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  • #21
    We've had those news stories, too, about snake sightings occurring more frequently. Around here, they're saying it's because we had a pretty dry summer but recent heavy rains. Who knows.

    I agree it doesn't sound like a copperhead, because IME they are pretty docile snakes. It takes a lot to get a rise out of one.

    Water snakes (both venomous and non-venomous) are kind of the "rednecks" of the local snake population where I live - always posturing and threatening. Although I've only ever known one person to actually be bitten by a cottonmouth, and he was a zookeeper and cleaning its cage at the time.

    Anyway, good for you for keeping your cool and riding on past! I used to board with a woman who would send her horse shooting sideways into traffic if she saw a snake on the verge! I shouldn't have made fun of her, though - I now have a horse who is afraid of snakes. Maybe it's because he's from out West, but he has a hissy at anything that looks remotely snake-like.
    I'm not ignoring the rules. I'm interpreting the rules. Tamal, The Great British Baking Show

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    • #22
      I agree with Zuzu, I HATE snakes. However, between that and living on a farm for 23 years, I've become a semi-expert on identifying them. Copperheads are fat --- short and fat. Best way to identify them. A water moccasin isn't fat, it's more "snake-like." All snakes, even harmless little garter snakes or rat snakes, give me heart attacks. However, I admit that on a trail ride we came across a copperhead who had just shed his skin. The colors on his scales hadn't been dirtied yet, and his pattern was gorgeous.

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      • #23
        Copper head snakes are having their babies *right now*. This is THEIR season *right now*.

        How do I know? I had a couple babies in my landscaping next to the house. It was too cold for them to be over reactive, but when the sun hit that metallic color on their skin, I also freaked. I was barehanded and pulling out some dead flowers. This was last Novemeber. THEN a couple weeks later pulling more dead stuff out (I was cleaning up the front beds of dead annuals) I found another one, but I had gloves on. I got the shovel and killed it, put in a bucket and tossed it over into the old hay field. I was SUPER careful each time. So I read up on them, and found out about them.

        To make this horse related, a summer or two before I went out to the barn early morning as usual, and we have a concrete floor in the center aisle, and I saw this big long brown stick right there. I thought to myself, I do not remember a brown stick there yesterday. Then I looked closer. It was a snake. So I knew it was still a bit cool, and less active, so I got the big plastic shovel and scooped it up and went directly to toss in the hay field next to us. There is a creek nearby. Even as I walked and the sun hit it, the snake kinda got a bit active, like it would if it was a solar panel. I thought what a lovely lovely snake. Hmm. After tossing, and doing barn chores I went in and did some research. YIKES.

        So to this day, I think that snake was female, and she came back to lay babies here at my house. I only found 2 thank goodness. Remembering that day in the barn is the reason why the two babies I found met their fate at the end of my metal shovel.

        OP, so the one you saw was there to have it's babies. Live ones. So be cautious of the area.

        They are aggressive acting snakes, so use caution. They do eat mice. But still . . . . .I hate to kill a snake, but after finding it SO close to my house . . . I did what I thought was the safest for us.

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        • #24
          WHY on earth am I still reading this thread? We have very very few snakes up here....

          buh bye!

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            #25
            I am guessing it was a copperhead, because it looked almost identical to this photo I found via google:

            http://hdphotostocks.dumbs.info/anim...perhead-snake/

            But it's behavior did seem more like the water snakes/cottonmouths you all describe.

            Either way -- copperhead or cottonmouth -- I really hope I don't ever have the experience again! I really, really hate snakes. I postponed a trip to visit my aunt in India when I learned that the malis (gardners) routinely killed brown cobras on her property. I finally sucked it up and went, but I had my eyes peeled for snakes the whole time I was there. Same thing in Africa - no walking safaris for me.
            Riding a horse is not a gentle hobby, to be picked up and laid down like a game of solitaire. It is a grand passion.... ~ Emerson

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            • #26
              A copper head has a vibrant coppery color. When you see it, the skin just dazzles the eyes with all the metallic color.

              They are ambush predators. They wait and then strike when food comes to them.

              When I saw the babies in my landscape, front yard, front of the house, 2' from my garage, 2' from the front walk way to the front door, I knew what they were. They had the metallic dazzle to them, and then when the sun hit them, I freaked cause I knew what it was.

              They eat lots of big bugs and mice. But still . . . .

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              • #27
                Originally posted by crosscreeksh View Post
                I've done a good bit of research on the water moccassins. For one thing...they are the only water snake that swims ON TOP of the water. They have a foul odor when alive and stink to high heavens when dead. NOTHING wants to eat the dead snakes except herons. A bite will seriously poison a horse/dog/human. MY farm, my rules, go somewhere else or you are fair game!! Water mocassins ARE water snakes and are the most agressive ones, too.
                Actually, Large-mouthed bass LOVE to eat mocassins, so I've been told. I've seen diehard fishermen pick up dead ones off of the road to use as bait out here (I live near a large recreational lake with huge bass fishing tournaments).

                2Jakes correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't there cases of 2 different types of snakes cross-breeding? I was thinking that in Texas I had heard that on rare occassions, Copperheads and Mocassins have cross-bred, but maybe it was Copperheads and a different snake, or maybe it's all just urban legend..lol.

                Edited to say that after searching the internet, it's Copperheads and Black Snakes that are said to crossbreed, but not much truth to it probably.
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                • #28
                  my copperhead
                  http://www.flickr.com/photos/5144157...in/photostream

                  he stayed veerrryyyy still -- tried to be invisible
                  Nothing says "I love you" like a tractor. (Clydejumper)

                  The reports states, “Elizabeth reported that she accidently put down this pony, ........, at the show.”

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                  • #29
                    Interesting some of you think copperheads aren't very aggressive. From everything my hunter friends who have lots of experience with them tell me, they are one of the most agressive snakes. More so than cottonmouths.
                    Yes, I know how to spell. I'm using freespeling!

                    freespeling

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                    • #30
                      Wow. He's pretty.

                      However, I wouldn't think so if I were close enough to take those pix, SGray! Yikes!

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                      • #31
                        I think I threw up in my mouth a little reading this thread. Gross!

                        My most recent snake experience was a little unnerving, and it was just a rat snake. I was pulling down the long gravel driveway to the barn when I saw a long stick across the drive. I was about to drive over it, when it's head came up. I slammed the brakes on and backed up, and there that snake sat looking up. It was so long that it's head was just about off the drive while it's tail wasn't on yet - so I'm gonna estimate about 4' long. I knew it was a rat snake, so no danger to me, but still! That long! Yikes!
                        “Riding a horse is not a gentle hobby, to be picked up and laid down like a game of Solitaire. It is a grand passion.” ~Emerson

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                        • #32
                          Originally posted by altjaeger View Post
                          Interesting some of you think copperheads aren't very aggressive. From everything my hunter friends who have lots of experience with them tell me, they are one of the most agressive snakes. More so than cottonmouths.
                          I've never seen one myself but I've heard also they're extremely non-aggressive. Rather run and hide than stand and fight.

                          I never kill snakes, ever. Why bother? it's not like they're raving packs of wild rabid animals trying to run down humans. They kill things most of us don't like having around anyway, and unless you legit step on one or corner one, they're not going to bother you.

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                          • #33
                            Originally posted by altjaeger View Post
                            Interesting some of you think copperheads aren't very aggressive. From everything my hunter friends who have lots of experience with them tell me, they are one of the most agressive snakes. More so than cottonmouths.
                            I've told this story before, but it illustrates how chill copperheads are. So I'm gonna tell it again.

                            In college, I worked at a pet store. There were woods behind the store where a collection of homeless guys lived. One day a fellow bought a ball python from us and went out back to have a beer with the boys. One thing led to another and the fellow wound up falling asleep out there with the snake on his chest. Naturally, when he woke up, his reptilian friend wasn't around.

                            So the ditzy lady who owned the pet store told the boys out back she'd pay a bounty if they could recapture the snake. Heh.

                            Next morning, when I was at class and ditzy lady was alone in the shop, one of the bums comes in and lays a squirmy sack on the counter. "Found yer snake, lady," he announces. Then he reaches in and pulls out, not a black and gold ball python, but a coppery-colored snake.

                            Ditzy lady realizes this is not her snake, but thinks, hey, it's a pretty one. Let me get the snake guide and see if we can figure out what the little fellow is.

                            Just as Ditzy Lady reaches the copperhead page in the snake guide, and goes , the snake shoots off the counter and tries to make his escape. Not wanting a venomous snake to go hide somewhere in her shop, Ditzy Lady pins the snake's head with the yard stick. Homeless guy reaches down to pick up the snake, and . . .

                            Yes, finally, after all that, the snake did indeed bite someone. But it took about a half hour! Poor guy had been grabbed up, stuffed in a sack, taken out of the sack and laid on the counter while two clueless people picked him up and looked at him from every angle trying to identify him. In his place, I believe I'd have bitten one of them before I put up with all that!

                            Everyone was OK. Ditzy Lady called EMS, who loaded up Homeless Guy and Snake and took them both to the hospital. After a couple of days on antibiotics, EMS brought Homeless Guy and Snake back and released them both into the woods behind the shop.
                            Last edited by pAin't_Misbehavin'; Sep. 29, 2011, 12:28 PM.
                            I'm not ignoring the rules. I'm interpreting the rules. Tamal, The Great British Baking Show

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                            • #34
                              I never kill snakes, ever. Why bother? it's not like they're raving packs of wild rabid animals trying to run down humans. They kill things most of us don't like having around anyway, and unless you legit step on one or corner one, they're not going to bother you.
                              ditto. The vast majority of snakes aren't poisonous, and they tend to be far more common than most people think- they just don't notice them. I'd rather have a rat snake around than a dozen rats.

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                              • #35
                                RacetrackReject - we "usually" have a creek full of Bass, but with the terrible drought the creek is down to a small pond. Now the turtles and herons dine on the fish and apparently the snakes are rampant!!
                                I AM snake phobic!! I admit it!! The only snake I don't do-in is a black snake. Last summer when it was so hot a BIG black snake decided that our cool, stone, pump house made a good place to hang out. Not wanting to kill it...or face it twice a day when I fill water tubs, I threw a handful of moth balls in the pump house. Never saw the snake again and he didn't come back this year either!! They may very well kill mice and rats...but so do my farm cats and they don't scare me!!!
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                                • #36
                                  My only experience with a copperhead was when I was hiking with a friend and two dogs. It was fall, and we were coming down a steep hill with lots of leaves and loose rock. I looked down to see that I was probably 8" away from putting my foot down on a medium sized copperhead! And she was very definitely a copperhead, the color was amazing. I simply stopped, and quietly told my friend, who was behund me, to back up & circle around, then I called my dogs away...and we all went our separate ways.

                                  Later, I consulted with my sister, who's a wildlife biologist (though not particularly a snake person). She told me that copperheads are not typically agressive, and that their bite, while certainly unpleasant, won't kill you.

                                  I don't know how I'd feel about seeing one while mounted. I guess I'd be mostly worried that I'd get dumped if my pony spooked badly

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                                  • #37
                                    Originally posted by altjaeger View Post
                                    Interesting some of you think copperheads aren't very aggressive. From everything my hunter friends who have lots of experience with them tell me, they are one of the most agressive snakes. More so than cottonmouths.
                                    well, mine stayed absolutely still while I took 13 photos from quite close up

                                    did not move when I placed sandal http://www.flickr.com/photos/5144157...in/photostream for size comparison

                                    did not move when I removed sandal

                                    I was starting to worry about him but when I prodded him he moved off just fine
                                    Nothing says "I love you" like a tractor. (Clydejumper)

                                    The reports states, “Elizabeth reported that she accidently put down this pony, ........, at the show.”

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                                    • #38
                                      ACK!!! ACCCCCKKKKK!!! Snakes give me the heebie jeebies too, although not as much as frogs, for some reason. However, one would never find me swimming in a pond with them, and if one stood up and hissed at me, you can bet I would be turning around and high tailing it back to the barn!

                                      On that note, I do live in rattlesnake territory. One time when I was out trail riding, staring up at the sky admiring an eagle, I looked down at the path with just enough time to avoid stepping on a rattle snake booking it across. Thankfully I didn't see it earlier and my horse at the time was a total steady eddy because I probably would have freaked. That has been my one and only close encounter with snakes and I prefer to leave it that way!

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                                      • #39
                                        Snakes don't bother me much unless they take me by surprise. I pick up and handle all kinds of benign reptiles & amphibians -- always have.

                                        But there was this one time while I was chatting with the BO outside the barn...

                                        I look down and notice one of my boot laces looks awfully fat -- and realize it's a SNAKE! Probably some friendly harmless fellow who mistook my boot for part of the landscape. Well, I started jumping and dancing and screaming and Mr. Snake got flung many yards distant due to my fancy footwork. No harm to either party.

                                        BO thought I'd lost my mind for a moment.

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                                        • #40
                                          All the snake species tested have had the same initial response to human presence. If given the opportunity, they escape--down a hole, under a ledge, or in the case of cottonmouths, into the water. Escape is even the standard behavior of enormous diamondback rattlesnakes, which will immediately disappear if they have enough warning before they think a person can reach them.

                                          But often escape is not possible, so most snakes hold their ground, ready to defend themselves. A difference between copperheads and the other species appears in the next phase, when they are approached. Most rattlesnakes vibrate their tails and most cottonmouths sit with mouth open when a human comes near. Even some non-venomous snakes vibrate their tails. These displays are merely warnings not to tread on them. They are not aggressive attack measures. The snakes just want us to leave them alone.

                                          So far, the dozens of cottonmouths Dr. Gibbons stood beside have made threat displays but have not bitten the researcher's boot. The same has been true for canebrake rattlesnakes although too few have been tested to declare that they are as passive as cottonmouths. The exciting news (at least for the researchers) is that the copperhead is different from the others. Most copperheads tested have struck out immediately when they felt threatened.

                                          This behavior explains why more people receive legitimate snakebites from copperheads than from any other species of venomous snake in North America. Still to be investigated is another aspect of copperhead bites: many are not serious enough to require more than minor medical treatment. This may be so not only because the venom of a copperhead is significantly less potent than that of rattlesnakes or cottonmouths, but also because they seldom inject much venom.

                                          The copperhead's initial threat display is to strike. It lashes out at an enemy as a warning. If the enemy is close enough, the fangs may penetrate the skin. However, because this is a threat display, not an attempt to kill, the snake injects little venom. A copperhead has no intention of wasting valuable venom if it can scare away the menace with a minor bite.
                                          Dr. Gibbons is a very brave (or stupid) man.

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