEDED TODAY! Update: Anti slaughter amendment vote today!!! 9/14

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  • #21
    I can't get your link to open for some reason. But I agree totally about the abuse and neglect statement neither has anything to do with slaugher. Slaugher exists for two reasons only, theres a profit and demand for horse meat. Take away either one and it no longer exists.

    And like I asked if they can't make a profit selling stolen horses in Can. and Mex. how will they selling thwm here? I live a whole lot closer to Can. plants then those in the U.S. When O lived in Az. I lived much closer to Mex. plants then those in the U.S. Make it illegal to cross the border with them? Thats the funniest thing there is its not exactly legal to cross the borders with drugs and illegal aliens now but that hardly matters.
    Quality doesn\'t cost it pays.

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    • #22
      I just faxed my senators. It really helped to have that list posted here. Thank you.
      When I pull on my boots, I know who I am

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      • #23
        I just called my listed senators. Neither office will give their positions but one office seemed to think their senator was anti-slaughter. When will they vote? Today I will definitely be wearing my "until they are safe" bracelet.

        .alsua

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        • #24
          gazenna: Thank you for your reply. I don't have anybody in my family nor do I know anyone who's into the horse slaughter business.

          I want to know what's going to happen if the bill is passed. Will there be a "Black Market" for horse meat? What's going to happen to all the horses that nobody wants? Where are they going to go? Is this going to stop people from stealing horses for slaughter?
          "Common sense is so rare nowadays, it should be classified as a super power."-Craig Bear Laubscher

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          • #25
            Nikki,

            No one else seems to be answering you, so I will. Your concerns about "where will all the horses go" have been visited many times on the discussions here which is probably why no one is answering. There is no such thing as an excess horse problem.

            Slaughter is driven by demand for horse meat and not how many unwanted horses there are in America. Pro slaughter folks would like you to believe they are doing a great service by ridding us of our unwanted horses but that just ain't true. The folks that abuse horses do it regardless of having slaughter as a way to dispose of their horses currently. Like County said (and he's pro slaughter) they want the young, healthy horses..not the old, skinny ones from someone's back field anyway.

            Here's the facts: In 1990, over 350,000 horses were slaughtered a year. Last year, that number was down to 60,000 and it has been in sharp delcline for many years...60,000 is but a small fraction of the total horse population in the US. Since the sharp declines in slaughter over a decade ago, there has been no discernable increase in abuse and neglect as a result of that decrease in slaughter. As a matter of fact there seems to be the opposite effect...in states where there are slaughterhouses operatiing like Texas, there is a very high incidence of neglect and abuse as well as stolen horses. Same with Illnois where Cavel is.

            Please read this paper and it will help you understand why the "unwanted horse" crisis that is being used as pro slaughter propaganda is faulted.

            http://www.trfinc.org/news/TRF_WhitePaper.pdf

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            • #26
              I don't think abuse has anything to do with slaugher and I'm pro slaugher. Saying its a reason pro slaugher people say its a reason is no differant then saying anti slaugher people say over breeding is the reason there is slaugher.

              Neither statement makes sense. Is the reason we slaugher cattle, hods, sheep, and poultry because theres to many of them?
              Quality doesn\'t cost it pays.

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              • #27
                I am not opposed to slaughter. What I am opposed to is how they treat these animals before and during slaughter. I do not know how we will support horses if some don't go to slaughter. I would think that the horses would just go over to Canada or Mexico to the plants there. So we really will have stopped nothing but run business out of our country. We will have changed nothing. They will still be handled inhumanely. We need to change the laws as to how they are handled. That is how I feel. I don't know that I believe that this will not impact our already full rescues. I just need more info. for a better solution. I need to see a better plan.

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                • #28
                  Welp - Guess what, slaughter is illegal here in MO, and guess what I seen at the auction a couple of weeks ago, an Illinois plated, non-traditional, single loader (compliant with new 2006 laws) semi! Let's see, I don't know any horse people with a rig like that, never seen anything like it before. Pretty weird. Pretty (101%) sure killer buyer. So, who is going to enforce the "enforcers", whose gonna arrest the people who don't comply, the POLICE!!!??? (NOT), who is going to make the USDA do their job (that we are currently funding, that they don't do).
                  For the people who are pro-slaughter but see serious issues, why do those people sit back and do nothing? Oh, we'll take the evil, because we need horse slaughter in this country because (just post all of County's posts . . . )

                  So, it's okay to make them go through that if it serves it's ultimate purpose?

                  The one thing that did make me feel okay at the auction is that the old starved mare on her last leg, WON'T be going to slaughter, too skinny, too near death. A lady picked her up for $50.00 and is going to let her live her last days.

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                  • #29
                    I don't know of any meat buyers that buy skinny horses for slaugher. Theres no meat on them so why would they want them? And if there was a profit with them do you really think they wouldn't bid $50?

                    BTW when did they make it illegal to slaugher horses in MO.? I know its been illegal to sell horse meat there for years but never knew it was illegal to sell horses to someone that wants to take them to slaughter.
                    Quality doesn\'t cost it pays.

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                    • #30
                      I think thats one of the bigger myths anti slaghter people spread. That meat buyers go around buying up old, lame, skinny, and foals for meat. Fact is the plants won't even pay for horses under 900 lbs. Its no differant then any other species of livestock the younger fatter animal has the most meat. The ones no one wants more then the meat buyers is what there after the most.
                      Quality doesn\'t cost it pays.

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                      • #31
                        I did not say that the meat buyers bought her. Heck, there wasn't any meat on her to buy, NOTHING but bones. Poor thing.

                        That's what a pro-slaughter person told me who was wanting to buy my colt. He is pretty active in the horse breeding and showing business. I haven't confirmed it yet because I am reviewing this whole issue (again) (before going much further), but he said they outlawed it 2 years ago. He is the one who even brought up the discussion, I think in an attempt to bring me down on my price (before I even stated it to him), stating that the horse market was bad, and that it set the bottom dollar.

                        I will need to confirm it when I get time. According to him, and he I think does what you do, it is illegal to transport, sell or buy a horse for slaughter for human consumption in MO.

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                        • #32
                          It could be but I know up until a couple years ago the only state it was that way is Ca. and there ag department admits its a meaningless law. Theres no money allocated for enforcement and they admit a number of them go to Mex. through AZ.

                          I would think the same would hold true in any state that makes such a law unless there willing to put up the money to enforce it. And even thats going to be hard to prove.
                          Quality doesn\'t cost it pays.

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                          • #33
                            <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by county:
                            I think thats one of the bigger myths anti slaghter people spread. That meat buyers go around buying up old, lame, skinny, and foals for meat. Fact is the plants won't even pay for horses under 900 lbs. Its no differant then any other species of livestock the younger fatter animal has the most meat. The ones no one wants more then the meat buyers is what there after the most. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                            No offense, county, but I think you have that backwards. It's the pro slaughter advocates that claim that all they are doing is taking old, skinny, broken down horses that have no where else to go. It's the anti slaughter advocates who are pointing out that the industry wants young, fat, healthy horses (who could have a future elsewhere for the most part) since they make for a better product.
                            Until they are safe.
                            www.safehorses.org

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                            • #34
                              Are there breeders who produce horses with the intent of fattening them in order to sell them as meat horses?

                              If there is profit in it, would people do this?
                              When I pull on my boots, I know who I am

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                              • #35
                                Country, Why is it you support slaughter you say and know that they dont want the old skinny, sick horses? I don't understand your way of thinking at all. How can you justify and be fore the torture of young, healthy, horses, and pregnant mares? Since you seem to talk as if you are on top of everything how can you condone this? All what you say tells me that you are all for animal abuse. I just can't see how anyone can be both ways on this issue because if you really gave a darn you would also fight for the young, healthy and pregnant equines. You have openingly said that you have sent horses to slaughter so my guess is in order for you to continue to do this you have to have a cold heart and support this barbaric practice. I am sure you have other selfish reasons as well in supporting horse slaughter. There is a guy that lives a few miles down the road from me and I got a call from a friend of mine and she told me that this guy took 6 of his bred brood mares to the auction last Fri. and put these mares on the kill pen. I drove by these mares just about everyday and they were big and beautiful. there are many people in the area that are very upset that he did this. I know when I see him I am gonna ask him why he did not take the time to advertize these mares. As far as I'm concerned this guy did not want anyone having these mares because he is very selfish mined. He got in over his head and then the poor mares which he chose to breed have to pay with their lives. I know that if he would have let people in our area know he was gonna take these mares to the sale he would have been able to sell them all to local people. If I had known he was gonna do this I would have bought one of them. This is why horse slaughter is wrong it makes for any easy out for many people that think that breeding horses is like sitting on a gold mind or oil. Again another perfect example of the unlucky horse verses the unwanted horse. These mares and unborn babies were unwanted by him and I am sure wanted by others if given the chance which makes them unlucky in my book.

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                                • #36
                                  Read on a another forum that the vote may not happen until next week. This gives everyone more time to contact their senators.
                                  Until they are safe.
                                  www.safehorses.org

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                                    #37
                                    Amenment vote update:

                                    Safehorses, you are right. It looks as though the vote will not come until likely early next week. Once the Judge Roberts confirmation hearings are over, we will know more.

                                    This gives us more time to make those calls and faxes!! Please keep the momentum going!

                                    I am told by folks in DC that they have been getting tons of calls and letters! Way to go guys! Keep up the great work! We are going to do this for the horses! Failure is NOT an option!

                                    Gail
                                    www.horse-protection.org

                                    No Horses to Slaughter Clique

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                                    • #38
                                      <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by riverpup:
                                      Are there breeders who produce horses with the intent of fattening them in order to sell them as meat horses?

                                      If there is profit in it, would people do this? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                      There is, as a matter of fact, a company here in Washington State that does that. Big, beautiful drafts. They are well cared for, trained to handle well on the ground and are flown over to Japan by Fed Ex. The Japanese prefer the fresh meat, so they have them flown over live.
                                      I checked right away to see if this company, which is quite large, made any campaign contributions to our one hold-out Senator, but I didn't find anything.
                                      DON'T MAKE ME COME DOWN THERE!!! - God

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                                      • #39
                                        I feel that it is sad that any horse should go to slaughter, however I know that there are some horses that are better off there, so I support Country and all of the other pro-slaughter people on here. I am so glad to see that not everyone is alike on this board. A different board that I chat on is full of anti-slaughter people who I get into great heated arguments with. I ask you, can I use some of your arguments here on that board? Because I feel the same way.

                                        I have seen a horse that was better off dog food. Heck, she almost killed me. Then she sent her owner to the hospital. That Mare had a screw loose.

                                        Besides, can someone tell me. This bill will stop horses being slaughtered for exportation of horse meat, it will not stop slaughter entirely. If I'm not mistaken.
                                        Morgan

                                        *Let God into your heart for He IS your Hero.

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                                        • #40
                                          Safehorses, I can't tell you how many times I've been to auctions and seen older thin horses that " rescue ' people bid against each other for. Then tell everyone they saved the horse from kill buyers. Truth is the kill buyers never bid on the horse once.

                                          gazenna, like I've said before if you ever get bright enough to have a discussion without your personal attacks let me know. Until then your not worth talking to.
                                          Quality doesn\'t cost it pays.

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