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  • TOO LONG TO READ ! JINGLES & AO FOR BOO BOO !

    THIS THREAD IS TOO LONG FOR ME TO READ AND CATCH UP

    SO JINGLES & AO FOR BOO BOO AND FW ``` MAY THE FUTURE BE MORE COMFORTABLE FOR BOTH ~
    Zu Zu Bailey " IT'S A WONDERFUL LIFE ! "

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    • Come on Zu Zu, you can skim through. There's been longer threads that this one.

      My color is stuck on off, what happened??? I wanted to brighten things up.

      How are ya doing?


      Originally posted by Zu Zu View Post
      THIS THREAD IS TOO LONG FOR ME TO READ AND CATCH UP

      SO JINGLES & AO FOR BOO BOO AND FW ``` MAY THE FUTURE BE MORE COMFORTABLE FOR BOTH ~

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      • Originally posted by Kwill View Post
        It's bad enough they claim to be a 501c when they aren't, but actually sending tax documentation for people to use for their returns? Yikes.

        Now that could be illegal. Tax people, opinions?
        I would certainly think so!
        "Sadly, some people's greatest skill, is being an idiot". (facebook profile pic I saw).

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        • Hijack ``` Susan P ```

          Originally posted by Susan P View Post
          Come on Zu Zu, you can skim through. There's been longer threads that this one.

          My color is stuck on off, what happened??? I wanted to brighten things up.

          How are ya doing?
          Color is back on so I am doing " GREAT " How are you ???

          How are those "fly girls" ?

          but back to matter at hand can not read this entire thread = too long !
          Zu Zu Bailey " IT'S A WONDERFUL LIFE ! "

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          • Originally posted by Angela Freda View Post
            And as to your 'stop the revolving door idea'... if the rescue adopts the horses out never to see them again... then how is that different from simply selling the horse?
            Why should it be any different from simply selling a horse? This implies that there is something inherently wrong with selling a horse. Money is changing hands for possession and use of the animal, why shouldn't clean and clear ownership be conveyed as well? I think many would be helped if the "rescues" were more like brokers, at least they would appeal more to responsible people who aren't all warm and fuzzy.


            Also, someone made a comment about FW recieving a horse she wasn't expecting - a cribber, back problems, etc.,- not readily resaleable. If the horse was marketable, the Amishman who (likely) bred him wouldn't have let him go for a couple hundred dollars at New Holland. He would have gone through Ashland or Harrisburg. Being chestnut doesn't help, but nice Amish driving horses can easily bring several thousand dollars. If the horse didn't have problems, he wouldn't have needed to be "rescued"
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            • Originally posted by Angela Freda View Post
              What a shame, as you now recognize that paperwork is useless, if those payments were made to FM. Since they are not a 501c3, those donations are not deductible.
              And they would not have been deductible had they been sent directly to AC4H either. Unless it was for one of the few horses at AC4H that actually seem to go into their rescue.

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              • Originally posted by red mares View Post
                Why should it be any different from simply selling a horse? This implies that there is something inherently wrong with selling a horse. Money is changing hands for possession and use of the animal, why shouldn't clean and clear ownership be conveyed as well? I think many would be helped if the "rescues" were more like brokers, at least they would appeal more to responsible people who aren't all warm and fuzzy.


                Also, someone made a comment about FW recieving a horse she wasn't expecting - a cribber, back problems, etc.,- not readily resaleable. If the horse was marketable, the Amishman who (likely) bred him wouldn't have let him go for a couple hundred dollars at New Holland. He would have gone through Ashland or Harrisburg. Being chestnut doesn't help, but nice Amish driving horses can easily bring several thousand dollars. If the horse didn't have problems, he wouldn't have needed to be "rescued"
                There are lots of opinions out there. Mine is that Rescue should be different from selling [I did not say better or that there is anything wrong with selling, but DIFFERENT] otherwise, why not just call it selling?

                There are many reasons to not convey ownership, and luckily there are various [legit] rescues out there with a myriad of options... some never convey ownership, some do so after a year, some after a few years... some will take the horse back if the adopter falls on hard times, or for whatever reason the adopter needs the horse gone... and in my opinion, that is in the horses best interest. I believe that because not all horseman are created equal, and some end up training the horse to be a worse citizen rather than a better one... and a horse who has learned to misbehave who needs a new home is better off [in most cases] going back to a reputable rescue with a quality rehabilitation program that can get the horse back on the straight/narrow so he is more adoptable again, rather than less so.
                Yo/Yousolong April 23rd, 1985- April 15th, 2014

                http://notesfromadogwalker.com/2012/...m-a-sanctuary/

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                • You know sketcher, when you really think about it.....

                  Brian Moore lists horses for sale on broker lot

                  AC4H raises money "bail" for horses on brokers lot. Only $25 is a donation to AC4H, the rest is a pass through to Brian Moore and cannot be tax deductible.

                  Forever Morgans raises money for "bail", recieves the money and resends the money to AC4H, but uses AC4H's EIN to give out tax receipts.

                  So, AC4H is using FM to pass money through to them and Brian Moore, while FM is illegally using AC4H's EIN to circumvent taxes.

                  Got it right?

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                  • I'm sure you all missed me while I was off enjoying the cooler weather in South Dakota (I think I now have a new favorite place!)...

                    I skimmed through, glad it looks like the original horse has a home.

                    Someone commented about rescues taking horses back when they don't work out - we do that. Our thought in this is that we place some restrictions on the adopter - restricting resales (we have a mechanism for adopters to rehome/readopt out/resell their adopted horses, so we don't completely ban it), not allowing breeding, etc.

                    So we need to 'give' some too - we do this by putting lower adoption fees on adopted horses than you might get for selling a similar horse, making sure the horse is up to date on deworming, farrier care, vaccinations, dental work, etc. (which you may not get with a free horse, cheap horse or auction horse) and offering to take the horse back in if he/she doesn't work out. If the horse is returned in the first 30 days, then we offer a full adoption fee refund. If he's returned in the next 11 months, we offer a 50% refund and after a year we don't offer a refund.

                    We're not running a rescue for us (if we did, then I need to run away now... it isn't a fun job!). We're running a rescue to benefit horses - and that means doing what we can do to make sure we have a suitable match. We also work solely through foster homes and sometimes they may not quite correctly judge the horse's knowledge/training or may miss a health problem. 30 days gives an adopter time to figure that out and also to figure out if the horse fits in well with their heard, works well with them, etc. So yes, you could look at that 30 days as an extended trial - AND it does mean that sometimes things get stressful if several adopters want to return horses at the same time. It means we might have to stop taking in neglect case horses and deal with our returned, adopted horses for a while (it has happened before).

                    BUT I have had several adopters tell me that they feel GOOD knowing they have a safety net. It gives them one advantage to adopting vs. buying.

                    So there's 'the other side' of the story on allowing adopters to return horses.
                    Visit us at Bluebonnet Equine Humane Society - www.bluebonnetequine.org

                    Want to get involved in rescue or start your own? Check out How to Start a Horse Rescue - www.howtostartarescue.com

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                    • Cowgirljenn, if there was a like button, I would be pressing it!

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                      • Color isn't working for me, fly girls are still great but need a home, Butterfly is deaf you know.

                        If you think this thread is long....



                        Originally posted by Zu Zu View Post
                        Color is back on so I am doing " GREAT " How are you ???

                        How are those "fly girls" ?

                        but back to matter at hand can not read this entire thread = too long !

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                        • "Like" button pushed!! SD does have some nice spots.

                          Originally posted by cowgirljenn View Post
                          I'm sure you all missed me while I was off e

                          wt njoying the cooler weather in South Dakota (I think I now have a new favorite place!)...

                          I skimmed through, glad it looks like the original horse has a home.

                          Someone commented about rescues taking horses back when they don't work out - we do that. Our thought in this is that we place some restrictions on the adopter - restricting resales (we have a mechanism for adopters to rehome/readopt out/resell their adopted horses, so we don't completely ban it), not allowing breeding, etc.

                          So we need to 'give' some too - we do this by putting lower adoption fees on adopted horses than you might get for selling a similar horse, making sure the horse is up to date on deworming, farrier care, vaccinations, dental work, etc. (which you may not get with a free horse, cheap horse or auction horse) and offering to take the horse back in if he/she doesn't work out. If the horse is returned in the first 30 days, then we offer a full adoption fee refund. If he's returned in the next 11 months, we offer a 50% refund and after a year we don't offer a refund.

                          We're not running a rescue for us (if we did, then I need to run away now... it isn't a fun job!). We're running a rescue to benefit horses - and that means doing what we can do to make sure we have a suitable match. We also work solely through foster homes and sometimes they may not quite correctly judge the horse's knowledge/training or may miss a health problem. 30 days gives an adopter time to figure that out and also to figure out if the horse fits in well with their heard, works well with them, etc. So yes, you could look at that 30 days as an extended trial - AND it does mean that sometimes things get stressful if several adopters want to return horses at the same time. It means we might have to stop taking in neglect case horses and deal with our returned, adopted horses for a while (it has happened before).

                          BUT I have had several adopters tell me that they feel GOOD knowing they have a safety net. It gives them one advantage to adopting vs. buying.

                          So there's 'the other side' of the story on allowing adopters to return horses.
                          GR24's Musing #19 - Save the tatas!!

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                          • Originally posted by LauraKY View Post
                            You know sketcher, when you really think about it.....

                            Brian Moore lists horses for sale on broker lot

                            AC4H raises money "bail" for horses on brokers lot. Only $25 is a donation to AC4H, the rest is a pass through to Brian Moore and cannot be tax deductible.

                            Forever Morgans raises money for "bail", recieves the money and resends the money to AC4H, but uses AC4H's EIN to give out tax receipts.

                            So, AC4H is using FM to pass money through to them and Brian Moore, while FM is illegally using AC4H's EIN to circumvent taxes.

                            Got it right?
                            That seems, on the surface, to be the story if the information posted is accurate about what FM is doing.

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                            • Here's a link to JSwan's third article in her series on horse rescues...

                              Donor Rights and Horse Rescues


                              Thanks for the info, JSwan!
                              Debbie Hanson
                              www.ratemyhorsepro.com


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                              • Originally posted by RNB View Post
                                Here's a link to JSwan's third article in her series on horse rescues...

                                Donor Rights and Horse Rescues


                                Thanks for the info, JSwan!
                                What a well-written and informative series! I second the thanks to JSwan!

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                                • Excellent series, JSwan. I wonder if there is a way to make a link to this a sticky?

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                                  • Here's the fourth and final article in JSwan's series on horse rescues.

                                    Digital Age of Horse Rescue

                                    Great job, JSwan!!
                                    Debbie Hanson
                                    www.ratemyhorsepro.com


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                                    • Look at that. FM is at it again, with another foster. Someone forwarded an email to me:

                                      "From: edited out<edit> **Note, I edited out the sender's name
                                      To: Ginny Westfall <forevermorganstwo@yahoogroups.com>
                                      Sent: Sat, Nov 12, 2011 11:50 am
                                      Subject: [ForeverMorgansTwo] FW: Rusty


                                      I need Rusty and her foal moved asap. My family is moving and I will be here alone without any help. I am putting all my horses up for sale, very cheap. I cannot take care of them any longer due to health and lack of income. I have a torn rotator cuff and eposidic blurry vision which means there are times I cannnot drive and can barely find my way around this house let alone feed horses. Unfortunately I cannot sell Rusty or her foal so you need to move them immediately. I have discussed this problem in several emails and a phone call more than a month ago to Ginny Westfall and have seen nothing being done to let people know there was even a problem. I am in desperate straits and need this mare and foal out of here. I have also discussed with Ginny the issues with this mare. I have sent photos. The colt is georgous and very friendly. He has not been taught to lead as I cannot work my horses let alone teach baby anything."


                                      They're still raising money like gangbusters for "bail" and asking for new fosters though...nasty pattern here, don't you think?
                                      Last edited by LauraKY; Nov. 14, 2011, 11:14 AM.

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                                      • Funny, here's what FM posted on the same day...just minutes after the Rusty post:

                                        "The six mares with papers (five from AC4H and one from Camelot) are SAFE.

                                        The Morab gelding is SAFE.

                                        AND the little chestnut mare from last week that looked so much like a Morgan is safe as well.

                                        Now...guys...we have a HUGE task ahead of us - first, the board is arranging shipping, QT, transport, Foster and adoption on these. We also have several great Morgans and grade Morgans in foster and need to find homes for them. We will be putting out an updated list of these very soon. PLEASE consider opening your barns up for one of these horses in foster care. We have a variety of them - in size and skill and age, and all need a place to call home. We also have a mare and foal that need to be rehomed ASAP.

                                        Suzanne"


                                        I guess only AC4H horses are worth helping...or if you take a foster horse, you are then forever on your own.

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                                        • "The colt is georgous and very friendly. He has not been taught to lead as I cannot work my horses let alone teach baby anything."

                                          First of all, what rescue puts a mare [who is in foal] with a foster who can not, once the foal arrives, work with it?
                                          That is just crazy and smells alot like 'stash them anywhere/everywhere we can, quantity saved over quality of where they end up'

                                          And there they are stumping to take more in, while another foster homes taps it foot waiting for them to act and get a horse off the fosters hands. They apparently learned nothing from this thread....
                                          Yo/Yousolong April 23rd, 1985- April 15th, 2014

                                          http://notesfromadogwalker.com/2012/...m-a-sanctuary/

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