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Perfect horse failed PPE :( Just a whine!

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  • #21
    You neglected to mention he was also FOOTSORE in front besides busting the flexions all the way around for a trusted vet. And 5k is alot to risk taking a chance on. Do I understand Mom wants to Hunt him? Galloping over fences in the field?

    That IS a big deal and no sense spending thousands for all sorts of tests for a big bodied, small footed, very young QH with sore feet and positive flexions. With a 5k sale price, he'd end up at last 7500 if not closer to 10k depending on the tests and number of opinions sought. And he'd still have a big body and small feet.

    If nothing else, this may have shown you that QHs might be the place to look, just not this poor thing that got the good mind but not the feet to match it.

    But no small feet. Any breed, that's a deal breaker if you need any real use out of them.
    When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

    The horse world. Two people. Three opinions.

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      #22
      No, Mom doesn't want to hunt, I was just curious if I found a nice western horse for her if maybe I could hunt it someday!

      I agree on the feet. I've never really had a horse with small feet and to be honest I kinds overlooked it until after the farrier came. He even said they aren't crazy small, but still small for his body. I guess I could take some weight off of him as he's overweight, but agree it's not worth the gamble.

      Definitely love the western type QH for Mom, but maybe need to find one who's more the ranch/reining type (leaner), and not a big ol' fattie!

      The search continues...and I HATE horse shopping! It amazes me what people pass off as "easy to ride", "dead broke", and "responsive" What I loved about this one was that he was super well trained and quiet, but moved forward to trot/canter with a touch of the leg and didn't need to be kicked around the whole time! That's hard to find believe it or not! Mom appreciates a nice horse as all she's ever ridden are show horses who've been very well schooled. So I need to find a show horse reject who's been on trails!

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      • #23
        Have you looked at QH breeders in your area? Gone to a few QH shows maybe, asked around? APHA Paints with too much white or none at all? Any of the color breeds around your area...like Pinto(can be any breed), Buckskin, Palomino? Unless these are double registered with the QH, they are not so much and can be pretty well trained.

        For 5k you ought to be able to get something pretty decent...Ask your farrier and your vet for leads as well.

        You also might want to look at Half Arabs and maybe an Ayrab...have friends with great ones that are considered too old to do anything with at age 9 or so. They have sold them for less then 10k, well under if it's an older gelding...even with Regional Championships and a trip to Worlds in things like Trail Horse they were not much over 10k for an 11 year old.

        Broaden your search parameters. You'll find something. Don't settle because you are worried you won't find anything better.

        Oh, and remember the best ones are NOT advertised, they sell via word of mouth. So open your ears.
        When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

        The horse world. Two people. Three opinions.

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          #24
          I need to get out to some shows, we have some right up the road that are pretty big. Funny you mentioned Arabs, I actually looked at one before I found the QH that I liked, but it's been in a training program all its life, next to no turnout, never been trail ridden, but was really broke and nice. I'm just not brave enough to be the one to take it on those first trail rides! And not sure how you know if it will even do it as I've had some show horses who did.not.do.trails.period.

          I will keep an open mind! Am actually going to look at a mare this week and I've usually not even considered them

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          • #25
            Consider EVERYTHING with the proper manners and training, you'll find the right one. It's actually easier when you are not locked into anything in particular for a discipline specific show horse. It's out there, waiting for you and Mom.

            And nothing is better or will take better care of you then a GOOD mare.
            When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

            The horse world. Two people. Three opinions.

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            • #26
              The halter build would concern me more than anything.

              I knew a girl whose barrel horse failed PPE big time, over a sale. So, she kept him and just kept winning. I had a barrel mare fail, she was rejected, and, you guessed it, she kept winning too. Never took a lame step but according to the vet, she was seriously arthritic. Coulda fooled me and her new owners.

              I'm probably going to get hit over the head for this, but I have my doubts over PPe's. I once heard a buyer tell the vet, on the QT, to fail the horse...to justify haggling down on the price.
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              • #27
                Yeah...but horse was also FOOTSORE when presented for the PPE...which is a euphemism for lame.

                Never make too many excuses when your gut is saying no.
                When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

                The horse world. Two people. Three opinions.

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                • #28
                  I hear you - horse shopping is tough. Whenever a horse falls through you just have to keep thinking that there's a better one out there for you. Hang in there!

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                  • #29
                    It's so disappointing when you think you've found THE horse, and it won't pass the PPE. You might see if you can find someone with foundation bred QH's if you like the QH mind (which I do too.) You shouldn't have the foot problems that you'd find with the show type QH's. Good luck with your search.

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                    • #30
                      Keep looking. I thought I had found the prefect horse (Beautiful mover and jumpre, had won at WEF) and the horse had 4 or 5 degree rotation in both front feet. My vet said that the only cause of that was laminitis, and advised me to pass on the horse, which I did.

                      3 or 4 months later I found another great horse (had been zone champion) at a lower price without the soundness issues. Move on! Remember, it's a buyer's market.

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                      • #31
                        Horse was probably quiet because it was too sore not to be.

                        If he was a show horse, had he even done much trails? Some rail horses don't seem to get out of the arena much.

                        I hope you find something even better down the road.
                        Freeing worms from cans everywhere!

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                        • #32
                          One suggestion -- try to get out of the mindset of finding THE horse. There are plenty of suitable horses out there, not just one in particular. Based on the post, I'd say the OP overlooked a number of glaring issues because she made up her mind this horse was THE horse.

                          As for horse shopping, as a seller I can tell you that I try to advertise as honestly as I can, but I get all sorts of prospective buyers, many who overstate their riding ability and skills, intended purpose, and ability to buy a horse. I even get buyers who want to purchase sight-unseen, which I refuse to do if the horse is going to be a personal riding or driving horse. Anyway, it's a two way street with horse sales.
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                          • #33
                            Wow, in this market you can't find anything suitable for 5 grand? And your looking for a trail horse??? Where are you looking??? I think you are making it more difficult than it should be considering the number of good solid sound horses that are for sale out there (and we won't mention the free ones). Also, fwiw, just using flexion tests for a horse is not a good way to determine soundness. Try having someone hold your leg up at an unnatural angle and squeeze it hard to make the bloodflow stop, hold it in that postition, and then drop it and see how well you walk off from that. I know I could never pass a flexion test, but I sure can run half marathons with no troubles. And no horse out there is going to be totally 100 % perfect, you just have to decide what imperfections you can live with.

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                            • #34
                              I'm sorry about the horse and your ppe results. My daughter and I looked at dozens of horses before we found her horse. We brought her in for a trial, loved her, and on the last leg of an extensive ppe, the vet found an ocd lesion on her hock. This mare had been a h/j horse and that's what my daughter wanted to continue to do. The mare also had a slightly unconventional lower half, somewhat pigeon toed and cow hocked, but she was absolutely beautiful with a great mind. Sadly, though, we kept our heart out of it and declined to buy her.

                              But my daughter felt a very strong connection to this horse and after looking at 10 more, I decided that the heart connection for a young teenager was worth the risk so I called the owner back and we bought the mare. That horse turned out to be the most wonderful thing we have ever done for our daughter. She moved like a dream, could jump a house but even better than that, she took such good care of my daughter. The bond they developed was so strong, it was incredible. Sadly, we just lost our dear Franka K this past week to Cushings...something that wasn't even on the radar when we did the ppe, and that ocd lesion? Never gave her an ounce of trouble.

                              So while the ppe is a very important part of the buying process, especially if you are buying a horse for a specific purchase, no horse is ever going to have a completely clean ppe. Heck, if someone held up my leg for a minute and asked me to run across the room, I'd be limping, too, but I can still run around the ring with kids trotting beside me for hours on end.

                              Sometimes you just can't put a price on this:


                              Good luck with your search!

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