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"Broke To Death" 2 year old???

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  • "Broke To Death" 2 year old???

    I was looking up a pedigree in TB pedigreequery.com today and saw an equinenow ad that caught my eye. Since the TB in the ad looks a bit like my new boy and they both have "Gold" in their names, I decided to click on it (I am not looking for another horse!). When I went to check the pedigree, I was absolutely floored to discover he's a 2009 model!!!! Ad copy:

    Broke to death moves off your legs, goes in cross ties lunges exc. mover a real eye catcher all the talent in the world finish him your way. crosses water no spook stands quiet to mount scared of nothing blond mane and tail loads and hauls great.
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    Everyone has different definitions of broke. Might mean "Will take a rider, stand for everything (not odd for a TB two-year-old, who should be used to extensive handling if he was race-trained or originally headed that way), knows leg pressure means go forward, not spooky." Since they say 'finish your way' that probably is closer to it than 'goes w/t/c started over fences.'
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    • #3
      I would think if he was already " broke to death" he wouldn't need " finishing". Some youngsters are extremely calm and unflappable and I have yet to own one! If it sounds unbelievable , it usually is...........

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      • #4
        He may also be scrawny and quiet due to lack of energy - two year old horses generally haven't developed their full 'personality' yet and I've met many who were dead quiet then, because they didn't know 'no' was an option, who then got very hot and even disagreeable as they matured.

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        • #5
          Hi there. How is Quizzie doing? Have you spoiled him yet?

          As for "dead broke" at 3 yoa: Well, my former BO once bought a "dead broke" 3 yr old pony. Uh uh how does that happen? So now my friend has the mare. In Ohio. And at 11 yoa, the mare is starting from scratch as though she was a young filly again. Beautiful pony though with great conformation and smart as a whip. And a gorgeous blood bay with lots of chrome. But wasn't dead broke back then as a 3 yr old.

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          • #6
            It's possible, but (in my mind at least) there is a difference between a broke to death horse and a finished show horse. I bought a weanling and by the time she was two, I had already ponied her on trails and through water. I had her ground driving with a bridle and saddle, and lunging w/t/c. By the time I got on her back, she had already done so much that she acted as if she was already broke.

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            • #7
              I got my TB gelding as a unraced long two year old and he had been race trained and polo trained and pretty much fit this description at the time. He is six now, is still totally non-spooky but does have some attitude at times.

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              • #8
                Generally when I see people refer to horses as "broke to death" they mean calm and unflappable with a solid understanding of the basics. Usually they've been exposed to a lot, ridden on trails, etc. It actually isn't uncommon to see ranch horses and western horses who have those qualities by that age.
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                • #9
                  IMO it's definitely possible because I think there's a distinction between broke to death and trained. One of my horses was definitely in the broke to death category when I bought him as a youngster, had been desensitized to just about everything possible, great ground manners, lovely to ride in the three basic gaits, but didn't know his leads, neck reining, etc. He was great to handle, great to ride, just needed finishing...and mileage.

                  At least where I live broke to death is considered a mindset, not necessarily a measure of training.

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                  • #10
                    I agree with saddleup. When I got my guy at 3, they said on a scale of 1-10 for being calm - he was a -5. They were right. He was and continues to be the most charismatic, unflappable, sensitive, noble, protective gentleman I have ever worked for (not a mistake using the word "for" ). I think it is a mindset and we have not give the horse a reason to change that mindset while he is being trained.

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                    • #11
                      My mare was 4 when I got her. I thought she was broke. Took her to a lesson, the trainer put saddle, bridle on her, then got on and asked her to move. Turns out the mare had no clue what was going on. Lol just a sweetie that let us do that.

                      Her son is the same way. 16 months. I put a bareback pad on him, he doesn't care. He carries the snacks when I pony him on trail. I bet I could hop on him too, and he'd just stand there like his mama. They both go anywhere/ do anything. So far anyway. Lol

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                      • #12
                        My SIL had a "Bombproof" 2 YO. She was antsy but someone was using the (huge) indoor so she took the filly out.

                        Result: Several broken ribs and pelvis
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                        • #13
                          Actually, I have had to absolutley bombproof, very well broke long two year olds. They stayed that way too. Just a "whatever" attitude. Kinda hard to get they riled enough to be responsive. Wormed and good feed, hay and still unflappable. Maybe it was their breeding. Don't know what it was/they were, bought both at the horse sale.

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                          • #14
                            Yep, that's where I got my mare. At a crappy sale. What a prize! I always want to say to people that are looking for a dead broke horse, go to the sale! lol But maybe I just got lucky.

                            And yes, she is slow. in all things. It is hard to get her moving. Always last in the pack. But at my age, that's fine.

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