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  • promoting sale/breeding of grade horses as "papered" or "registered"

    Want to sell your grade horse as "registered" & "with papers" and convince buyers he's worth more? You can now be the proud owner of a "papered" horse.

    Want to breed & sell registered foals but don't want the hassle of finding breeding stock of known backgrounds? Want to enjoy the prestige of being a fancy-schmancy breeder of registered horses... but on a $100 fugly-broodmare-at-auction budget? Well, have I found a deal for you!

    For only $15, you can now register any mixed-breed, Heinz 57 horse you like! And seeing as how there is such a shortage right now for grade horses, I thought I'd share the link:

    http://www.gradedrafthorseregistry.com/
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    you know, I have a similar issue..

    the promoting of a horse as something it's not or without proof(as in papers)..

    I've been encountering this alot lately and its starting wear on me abit.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by spinandslide View Post
      you know, I have a similar issue..

      the promoting of a horse as something it's not or without proof(as in papers)..

      I've been encountering this alot lately and its starting wear on me abit.

      Me, too! I inquired about a horse for sale not long ago. Advertised as a "wb" ... no breed/registry/parent information. The breed is neither here nor there for my purposes, but the sellers said they had no information about the horse's parentage. I commented that the price point was a bit high for the horse's training and status as a grade horse. The response: "shes not a grade horse shes a wb [sic]."

      I lost interest.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by philosoraptor View Post
        For only $15, you can now register any mixed-breed, Heinz 57 horse you like! And seeing as how there is such a shortage right now for grade horses, I thought I'd share the link:

        http://www.gradedrafthorseregistry.com/
        But you have to be a draft cross. My registry will be much better.

        STAHAR (Say, That's a Horse, All Right) will only require equine ancestry somewhere in the animal's past, four legs, a mane, and a tail. Because every horse is a STAHAR, you know.

        Also, I have always thought equine registries were rather inclusive and elitist by not allowing other animals with four legs, a mane and a tail to register. So I will also offer a lower book for animals who deserve to be papered equines but just can't meet my stringent pedigree requirements.

        It will be awesome. And cheap, since I don't have to worry about scheduling inspections or anything like that. The owner just needs to pinky swear that their animal meets our requirements.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by HappyVagrant View Post
          Also, I have always thought equine registries were rather inclusive and elitist by not allowing other animals with four legs, a mane and a tail to register. So I will also offer a lower book for animals who deserve to be papered equines but just can't meet my stringent pedigree requirements.
          Hey, my Basenjis can trot out just like horses. Do they qualify? Will there be a special Kewl Kolor designation for the brindle one?

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          • #6
            If you're doing it for proof of ownership type stuff (like what the About Us section says the registry is mainly for) then I could certainly see a purpose for it. Otherwise... not really.
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            • #7
              Now, now, this kind of thing is common and a necessity at the beginnings of a breed.

              For WB *registries* (some not properly "breed associations" by other breed association standards), this kind of document is a "certificate of pedigree." It states and guarantees ancestry... as far back as it is known. "Pinky swearing" has all anyone before things like videotaped services and (later) DNA testing.

              In this late moment-- it's not 1880 anymore-- I don't know why anyone would value papers showing a rather short pedigree for a grade horse. Actually, and knowing something about the 19th-century history of breed associations, there is a reason someone would care: It the parents and relatives were local animals and individually impressive, the certificate of pedigree would have value.
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              • #8
                For $33.95, you can purchase a pre-loaded syringe which contain a pre- registered microchip. This is a national registry for all horses.

                Breed registry does not prove ownership. A chestnut 15.2 horse with a star is just like any other chestnut 15.2 hand horse with a star.

                A micro-chipped horse, has no obvious markings but that microchip will always be there, and readable.

                I've seen lost dogs recovered, and Stolen Horse International-Net Posse descriptions all ask about them. That is a group that has access to my email. I'm neither a buyer nor seller, but it's good to be aware.

                So the best of luck to Them and their Registry, but were I looking to be able to identify a horse, I'd go for the microchip.
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                  [QUOTE=merrygoround;5790778]
                  Breed registry does not prove ownership. A chestnut 15.2 horse with a star is just like any other chestnut 15.2 hand horse with a star.

                  QUOTE]

                  So true. My TB has a JC tattoo but doesn't even sound much like his description. Much better to have something more easily definitive.
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                  • #10
                    It doesn't prove ownership, but it can help. I know the last time I had a brand inspection done the inspector accepted registration papers in my name as well as about a year's worth of vet records as proof of my ownership of a particular horse (he was a gift from the owner of the farm I used to manage, and she died before we ever got around to a formal bill of sale and brand transfer). For states without a brand inspection law it seems like it could be even more important, but I have never lived in one so I might be wrong.

                    I do have a problem if people are using these kinds of registries to swindle newbies out of more money by claiming the animal is some sort of valuable registered stock, but if it's just to help track ownership that's fine with me. Not to mention that, ignoring the legal aspect since it may or may not help there, it can provide a valuable service by providing an easily referenced history for potential owners. I do have to admit that if I were looking at 2 identical grade horses (as if that ever happens, but just a hypothetical here) I'd probably go for the registered one so I could at least get an idea of past owners.

                    It strikes me as kind of like the donkey registry I registered my Donny with. We have no idea of his breeding--we picked him up from the feedlot 2 days before he would have shipped to Mexico, and all we know about him and his buddies was that they came from somewhere "back east" (we're in NM, so that's a large chunk of country). I felt it was valuable to register him both for the non-breeding benefits of a registry (magazines, shows, information, etc.) and also so that if I ever sell him (as unlikely as that is ) I can track future owners and they can find me if they need information or want to rehome him with someone from his past. His new buddy is arriving tomorrow and I'll be registering her as well, even though her background is similarly unknown.

                    Now, granted donks are a bit different as the actual breeds tend to be pretty specialized and most are just generic donkeys (as opposed to the many common horse breeds) but the benefits of registering a grade horse seem the same to me.
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                    • #11
                      If all that is required is the ability to take a picture of a horse, why bother paying to register one. It seems that most horse owners cannot manage to execute a transfer of ownership in real registries, so how would a really bad one help anybody ?

                      Besides - grade means unregistered, so this is a registry of unregistered horses. REALLY DOPEY.
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