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  • #21
    I recently had a horse for sale. 15hh, done a little of everything (eventing, field hunting, PC, dressage, SJ, games, stock work, trail riding, endurance). Very versatile and had done all the above to a better than average standard. I stated in the add that he was very forward moving, could spook and wasn't suitable for a nervous rider. Every 2nd e-mail stated they were nervous and asked why he wasn't suitable for a nervous rider. My reply was often along the lines of "If you are a nervous rider, but you don't mind a spooky, looky horse, you'd be fine with him" .
    I had one couple drive 2 1/2 hours to see him as an endurance prospect (based on breeding) when I told them over the phone, that despite the fact that I had done some rides and he'd qualified at them, I didn't think his back would stand up to longer distances. I said that he had a long back and it wasn't especially strong and he could be very reactive to pressure testing. They still came, did some pressure testing and said "he wouldn't cope with long distances like that" . Did they really not hear me when I said he wasn't suitable and why. What a waste of time. At least it wasn't me who had driven for hours.

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    • #22
      I think often with buyers not regarding the text in sales ad...it usually has to do with a couple things:
      1) The price is right for them and they're hoping to fit the horse to their criteria and budget.
      2) The appearance of the horse caught their eye and they're hoping to fit the horse to their criteria

      It's probably easiest on a seller to make up a "form reply" email and keep it ready to copy and paste to return all requests for more information.

      Include more information or elaborate on the sales info from the ad and give the whys and what fors in there too. Hopeful buyers tend to really read through an email reply more than they do a sales ad.

      This way you're not having to re-explain the horse endlessly in multiple replies. Just use the pre-written longer bio on the horse as a standard first reply to all email queries. If the buyer is really serious, they'll read through it and reply again.
      You jump in the saddle,
      Hold onto the bridle!
      Jump in the line!
      ...Belefonte

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        #23
        Originally posted by MistyBlue View Post
        I think often with buyers not regarding the text in sales ad...it usually has to do with a couple things:
        1) The price is right for them and they're hoping to fit the horse to their criteria and budget.
        2) The appearance of the horse caught their eye and they're hoping to fit the horse to their criteria

        It's probably easiest on a seller to make up a "form reply" email and keep it ready to copy and paste to return all requests for more information.

        Include more information or elaborate on the sales info from the ad and give the whys and what fors in there too. Hopeful buyers tend to really read through an email reply more than they do a sales ad.

        This way you're not having to re-explain the horse endlessly in multiple replies. Just use the pre-written longer bio on the horse as a standard first reply to all email queries. If the buyer is really serious, they'll read through it and reply again.
        Misty so true, that is why I don't list price and only put one photo of the horse with out saddle. This way I hope that they read the ad first. I always have tons of photos ready to send with the reply. I also have this horse listed for sale or lease.

        I also have a reply ready to email that gives the the extra info and I will aswner questions that it doesn't cover as well. But I still get people asking questions that are covered in the email.
        My life motto now is "You can't fix stupid!"

        Are you going to cowboy up, or lie there and bleed

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        • #24
          LOL, yeah you're always going to get the "reading for comprehension challenged" folks.
          You jump in the saddle,
          Hold onto the bridle!
          Jump in the line!
          ...Belefonte

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          • #25
            Originally posted by TheHorseProblem View Post
            When I was horse shopping, I ALWAYS asked these very specific questions. The reason is that despite my completely honest descriptions about the kind of horse I was looking for, and the kind of rider I was, sellers seldom volunteered this kind of information. So I would drive out to Timbuktu only to see the horse buck or rear. Or spook hard.

            ...

            Another reason I always asked is so the sellers would be on record as saying this horse doesn't misbehave in this specific way. A trainer I knew bought her first horse, which bolted and put her in the hospital. It turned out that the sellers knew about this and that was why the horse was for sale. She lawyered up and threatened to sue for non-disclosure and got her money back.

            I test rode a horse at my own barn that I had seen ridden by its junior owner many, many times. This horse bolted on me, I fell off and dislocated my shoulder and fractured my humerus, the effects of which I feel as I sit here and type this. It turned out this was not the first time, I had just never witnessed it. The trainer selling the horse thought it was something I could handle so he never mentioned it. They then sold the horse along to a beginner.
            Agree with this poster. Have rarely RARELY met a truly "honest" seller.

            Where's that internet meme about "truth about horse sale descriptions"? That was so on target!!

            Generally, it feels as if you have to decipher ads.

            Personally, I do NOT ask "does he buck, bite, etc.", but if after finding the horse is still available, and is in my basic category (discipline, height, age, location, price), then I call the owner and tell them I will not accept A, B, C in a horse. Does your horse do these things under saddle? If so, what were the conditions? What sort of rider do you feel he best suits?

            That, I feel, is very fair. I don't want to waste your time, but I especially don't want to waste my time either!!

            I think I've gone to see maybe TWO horses in my whole life that were exactly as the seller described. Two separate buying trips, different years. I bought both, one the day I sat on him (owner (ASPCA officer) found him in a field a week earlier, said "don't know much about him, he's big, he jumped out of my paddock yesterday, he won't cross tie, but he seems like a good guy all around-owner was very honest, he was a great/brave jumper, he never did cross tie or trailer well, and he was 17.3h, haha!), the other horse I bought after the owner told me I could point the horse at any jump on xc, and he'd jump it. I pointed, and he jumped. So I bought him. ).

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            • #26
              I asked alot of questions when I was buying. I made no assumptions about what the seller said, did not say, or wrote. There was only one seller who actually defined what she meant by beginner rider, intermediate rider, and advanced rider, and this was a broker out West. I found the definitions very helpful because they I could decide which of their horses I should be looking at. Right or wrong, I used their criteria to decipher other people's ads too.

              The one quality that I find so arbitrary is the temperament scale of 1-10. Fella was given a 6, for example, but he's not hot as much as he's looky and started out a little bit spooky. In hindsight the 6 was more an evaluation of his previous rider not of Fella. I can see how someone not used to a horse going OMG WTH is THAT! Might conflate that with forward or heat.

              Paula
              He is total garbage! Quick! Hide him on my trailer (Petstorejunkie).

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              • #27
                I ask "how does she spook?" I don't care if they spook, but do they spin and run away or do they startle and wait a minute, or something in between.

                I was just having this conversation with my mom, as my youngster has now tried all of the above. She is great on trails and typically very solid, has w/t/c and in all the time of starting her and several haul-out trail rides, has never bucked, bolted, reared or bit. About 6 months ago she went through a bucking thing that took a week to get to the other side of. About a month ago a mare she is afraid of picked up the canter behind her in the ring and the poor petrified thing reared straight up and took off like a bat outta hell. This morning she swung her head and tried to take a chunk out of me while walking to the barn. So, its official, yes she may try any of the above. She certainly doesn't make a habit of them, nor does she have alot of talent in the bucking department. She is young and not for a beginner, although she probably will be in a few years.
                Do not toy with the dragon, for you are crunchy and good with ketchup!

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                • #28
                  Originally posted by high hat View Post
                  You know you have a good reputation I may not be aware of your good/great reputation. I don't want to find out after the fact that your "child safe" and mine differ. I have an obligation to research the best way I know how and not asking questions just doesn't work for me.

                  There are buyers who's first priority is to sell the horse. They may or may not 'volunteer' that the horse is known to do something dangerous or something that is considered a vice. I hope not to meet them but I have.
                  I understand and agree that unfortunately there is no shortage of less-than-open/honest horse sellers. I do think though that someone who knowingly is advertising a bolter/bucker/rearer as a "kids horse" will have no problem lying to you about it either.

                  I don't mind questions at all, but would much rather you told me about the prospective rider and what type of horse was being looked for. "Any vices?" is a good question too. Or "How are his ground manners?". But I'm in agreement that the emails that ask "Does he ever kick/rear/buck/spook?" are somewhat aggrevating to answer. Has he ever kicked?.....kicked what? A dog? Another horse? The neighbor? I'm quite sure in his 15 years, at some point he's kicked at something.
                  Last edited by 1sock; Oct. 2, 2011, 06:31 PM. Reason: typo
                  The very existence of flamethrowers proves that sometime, somewhere, someone said to themselves, "You know, I want to set those people on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done".

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