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  • #81
    This sale just went and an update is that they had MANY horses far under 500.00.

    Its a shame that in a drought and close to Texas we are breeding horses like this... (shakes head)

    If its so important to have a breeding program I would assume that its not going to payback much without some actual thought behind it rather than draft crosses that are huge and ridable...

    Im near this place, and Im a bit irritated that you have a breeding program in a state where grade horses are given away every day... Helk even nice horses are given away everyday!
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    • #82
      Originally posted by SpotznStripes View Post
      really I just don't want anyone to have their lives ruined by a traumatic brain injury that could have been prevented, as there is no safe way to ride a horse...
      What you want or don't want is really quite irrelevant when it comes to others taking care of themselves. It is frankly none of your business.


      Originally posted by SpotznStripes View Post
      and no I don't want to be the one at the barn/show whatever calling 911 and having a heart attack in the process because I don't know how to help you until the ambulance arrives.
      You have feet. Let them carry you away then.

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      • #83
        Originally posted by NOMIOMI1 View Post
        This sale just went and an update is that they had MANY horses far under 500.00.

        Its a shame that in a drought and close to Texas we are breeding horses like this... (shakes head)

        If its so important to have a breeding program I would assume that its not going to payback much without some actual thought behind it rather than draft crosses that are huge and ridable...


        Im near this place, and Im a bit irritated that you have a breeding program in a state where grade horses are given away every day... Helk even nice horses are given away everyday!
        well, considering that most of the horses were conceived 5 years ago, I expect the prices then warranted breeding.

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        • #84
          Originally posted by NOMIOMI1 View Post
          This sale just went and an update is that they had MANY horses far under 500.00.

          Its a shame that in a drought and close to Texas we are breeding horses like this... (shakes head)

          If its so important to have a breeding program I would assume that its not going to payback much without some actual thought behind it rather than draft crosses that are huge and ridable...

          Im near this place, and Im a bit irritated that you have a breeding program in a state where grade horses are given away every day... Helk even nice horses are given away everyday!
          Originally posted by Alagirl View Post
          well, considering that most of the horses were conceived 5 years ago, I expect the prices then warranted breeding.
          I live pretty close to Angloa as well. From what I understand, they DO have a "plan" and have put some thought behind their breeding program. They are breeding large even tempered horses mainly for use as police and prison horses but with hope that some will make good "sport" horses.

          Alagril is right about the horses sold this year- they were mstly 5 years and older so they were bred 5 years ago when the market outlook was better.

          From what I understand, they have not bred as many horses in recent years as they had in the past.

          And really, the Angola Horses are not just "grade" horses with unknown parentage. The sires and dams are all registered horses- Dutch Warmblood, Percheron, TB or QH.

          The Angloa breeding program does not irritate me, I just wish they would do some training in harness and not just under saddle before putting them up for sale. I could USE a driving horse prospect, but have no interest in a "sport" horse.

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          • #85
            Originally posted by bayou_bengal View Post
            I live pretty close to Angloa as well. From what I understand, they DO have a "plan" and have put some thought behind their breeding program. They are breeding large even tempered horses mainly for use as police and prison horses but with hope that some will make good "sport" horses.

            Alagril is right about the horses sold this year- they were mstly 5 years and older so they were bred 5 years ago when the market outlook was better.

            From what I understand, they have not bred as many horses in recent years as they had in the past.

            And really, the Angola Horses are not just "grade" horses with unknown parentage. The sires and dams are all registered horses- Dutch Warmblood, Percheron, TB or QH.

            The Angloa breeding program does not irritate me, I just wish they would do some training in harness and not just under saddle before putting them up for sale. I could USE a driving horse prospect, but have no interest in a "sport" horse.


            Breeding Dutch warmbloods, percherons, tb's, and Qh's , all under one roof and having NONE of them with recognized ANYTHING, is a problem even 5 years ago IMO

            I've done AQHA, APHA, Appy's, Arabs, sport horses, dressage, jumping, and much more... I havnt seen anything go through the sale yet that fits ANY catagory other than big and ridable...

            You call them sport horses all day long, but what have they done? What have any of their parents done?

            The police force can get horses anywhere, you dont need a breeding program for the mounted departments... Good NESS.
            ~~Member of the TB's Rule Clique ~~
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            • #86
              Originally posted by NOMIOMI1 View Post
              Breeding Dutch warmbloods, percherons, tb's, and Qh's , all under one roof and having NONE of them with recognized ANYTHING, is a problem even 5 years ago IMO

              I've done AQHA, APHA, Appy's, Arabs, sport horses, dressage, jumping, and much more... I haven't seen anything go through the sale yet that fits ANY category other than big and ridable...

              You call them sport horses all day long, but what have they done? What have any of their parents done?

              The police force can get horses anywhere, you don't need a breeding program for the mounted departments... Good NESS.
              You are entitled to your opinion. I am entitled to mine. And, no, police forces cannot get their horses from just "anywhere" as a rule. A well-run mounted patrol looks for a certain "kind or type" of horse these days.

              They want horses with the height of a TB but without the fiery temperament, the heft of a draft and the gentle, willing disposition, but with a bit more "get up and go" that a full blooded draft.

              If you know so much about the Angola horses and breeding program, then you know that until last year, most of the horses produced at Angola were used by the Louisiana prison system or sold to mounted police units throughout the US.

              The horse program doesn't exist only to produce horses, it is part of the offender rehabilitation program designed to allow offenders to learn skills thay can use to get a job once they have served their sentences. The prison system also has a program to train offienders as farriers as well as to train them to work with horses.

              Before Angola started doing the auctions (just last fall 2010), people could only get one by buying a retired Angola horse being sold by its mounted officer- the guards and other prison employees were allowed to buy Angola horses sometimes in certain circumstances, and some would re-sell them after a few years.

              I believe it is because of a decrease in demand by law enforcement because many cities are disbanding their mounted police units, that the Angola officials decided to begin holding the auctions. They also were getting inquiries from people wanting to know how or where they could buy an Angola horse.

              I don't call them "sport horses" that is what the people that use these crossbreeds call them. I have only Walking Horses, Percherons and one 3/4 Morgan. And I didn't breed any of these with the exception of the 21 year old multi-champion flat shod walker that was returned to me for retirement after 19 years.

              In fact, I haven't bred a horse for 21 years, but I don't think it is my business to pass judgment on those who want to breed. I wouldn't breed in this bad economic climate, but then I haven't bred a thing in 21 years anyway.

              I have to wonder since you have been involved with so many differnet breeds, if you still breed and see the prison system as an unwanted compeditor.

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              • #87
                Those horses look like nice amy horses or the quint essential husband horse.
                A bit tall/heavy for my taste, but certainly not a fugly incident resulting from uterus and twig-and-berry being present for the sake of doing something with those nags.

                It just sucks big time that the whole country is deep in the crapper, something no one could have foreseen 5 years ago.

                Those guys are certainly something I would consider for my heavy set kid who will be close to 7 foot tall once his growth plates close.

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                • #88
                  Originally posted by bayou_bengal View Post
                  You are entitled to your opinion. I am entitled to mine. And, no, police forces cannot get their horses from just "anywhere" as a rule. A well-run mounted patrol looks for a certain "kind or type" of horse these days.

                  They want horses with the height of a TB but without the fiery temperament, the heft of a draft and the gentle, willing disposition, but with a bit more "get up and go" that a full blooded draft.

                  If you know so much about the Angola horses and breeding program, then you know that until last year, most of the horses produced at Angola were used by the Louisiana prison system or sold to mounted police units throughout the US.

                  The horse program doesn't exist only to produce horses, it is part of the offender rehabilitation program designed to allow offenders to learn skills thay can use to get a job once they have served their sentences. The prison system also has a program to train offienders as farriers as well as to train them to work with horses.

                  Before Angola started doing the auctions (just last fall 2010), people could only get one by buying a retired Angola horse being sold by its mounted officer- the guards and other prison employees were allowed to buy Angola horses sometimes in certain circumstances, and some would re-sell them after a few years.

                  I believe it is because of a decrease in demand by law enforcement because many cities are disbanding their mounted police units, that the Angola officials decided to begin holding the auctions. They also were getting inquiries from people wanting to know how or where they could buy an Angola horse.

                  I don't call them "sport horses" that is what the people that use these crossbreeds call them. I have only Walking Horses, Percherons and one 3/4 Morgan. And I didn't breed any of these with the exception of the 21 year old multi-champion flat shod walker that was returned to me for retirement after 19 years.

                  In fact, I haven't bred a horse for 21 years, but I don't think it is my business to pass judgment on those who want to breed. I wouldn't breed in this bad economic climate, but then I haven't bred a thing in 21 years anyway.

                  I have to wonder since you have been involved with so many differnet breeds, if you still breed and see the prison system as an unwanted compeditor.



                  A competitor of what? Poorly conformed horses dumped into a state that's in a drought?

                  I don't breed, and if I did it would be for myself not the market, but please tell me who calls these horses sport horses besides your post above?

                  They are for a rodeo, and some of them yes go to the police department... The rest! Ive seen in the backyards of locals sitting doing nothing, and I have to hear about how now that there is no hay they will be going to auction because Bubba jo bought it for 300 at the angola auction so they can have a better tv?

                  Gimme a break...
                  ~~Member of the TB's Rule Clique ~~
                  http://www.off-breed-dressage.blogspot.com/

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                  • #89
                    Prejudice has many faces and one of them may be yours, NOMIOMI1

                    Originally posted by Alagirl View Post
                    Those horses look like nice amy horses or the quint essential husband horse.
                    A bit tall/heavy for my taste, but certainly not a fugly incident resulting from uterus and twig-and-berry being present for the sake of doing something with those nags.

                    It just sucks big time that the whole country is deep in the crapper, something no one could have foreseen 5 years ago.

                    Those guys are certainly something I would consider for my heavy set kid who will be close to 7 foot tall once his growth plates close.
                    The ones that had more saddle time went, naturally, for more money. I have known several people, rather well, who had Angloa-bred horses, and all of them were very satisfied with those horses.

                    A couple of them were police officers who were allowed to buy their "partners" once they or the horse was ready to retire. Several more were people interested in just trail riding who wanted even tempered sane horses.

                    I know a couple of younger girls who are using theirs in lower level dressage and novice jumping. The horses seem to be picking it up pretty well.

                    They are definitely ideal hubby horses or horses for the stout among us. Lots of big guys- tall guys- like the size. One I know said he wanted something taller than 15 hands, but with some bulk as well.

                    The warden at Angola used to breed and show Percherons, but his wife is into dressage.



                    Originally posted by NOMIOMI1 View Post





                    A competitor of what? Poorly conformed horses dumped into a state that's in a drought?

                    I don't breed, and if I did it would be for myself not the market, but please tell me who calls these horses sport horses besides your post above?

                    They are for a rodeo, and some of them yes go to the police department... The rest! Ive seen in the backyards of locals sitting doing nothing, and I have to hear about how now that there is no hay they will be going to auction because Bubba jo bought it for 300 at the angola auction so they can have a better tv?

                    Gimme a break...
                    You know- Plenty of people call the horses produced by the breeding crosses used at Angola - Sport Horses- I don't have time to pander to your ignorance- if you want to know- just google "Sport Horse" OK.

                    And its most of TEXAS that is in a severe drought- look that up while you are at it. T.E.X.A.S.. Louisiana has had some drought conditions particularly in the earlier half of the year, and especially in the western part of the state, but here where Angola is located there has been plenty rain to produce lots of hay locally -- must have been or it wouldn't be getting shipped out by the truck load to T.E.X.A.S. If hay is in short supply here, it isn't because of a SEVERE drought HERE- it's because it is being bought up and shipped to T.E.X.A.S.

                    My hay man has less hay this year than last only because he lost 50 acres he had on lease when a new owner decided to plant pine trees rather than renew his lease. He was able to take care of his regular customers AND still shipped some hay out to TEXAS and down to New Orleans.

                    And that last bit of prejudiced drivel about "Bubba" and a TV just doesn't deserve any comment at all. Look in the mirror to see what prejudice looks like. Or better yet, go back to from whence you came. Give ME a break!

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                    • #90
                      Originally posted by bayou_bengal View Post
                      The ones that had more saddle time went, naturally, for more money. I have known several people, rather well, who had Angloa-bred horses, and all of them were very satisfied with those horses.

                      A couple of them were police officers who were allowed to buy their "partners" once they or the horse was ready to retire. Several more were people interested in just trail riding who wanted even tempered sane horses.

                      I know a couple of younger girls who are using theirs in lower level dressage and novice jumping. The horses seem to be picking it up pretty well.

                      They are definitely ideal hubby horses or horses for the stout among us. Lots of big guys- tall guys- like the size. One I know said he wanted something taller than 15 hands, but with some bulk as well.

                      The warden at Angola used to breed and show Percherons, but his wife is into dressage.

                      Those horses actually do look a lot like the old timey Hanovarians. Refinement be damned, a lot of people liked them that way.

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                      • #91
                        Dear LORD, people! The Angola sale was full of very nicely put together horses. A friend bought two of them as dressage prospects. Sadly, the day of her mother's funeral, she came home to find one of them down with colic, and he had to be euthanized. I am impressed with the program at Angola, and noooo, these are not all "rodeo horses" which is evident if you had looked at the catalog. Angola is a SELF SUSTAINED farm - the horses are not neglected and they have a reason for breeding them. It seems like a win-win to me. And IMHO, the term "sport horse" is used loosely , just like the term"warmblood" is these days.
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                        • #92
                          Originally posted by moonriverfarm View Post
                          Dear LORD, people! The Angola sale was full of very nicely put together horses. A friend bought two of them as dressage prospects. Sadly, the day of her mother's funeral, she came home to find one of them down with colic, and he had to be euthanized. I am impressed with the program at Angola, and noooo, these are not all "rodeo horses" which is evident if you had looked at the catalog. Angola is a SELF SUSTAINED farm - the horses are not neglected and they have a reason for breeding them. It seems like a win-win to me. And IMHO, the term "sport horse" is used loosely , just like the term"warmblood" is these days.
                          Sorry to hear about your friend's horse. I looked the sales list over pretty good, and almost went with a friend who had a few bucks to spend, but didn't go in the end. Window shopping WITAHOUT a dime to spare is no fun.

                          There were a couple of greys that I would have liked to have bid on IF I had had ANY money to spare at all - which I DON'T ---and if they had had any driving experience at all - which they DIDN'T.

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                          • #93
                            This is really late but I thought I'd chime in. While I'm ordinarily very against breeding grade horses, I will say that growing up riding in Louisiana I've ridden a lot of Angola horses, and they have never been anything but an exceptionally fun, safe, reliable ride. The standout rockstar school horses in riding programs -- the ones that students clamor to ride for lessons because they are super safe and still very athletic -- in the area are invariably from this program. When I have the funds to buy my own horse, I'll probably go snap one of them up myself. The fact that they cater to the mounted police means they are generally absolutely bombproof, and some have been great jumpers. While the program is intended to introduce horses to inmates for rehab purposes, many of the men who have special projects in the prison are experts in what they do (a golf course designer and an unbelievable pastel artist come to mind) -- I suspect this is the case with somebody in the breeding program.

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                            • #94
                              I am looking for a sweet natured draft cross type and I like the idea that the horses come from an established breeding program, are well handled in a program and help with inmate rehabilitation. I wish they weren't so far from the Northeast.

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                              • #95
                                I was told recently that the program has been reduced and they are not having horse sales anymore. I don' t think they are breeding at all but I could not get a lot of details.

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