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  • Originally posted by Finnegans Wake View Post
    yes, that is from when Boo Boo was at the broker's lot. His is a gorgeous blood bay now with an uber shiny coat!

    And now that all this has been said and done...I think I need a cocktail and a hot bath. It has been a very stressful few days.

    Thank you to all my fellow COTHers. Although we often do not always agree, you guys know how to rally the troops when needed. I went from tears of frustration to tears of joy thanks to your words of wisdom. And I am even glad the houseguests popped in for a few comments. It shows they were listening and may change things for the better.

    I am logging off and staying logged off for a while. I think I have seen enough drama for the next month!
    OP, Lyme + alcohol = not a good mix. Hot bath, yes. Hot bath with epsom salts even better.

    Glad we could help. But I fear, their "rescue" model needs some serious rescue. Don't let yourself get sucked in again.

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    • FW, I am glad that this story had a happy ending.

      It is unfortunate that things went down the way they did with the rescue. No good deed ever goes unpunished, huh.

      Seems the majority of these groups have volunteers and perhaps even founders with good intentions, but things seem to always take an illogical turn.

      Take care of yourself, ok?
      We couldn't all be cowboys, so some of us are clowns.

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      • New member here, and a member of the Board of the rescue in question. And
        it looks like I'm going to be jumping in with both feet. Not quite how I
        pictured it all the years I've been reading here, but there it is.

        I'd like to first say that I don't know of a rescue out there that hasn't
        been savaged at one time or another by someone with an axe to grind, even Jenn's.

        We have a timeline, starting from our first contact with FW, that does not
        support the story as given (any rescue, knowing that rescue drama is
        inevitable sooner or later no matter how much they try to keep the focus on
        the horses, keeps such, and anyone here who's actually been involved on this
        end of the rescue effort knows it). It is supported by emails from FW,
        along with the responses (yes, there have always been responses) to those.
        Might not have been the responses she was wanting, but responses there were. The emails supporting the timeline are both those to and from the Board and posted by both parties to a YahooGroups list that is our working forum.

        There were times that FW wanted to adopt the horse. There were times that
        she needed him moved immediately. (The latter shortly followed the former,
        and it changed upon later contact.) The neighbors were first mentioned as
        wanting to adopt him and filling out an application as far back as December
        2010; their application was received September 4, 2011, incomplete and on an old form, which along with some other issues naturally delayed the reference checking and approval process. We're still waiting for the signed new application, but to speed things along we went ahead and checked the
        references we had and called the neighbor for more. (FW knows that the
        references were checked as she was one of them.) A lot of this was no doubt due to the Lyme situation. (Several of our board members have serious, even life-threatening, health issues, by the way. We just keep on keeping on in spite of it, because the horses need us to do so. I sometimes wonder if there's something about rescue that speaks to those in these situations, it seems to be so common.)

        The request for financial assistance (made July 4, not last spring)
        mentioned no set amount, and when we followed up (yep, we have the emails) to find out what was being asked for, she said instead that she had a
        potential adoptive situation for him but that it was "complicated" and she
        would explain it later. The complication turned out to be, predictably,
        that the adopter wished the entire adoption fee waived, and that they would
        then pay for more training for the horse. FW had repeatedly tried to get us
        to lower the adoption fee of the horse for her, but when we did so on all of
        our fosters over the course of the summer, she did not act nor did her
        neighbors. This culminated in the request that we waive it entirely.
        Which, as it happens, we have, in exchange for the horse receiving the
        professional training that will help somewhat to protect him should he have
        to be rehomed in future.

        It is our policy, by the way, that the fosters pay for the day to day care
        (feed, housing, ordinary vet and farrier care) and the rescue pays for any
        extraordinary health issues and euthanasia, if need be (which we have only
        had to do, thankfully, twice, for horses who could not be saved and were
        suffering). Procedure is for bills to be submitted from the vet and we
        reimburse, if we have not already (which is our preference) set up an
        arrangement with the vet to be billed directly. (Much cleaner and makes for
        easier record-keeping for everyone involved.) We also request a report from
        the vet; this policy made it much easier to make that hard decision in the
        euthanasia decisions we had to make as we had been in the loop on the
        efforts tried before that became inevitable.

        During all of this we were working hard to find an alternative placement for
        the horse (as well as the other fosters and rescues in need, of course), via
        various lists, via our web page, via our Facebook page, etc. FW was aware
        of this.

        For this post, to keep it from becoming a book instead of a novelette,
        suffice it to say that, as someone stated earlier, anyone (even me, even
        you) can say anything on the internet. The trick is to not jump for the
        bait but to examine, to question, to see if something is presented in a way that is entirely one-sided. And, also, if someone says something about you that isn't true, to check and make sure (as we have) that you have all your ducks in a row and the evidence readily to hand before responding.

        We never stated, or even thought, that euthanasia was a solution for this
        horse, who is not ill, and who is not, based on the reports that we've had
        previously from FW, a danger to himself or others. We have NO idea where FW got that one.

        From the very beginning of the rescue's relationship with FW, it has been
        apparent that she cared very much for her own horses and for this foster
        horse. That has never been in question, and the rescue is grateful for her
        care of this horse, and for her efforts to find a good home for him - the
        home to which he is now going, in fact, despite this dust up on this forum.
        We hold no grudge against her, and we are not, as it was put, "Bullying up"
        on her. We tried to be as responsive to her as possible, however, sometimes
        her requests changed very quickly. At times she may have felt overwhelmed
        by her medical and financial state, and often would change her request, or
        negate it, when she felt differently. This made it difficult to always know
        how to assist her in her fostership. Her venting of this to this board
        seems to be part of this pattern, as it was obvious she was feeling
        abandoned and overwhelmed when, in fact, we were in contact with her
        on a regular basis regarding the placement of this horse with her
        neighbors.

        It is hoped that this will answer the questions that have been raised by
        this. It is longer than intended; however, the board felt the need to
        answer the accusations made, and to address what was quickly becoming a
        character assassination of the rescue and the board members, based upon
        supposition and innuendo. It is hoped that an airing of the facts involved
        in this will clarify the other side of the story.

        As for the rest (euthanasia, adoption fees, the usefulness of make-shift
        electric fencing in a flooding disaster situation when a horse is a clear
        danger to himself and others, all of the other things that got thrown on in
        the frenzy), those are matters that can be discussed privately.

        If anyone has further questions, our contact information is available on our
        website, www.forevermorgans.org, and we will be happy to respond privately to reasonable questions. We do not intend to engage further on this forum, as our time and energies are needed for dealing with the horses at risk. They come first.

        Thank you, I appreciate everyone taking the time to read this.

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        • dear TexasHorseLady -- you really should clear up the question of non-profit status as soon as possible
          Nothing says "I love you" like a tractor. (Clydejumper)

          The reports states, “Elizabeth reported that she accidently put down this pony, ........, at the show.”

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          • Originally posted by summerhorse View Post
            He isn't even that swaybacked from the picture they showed. Unless he has kissing spine or something like that in which case he wouldn't appreciate being ridden at all! You would think a vet would know tihs but amazingly many of them don't. Tell his new home to get him a saddle that fits him and keep it just for him and he should be fine.

            I agree he isn't dramatically swayed. I've seen MUCH worse ASBs being shown successfully. Just make his new home aware of stuff like Low back pads, and they can keep him comfortable and happy for a long time. There are several models available for english saddles:

            http://www.nationalbridle.com/product-p/1-7615.htm

            Cashel even makes one for western saddles
            http://www.cashelcompany.com/product...roductID=10358
            ::Sometimes you have to burn a few bridges to keep the crazies from following you::

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            • Originally posted by TexasHorseLady View Post
              I'd like to first say ...
              THL: A suggestion. The correct thing to say is "Sorry. We effed up. We will be fixing it so it doesn't happen again. Again apologies if we let someone/a rescue down."

              All the rest is excuses..... and blame on the foster parent.

              I run a rescue. Yes things have happened between us and adopters/fosters/other rescues. Yes it is hard to apologize if you don't think yourself at fault but guess what? You HAVE to because perception is what matters, not your version of the story.
              HaHA! Made-est Thou Look!

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              • It's Octoberfest, bring it on!
                Originally posted by BigMama1
                Facts don't have versions. If they do, they are opinions
                GNU Terry Prachett

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                • Originally posted by TexasHorseLady View Post
                  New member here, and a member of the Board of the rescue in question. And
                  it looks like I'm going to be jumping in with both feet. Not quite how I
                  pictured it all the years I've been reading here, but there it is.

                  I'd like to first say that I don't know of a rescue out there that hasn't
                  been savaged at one time or another by someone with an axe to grind, even Jenn's.

                  We have a timeline, starting from our first contact with FW, that does not
                  support the story as given (any rescue, knowing that rescue drama is
                  inevitable sooner or later no matter how much they try to keep the focus on
                  the horses, keeps such, and anyone here who's actually been involved on this
                  end of the rescue effort knows it). It is supported by emails from FW,
                  along with the responses (yes, there have always been responses) to those.
                  Might not have been the responses she was wanting, but responses there were. The emails supporting the timeline are both those to and from the Board and posted by both parties to a YahooGroups list that is our working forum.

                  There were times that FW wanted to adopt the horse. There were times that
                  she needed him moved immediately. (The latter shortly followed the former,
                  and it changed upon later contact.) The neighbors were first mentioned as
                  wanting to adopt him and filling out an application as far back as December
                  2010; their application was received September 4, 2011, incomplete and on an old form, which along with some other issues naturally delayed the reference checking and approval process. We're still waiting for the signed new application, but to speed things along we went ahead and checked the
                  references we had and called the neighbor for more. (FW knows that the
                  references were checked as she was one of them.) A lot of this was no doubt due to the Lyme situation. (Several of our board members have serious, even life-threatening, health issues, by the way. We just keep on keeping on in spite of it, because the horses need us to do so. I sometimes wonder if there's something about rescue that speaks to those in these situations, it seems to be so common.)

                  The request for financial assistance (made July 4, not last spring)
                  mentioned no set amount, and when we followed up (yep, we have the emails) to find out what was being asked for, she said instead that she had a
                  potential adoptive situation for him but that it was "complicated" and she
                  would explain it later. The complication turned out to be, predictably,
                  that the adopter wished the entire adoption fee waived, and that they would
                  then pay for more training for the horse. FW had repeatedly tried to get us
                  to lower the adoption fee of the horse for her, but when we did so on all of
                  our fosters over the course of the summer, she did not act nor did her
                  neighbors. This culminated in the request that we waive it entirely.
                  Which, as it happens, we have, in exchange for the horse receiving the
                  professional training that will help somewhat to protect him should he have
                  to be rehomed in future.

                  It is our policy, by the way, that the fosters pay for the day to day care
                  (feed, housing, ordinary vet and farrier care) and the rescue pays for any
                  extraordinary health issues and euthanasia, if need be (which we have only
                  had to do, thankfully, twice, for horses who could not be saved and were
                  suffering). Procedure is for bills to be submitted from the vet and we
                  reimburse, if we have not already (which is our preference) set up an
                  arrangement with the vet to be billed directly. (Much cleaner and makes for
                  easier record-keeping for everyone involved.) We also request a report from
                  the vet; this policy made it much easier to make that hard decision in the
                  euthanasia decisions we had to make as we had been in the loop on the
                  efforts tried before that became inevitable.

                  During all of this we were working hard to find an alternative placement for
                  the horse (as well as the other fosters and rescues in need, of course), via
                  various lists, via our web page, via our Facebook page, etc. FW was aware
                  of this.

                  For this post, to keep it from becoming a book instead of a novelette,
                  suffice it to say that, as someone stated earlier, anyone (even me, even
                  you) can say anything on the internet. The trick is to not jump for the
                  bait but to examine, to question, to see if something is presented in a way that is entirely one-sided. And, also, if someone says something about you that isn't true, to check and make sure (as we have) that you have all your ducks in a row and the evidence readily to hand before responding.

                  We never stated, or even thought, that euthanasia was a solution for this
                  horse, who is not ill, and who is not, based on the reports that we've had
                  previously from FW, a danger to himself or others. We have NO idea where FW got that one.

                  From the very beginning of the rescue's relationship with FW, it has been
                  apparent that she cared very much for her own horses and for this foster
                  horse. That has never been in question, and the rescue is grateful for her
                  care of this horse, and for her efforts to find a good home for him - the
                  home to which he is now going, in fact, despite this dust up on this forum.
                  We hold no grudge against her, and we are not, as it was put, "Bullying up"
                  on her. We tried to be as responsive to her as possible, however, sometimes
                  her requests changed very quickly. At times she may have felt overwhelmed
                  by her medical and financial state, and often would change her request, or
                  negate it, when she felt differently. This made it difficult to always know
                  how to assist her in her fostership. Her venting of this to this board
                  seems to be part of this pattern, as it was obvious she was feeling
                  abandoned and overwhelmed when, in fact, we were in contact with her
                  on a regular basis regarding the placement of this horse with her
                  neighbors.

                  It is hoped that this will answer the questions that have been raised by
                  this. It is longer than intended; however, the board felt the need to
                  answer the accusations made, and to address what was quickly becoming a
                  character assassination of the rescue and the board members, based upon
                  supposition and innuendo. It is hoped that an airing of the facts involved
                  in this will clarify the other side of the story.

                  As for the rest (euthanasia, adoption fees, the usefulness of make-shift
                  electric fencing in a flooding disaster situation when a horse is a clear
                  danger to himself and others, all of the other things that got thrown on in
                  the frenzy), those are matters that can be discussed privately.

                  If anyone has further questions, our contact information is available on our
                  website, www.forevermorgans.org, and we will be happy to respond privately to reasonable questions. We do not intend to engage further on this forum, as our time and energies are needed for dealing with the horses at risk. They come first.

                  Thank you, I appreciate everyone taking the time to read this.
                  There are two sides of course!
                  It's funny how fast your organization came to a "resolution" once you were outed in public. Have you EVER given FW any sort of compensation for her care of YOUR horse?? Even if you are dealing with Quirky Personalities which happens in the horse business......PUT EVERYTHING IN WRITING, if you are organized enough to have breathing, thinking board members, why no written contracts with fosters? Shame on YOU, for the way this went down! And for the record, I believe your organization acted like a bunch of BULLIES, that just chaps my a**

                  Comment


                  • Forever Morgans,

                    If you could clear up some of the questions others have asked, and some of these new questions, please?

                    1. Do you have proof of filing for your 501c3?
                    2. In order to solicit donations in NYS (and you have a NYS address, yet are a PA LLC) you need to be registered with the Attorney Generals Office. Are you registered in all the states you solicit donations from?
                    3. You are registered in the State of PA as a LLC, not a Not for Profit. Why are you calling yourself a not-for-profit organization.
                    4. The verbiage on your website states that people can claim a deduction for the expenses related to fostering. This is not true.
                    5. As an PA LLC, have you filed your annual registration certificate?
                    6. You are not registered with the PA Charities Bureau, why?
                    7. How is your financial accounting handled? Which member assumes the tax liability for Forever Morgans? Do you have financial statements that are open to public inspection?

                    Thank you. Your answers will help ease the minds of potential donors and supporters.

                    ETA: I ask these questions because a close friend was interested in adopting Arabella, but a search of your organization brought up confusing information.
                    Last edited by bigfatpony; Sep. 23, 2011, 10:51 AM. Reason: more information and typo
                    RIP Duff - aka The Big Fat Pony

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                    • Originally posted by TexasHorseLady View Post
                      During all of this we were working hard to find an alternative placement for
                      the horse (as well as the other fosters and rescues in need, of course), via
                      various lists, via our web page, via our Facebook page, etc. FW was aware
                      of this.
                      My question is why, if one of your fosters said that she could no longer afford to keep the horse, you were continuing to bring in more rescues as it sounds like you are saying here. I've worked with rescues that operate similarly to yours, and if a foster home backs out for any reason it's critical to not bring in any new animals until you're sure the ones you have are in a safe place. If FW was struggling financially and let you know that (even inconsistently) then why didn't you place him in one of your other foster homes rather than bringing in new rescues?

                      Also, you claim the adoption fee was already lowered this summer. Was it lowered to $700 or was that the original fee?

                      And yes, please clear up the confusion about your 501(c)3 status.
                      exploring the relationship between horse and human

                      Comment


                      • $20 says none of the questions posed to the rescue are ever answered.
                        Different Times Equestrian Ventures at Hidden Spring Ranch
                        www.DifferentTimesEquestrianVentures.com

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                        • Just in case TxHL reconsiders her decision to fire one shot and then disappear -
                          I really wanted to know about the incident Tamara brought up. I googled and figured out the name of the farm and the doctor involved (wasn't difficult) but won't post them here since apparently the Mods deleted these references from Tamara's post.
                          That incident, more than anything FW posted, made me think your organization was irresponsible. I could kind of see how y'all might not want to waive your adoption fee (I'm sure you have bills like everyone else) - but the other? Wow.
                          I'm not ignoring the rules. I'm interpreting the rules. Tamal, The Great British Baking Show

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                          • But keep digging a deeper hole, we could use the entertainment!

                            Comment


                            • I deleted the farm name in my original post from the old email so far as I can tell the Mods have not fiddled with it whatsoever...I posted the Federal Court case here for people to read back in the spring as the judge said that this was going to enter into a brave new world of running amok on the Internet now being actionable...
                              Tamara



                              Originally posted by pAin't_Misbehavin' View Post
                              Just in case TxHL reconsiders her decision to fire one shot and then disappear -
                              I really wanted to know about the incident Tamara brought up. I googled and figured out the name of the farm and the doctor involved (wasn't difficult) but won't post them here since apparently the Mods deleted these references from Tamara's post.
                              That incident, more than anything FW posted, made me think your organization was irresponsible. I could kind of see how y'all might not want to waive your adoption fee (I'm sure you have bills like everyone else) - but the other? Wow.
                              Production Acres,Pro A Welsh Cobs
                              I am one of the last 210,000 remaining full time farmers in America.We feed the others.

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                              • my post from july 9...


                                Roy et al.

                                In case you are worried about my posts let me give you a little background.

                                Some weeks ago my husband was subpoenaed to a case in FEDERAL court involving a less than reputable person breeding horses and their lawsuit against a person out of state who claimed all sorts of things about them on the internet.

                                Now let it be said that we had no personal regard for this person,were glad to be rid of them as a customer, but were compelled by summons to go.

                                Some of the things the out of state person claimed online was that the horses were starving,would be dead in three weeks,had no hay (this is where we got stuck in the middle of it) and so on.

                                Well,she was buying a semi load of really nice hay a month from us.The out of staters even called and asked to buy a load of hay "for her".My husband having no idea what was going on "out there" said "She wants another one so soon?We just sent one Friday" <????>

                                Anyway FFWD two full years to Federal Court.His Honor found that while the horses were not devalued by the chatter (which was claimed) and that while the person acted out of genuine concern for the horses and not malice (that was the libel slander bit) the whole affair certainly caused the horses' owner pain and suffering and he AWARDED HER $7500 for that.

                                Now I try to tell people when these discussions arise, about this case as a warning to tone it back because, real or imaginary claims not withstanding, this case has set a precedent.Something I would have not believed had I not been in the middle of it.

                                regards,
                                Tamara Howard
                                Production Acres,Pro A Welsh Cobs
                                I am one of the last 210,000 remaining full time farmers in America.We feed the others.

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                                • Originally posted by TexasHorseLady View Post

                                  There were times that FW wanted to adopt the horse. There were times that
                                  she needed him moved immediately. (The latter shortly followed the former,
                                  and it changed upon later contact.) The neighbors were first mentioned as
                                  wanting to adopt him and filling out an application as far back as December
                                  2010; their application was received September 4, 2011, incomplete and on an old form, which along with some other issues naturally delayed the reference checking and approval process. We're still waiting for the signed new application, but to speed things along we went ahead and checked the
                                  references we had and called the neighbor for more. (FW knows that the
                                  references were checked as she was one of them.)
                                  I am always baffled by the amount of paperwork people seem to think is necessary in these situations. I don't understand why you need a billion references, either. Wouldn't your foster home, and say one other person, suffice? You had the ability to place a horse that was marginally adoptable, and you dragged your feet over procedural nonsense (old form! what are you, the IRS?).

                                  A lot of this was no doubt due to the Lyme situation. (Several of our board members have serious, even life-threatening, health issues, by the way. We just keep on keeping on in spite of it, because the horses need us to do so. I sometimes wonder if there's something about rescue that speaks to those in these situations, it seems to be so common.)
                                  Low blow to say "everyone else is really ill" and she is too sick to be rational. Why would you even write this? It's quite condescending.

                                  The request for financial assistance (made July 4, not last spring)
                                  mentioned no set amount, and when we followed up (yep, we have the emails) to find out what was being asked for, she said instead that she had a
                                  potential adoptive situation for him but that it was "complicated" and she
                                  would explain it later. The complication turned out to be, predictably,
                                  that the adopter wished the entire adoption fee waived, and that they would
                                  then pay for more training for the horse. FW had repeatedly tried to get us
                                  to lower the adoption fee of the horse for her, but when we did so on all of
                                  our fosters over the course of the summer, she did not act nor did her
                                  neighbors. This culminated in the request that we waive it entirely.
                                  Which, as it happens, we have, in exchange for the horse receiving the
                                  professional training that will help somewhat to protect him should he have
                                  to be rehomed in future.
                                  Follow the money: your organization got people to donate money that is not tax deductible (you aren't a 501c3), to pay AC4H, a horse broker, for this horse, got someone else to keep it for a year, and then held out to resell the horse rather than give it away. Or do I not have that right?

                                  Why didn't you just give the horse away a long time ago? You had some people that wanted him, so do a quick check to make sure it's not a scam to resell him or send him on the truck, and move on.

                                  You state several times that FW did not want the horse, but no one in your organization hooked up a trailer and came and got the horse, right then. Why not? Clearly your foster home was having some issues. Take the horse to another place, if you have any doubts about the stability of a foster placement, and then sort it out. No one did that.

                                  I am glad the little horse landed on his feet.

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                                  • I will have to access my PACER account for the case number so this will be a few minutes :>

                                    Tamara
                                    Production Acres,Pro A Welsh Cobs
                                    I am one of the last 210,000 remaining full time farmers in America.We feed the others.

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                                    • 2:08-cv-00342 Flower v. Loncosky et al
                                      Dennis H Inman presiding

                                      in the East TN Federal court in Greenville TN
                                      case settled 4/25/11


                                      Tamara
                                      Production Acres,Pro A Welsh Cobs
                                      I am one of the last 210,000 remaining full time farmers in America.We feed the others.

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                                      • I want to add, with all the reference checking and paperwork, when your FOSTER home said they could no longer take care of this horse, you did nothing about it. She was very reliable, of course, but still, if a horse seems like it's in any marginal situation, I would have pulled that horse out.

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                                        • Hmmm...The spin doctor has come to the rescue..heehee....I am sure it took some time to make sure just the right wording was used to try to take the edge off of this rescue's inability to handle this situation in a timely manner.....I have to agree with Chester's Mom....An apology can go a long way.....AND it is in the best interest of your organization to offer one.....A little humble pie is in order.....

                                          The cornerstone of your type of organization relies on the good nature and generosity of others to keep things going......I see that all of the BOD members reside in different states across the country, yet none seem to be in PA, where you are getting these horses from.....Is that correct?......How does that work exactly and do any of the BOD have the ability to take in any of these horses even temporarily or are you mainly a phone tree kind of organization?....I can't wrap my head around the fact that there doesn't appear to be a "home base" for these horses to fall to that you go out and solicit funds for.....I would think that there are times when the organization has to use a boarding facility from time to time....

                                          I am hopeful that it was with good intentions and not ego that you formed your organization, but with all ventures sometimes the plan needs tweeking.....and a reality check......

                                          OP, glad to hear that Boo-Boo will have a soft landing....
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