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Please help! I believe the person i free leased my horse to sold him

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  • #61
    Originally posted by katarine View Post
    You created a real mess, and I don't know that you have a legal leg to stand on to prove you own that horse. I'm glad the gal who sold him to you will take your side, but what do you have to prove what took place between you and Mr Man?

    Nothing.

    I did a free lease on my QH, with another of my trainer's students: We had a written contract. Guys, you HAVE to get it in writing!
    I have to agree here, it just seems to happen over and over and over again to people leasing their horse, you hear all to often the scenario that has occurred with this horse. GET IT IN WRITING!!!

    Also, if it were me, along with the paper work and signatories, I would also take down license and registration details etc and get the party leasing to initial.

    Other than that, I wish you well in getting your horse back.

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    • #62
      Something very similar happened to a good friend of mine. She free leased her mare with a written contract. Got updates and even photos for a short time then radio silence. The mare was supposed to go to a woman who wanted her for light trail riding (the mare had navicular change and couldn't support more than that).

      Eventually she went to the farm and discovered that this lady was actually a dealer in disguise with a reputation of selling on the horses she got for free. My friend never found her mare or found what happened to her.

      Originally posted by chai View Post
      Mr. Wonderful, what are you waiting for? Do not wait a week. Find a way to show up at the man's farm asap and just look for your horse.

      I free leased a pony many years ago to a woman who sounded ideal. Her story was that she owned a farm and her beloved pony, 'Nugget' had died. I was so touched by her story, I went out to her farm, checked it out, and even stopped at the local PD on my way out of town to make sure there had never been any complaints about her. She seemed so nice, I let her free lease my pony.

      I had a written contract that ensured the return of my pony if either of us wanted to terminate the lease for any reason. We stayed touch frequently and she seemed to love him. I was thrilled because I thought he was better off in work and he loved trail riding.

      Fast forward to a year and a half later. The woman called me out of the blue to tell me she wanted me to send her $500 for a vet bill. I reminded her that the contract stated that she was responsible for Merlin's vet bills during the lease, but if she didn't want him any longer, I would be there that weekend to bring him home. She called me back the next day, full of apologies, telling me that her colitis had flared up and she just 'wasn't herself' when she called me. She assured me that she loved Merlin and he was well and she wanted to continue to lease him.

      Something didn't seem right, so a few days later, I drove the 3 hour drive to her farm unannounced. Boy, was she surprised to see me. Merlin was gone, and she was a totally different person, screaming at me to get off her property and telling me that Merlin had just died and her neighbor had taken his body away for burial. When I told her I didn't believe her and I wanted to see where he was buried, she totally freaked out and threatened to call the police.

      I left and went to the local PD to file a report. I put ads in local papers and sent flyers to every tack store, feed store, veterinarian office and farrier in the area. My husband made two trips to the local auction barn when they were good enough to call me about ponies that somewhat fit Merlin's description, but neither one was him.

      I never found my pony, and I never got any satisfaction or answers from that horrible woman. I still worry about him, now almost 20 years later, and I never leased a horse or pony off my farm again.

      Mr. Wonderful, this man may have been honestly trying to help you, but his evasiveness seems suspicious. If you can find out where this man lives, get in the car and get yourself there asap, just to find out if your horse is ok. I hope everything works out for you and your horse.
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      • #63
        Originally posted by Mr Wonderful View Post
        I have talked with attorneys and have given the man one week to speak with me and/or return the horse or I will be taking full legal action. I have become equipped with various witnesses, e-mails from the woman and i as well as other s at the barn who have now explained i have been frauded.
        You've given him one week? Your original post was MONTHS ago. I would say your time for action is well past.

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        • #64
          What do the attorneys that you hired say? On what basis is your claim? Horse was stolen? Or is it a civil matter that he purchased without paying?

          Not that you need more advice, but I would have your attorneys (and you have the cash to hire more than one? doubting this) talk to this "man." If you have employed counsel, pay them to call him, or the woman, or whoever.

          I think you are grasping at straws, and you should let the horse go. Have a good cry and move on. You got ripped off, certainly, with no contract and an asshat for a fellow boarder and barn owner. There are more horses in the world, and it doesn't sound like this horse is being abused. Sueing someone in court is really not inexpensive, especially if you lose. And it takes a very long time.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by Kwill View Post

            Not that you need more advice, but I would have your attorneys (and you have the cash to hire more than one? doubting this) talk to this "man." If you have employed counsel, pay them to call him, or the woman, or whoever.
            . . .

            Sueing someone in court is really not inexpensive, especially if you lose. And it takes a very long time.
            Definitely agree with both these statements. Your best chance now of getting the horse back is to let an attorney handle it.

            Pray that you don't have to go to court.
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