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"Look, Ma - NO hands!"...or helmet

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  • "Look, Ma - NO hands!"...or helmet

    Another CL head shake, here...

    "Xxxxx Xxxx Equine Center is offering European style riding lessons for children any age. We give kids the confidence of riding without saddle, stirrups and hands free. Most kids start to trott after the second lesson. Our method teaches confidence, no fear, trust in the horse, skill, recognition of technique, posture, pride and balance as well as the ability to use the proper muscles. We have pictures to show what just 10 lessons accomplish. Check us out at xxxxxxxxx.xxx orcontact us through craigslist or you may call xxx-xxx-xxxx..."

    The ad goes on to say payment is in feed (listing the type(s) needed), because it's a rescue; it's in desperate need of volunteers; and it leases out rescue horses.

    Here's the only pic in the ad. 'Nuff said...except, hope they have a great insurance policy.
    http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/a...84b2601e5d.jpg
    Is it me or do 99.9% of cowboys just look better with their hats on?
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    You know, all of the European instructors I've had have had me ride with both and saddle AND using my hands.

    Must be a different part of Europe.

    And I'd bet there's no insurance right there...........oy vey. Scary to think there are people that are going to pay for that!

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    • #3
      Lol, I wonder what possessed them to call those "European Style Lessons"!

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      • #4
        Hmmmm
        The only way any of my horses, past or present, "trott-ed" was at the end of a lunge line, as in "trrottttt".

        Oh goodie, they lease out their rescue horses.

        Oh double goodie, my kiddo can git Eu-ro-peen ridin' lessns sans helmet et al.


        Another classic head-desk ad.

        Perhaps some paramedics will volunteer to cover all aspects of this program?

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          #5
          Oh, how y'all are making me laugh!
          Is it me or do 99.9% of cowboys just look better with their hats on?
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          • #6
            I just had a @$# fit at the barn the other day when a new boarder was parading her toddler (smaller than my 3 yo granddaughter) on her horse, no saddle, no helmet and she was leading her horse at her head. Nobody with a hand on the kid. Gah!!! I was not very nice in welcoming her to the barn I guess when my first words were :"Would be nice to see a helmet on that kid!", to which she replied "Oh I have one at home"... great help it will be!!
            She complained to the BO who had her sign a release and told her, as a parent, "she should know better." and told me to look the other way!!!

            Fine, but don't expect ME to go out of my way if she has her kid up there. I will go about my business and if the mare spooks... too bad so sad!! BO said "My SO gives his kids pony rides w/o helmets as well". Yeah, well I don't see him suing himself, do you?

            A bunch of new boarders have invaded the barn and it's been hell. Every time I go, I see something stupid ie taking kids into a field w/ 6 unknown horses, flip flops, feeding grain to one horse into same 6 horse field; kids running in aisle; jumping w/o helmets; one girl "breaking" her horse... literally!! I feel so bad for that poor horse, so sweet, now on stall rest for God knows how long with a tendon injury (He jumped out of the ring when she was "free lunging him" ie chasing him on wet grass - 3 yo).

            My granddaughter is starting pony club this month and I am so relieved that all the safety equipment/measures seem to be in place (according to the website). Her mother never wore a helmet in her life (except when she rode our horse) so I was worried.

            Convinced people need a license to own animals or have children!!!
            Vent over.

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            • #7
              The lack of helmet bothers me, but then as I live in TX and the majority of people seem to not possess a helmet, I just sigh at that one.

              The no hands doesn't bother me at all. Really, none of you learned to ride from your seat. Your hands should pretty much be superfluous if you have a decent seat and ride back-to-front as you should. Would I ride around with my hands in the air - no, because it probably is knocking her balance off - but this advert isn't an "OMG she's going to die!" moment for me.

              And, having been born and brought up in Europe, actually many of my lessons were no hands.

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                Originally posted by Kate66 View Post
                ...The no hands doesn't bother me at all. Really, none of you learned to ride from your seat. Your hands should pretty much be superfluous if you have a decent seat and ride back-to-front as you should. Would I ride around with my hands in the air - no, because it probably is knocking her balance off - but this advert isn't an "OMG she's going to die!" moment for me.

                And, having been born and brought up in Europe, actually many of my lessons were no hands.
                Never said it was an "OMG she's going to die moment". And, plenty of us have had longe-line lessons without hands and/or stirrups. I highly doubt ANY of us first started riding that way, however.

                Hmmm...so, you see no issue starting any child on a horse, sans saddle? Expecting it to sit a trot...quite possibly after the 2nd lesson? Perhaps the ad is misworded and the saddleless, handless riding comes AFTER many, many lessons in full tack? Hard to say just going by the ad.

                I dunno - I never took that chance with any of my own kids when they were first learning to ride...nor the ones I taught riding to at summer camp. I still require my 15-yr old DD to wear a helmet, handless/saddleless riding or not.
                Last edited by KSAQHA; Aug. 18, 2011, 03:23 PM. Reason: spelling
                Is it me or do 99.9% of cowboys just look better with their hats on?
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                • #9
                  I would presume that by "european style" the poster means the European tradition (especially in Germany) of riding students learning the basics of equestrian vaulting - which is strictly done on a lungeline with the longueur controlling the horse and the vaulter focusing on seat, balance, etc. (and learning to dismount - i.e. "fall" off a moving horse safely). None of this is done with reins, stirrups, or a helmet (though helmets are introduced when the rider moves on to other disciplines and controlling the horse on its own). This practice is said to be much better at learning safety and developing an independent seat. Not sure about this *particular* interpretation of "European style* though - but that's what they're trying to get at.

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                  • #10
                    Oh, and in vaulting - one would NEVER get on the back of a horse where there was danger of falling into panels like in the picture! OMG.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Kate66 View Post
                      The lack of helmet bothers me, but then as I live in TX and the majority of people seem to not possess a helmet, I just sigh at that one.

                      The no hands doesn't bother me at all. Really, none of you learned to ride from your seat. Your hands should pretty much be superfluous if you have a decent seat and ride back-to-front as you should. Would I ride around with my hands in the air - no, because it probably is knocking her balance off - but this advert isn't an "OMG she's going to die!" moment for me.

                      And, having been born and brought up in Europe, actually many of my lessons were no hands.
                      I'm the poster child for no hands and riding off my seat... Just look at the pic in my sig... However, I'm also the poster child for "Idiots who should put on a helmet" in that pic... which I need to retake with a helmet since I decided 6 months ago to always wear it because I like my brain.

                      ETA: No one ever told me I was riding European style

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                      • #12
                        Back in riding old school in New York, our instructor always taught lessons starting from the ground up including how to mount without a saddle/bridle, sitting forwards and spinning around backwards on a horse to learn balance, riding without a saddle nor reins at first - hands out to the side or held in the front as if you had reins, etc. It made better riders and better horsepersons.

                        I had a conversation the other day with another COTHer about this new school of instruction: when the going gets tough..................just bail. Bouncy ride? Bail. Horse throws a kick? Bail. Horse crow-hops? Bail.


                        Someone should correct the poster of the ad. Their ad says no saddle, etc. but then you see the picture.................
                        If wishes were horses then beggars would ride...
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by KSAQHA View Post
                          Never said it was an "OMG she's going to die moment". And, plenty of us have had longe-line lessons without hands and/or stirrups. I highly doubt ANY of us first started riding that way, however.
                          Actually that is exactly how I started, and I think another poster did too. Had to have a helmet every time, but first lesson was just grooming and tacking up safely. Next lesson was bareback and I believe I trotted first lesson. Did not get a saddle until months later and no stirrups for about a year. I begged for stirrups, and when I got them I begged to get rid of them. I learned great balance though!
                          \"I never play horseshoes \'cause Mother taught us not to throw our clothes around,\" ~ Mr. Ed

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