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  • #41
    As someone who has shown Fjords at National level shows...

    How LONG did it take them to hack off 4+ inches of mane?!?

    Or WHAT did they use?

    Seriously, their manes are like 3 inches wide at the base, you don't take a pair of Fiskars to them! And the hair is extra coarse, not like a TB's or Arabian's mane hair.

    I could only imagine if that had been done to one of our ponies before Walnut Hill, OMG heads would roll!

    Did they leave the feathers or did those get shaved too?

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      #42
      She just took clippers to mane stopping about 4 inches beyond the existing bridle path. The mane sticks straight up from the stopping point about a couple of inches. The whole visual of the mare's neck looks weird because the arch is completely offset. This mare left for her bath with a lovely mane and bridle part that easily fit her riding and driving bridles.

      I think she did the clipping in lickety split time. This person's arrogance about her horsemanship skills knows no bounds. She also banged the tail, but left it long. Not what I would do, but I can live with it. The ears and feathers were spared.

      These folks are 60 years old. They are not young kids or newbies. They should know better.
      Where Norwegian Fjords Rule
      http://www.ironwood-farm.com

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      • #43
        My boyfriend did something like this once. He said on quarter horses, you lay the ear back and cut the bridle path the length of the ear... Well on his highly bred halter horses who have the tiniest ears, this is about an average bridle path... He layed my 17 hand hanoverian's massive ear back and cut his bridle path about 4 inches right before a clinic... I'm thankful for a boyfriend that knows -western- horses, but ask me before hacking off my hunter's mane!

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        • #44
          Originally posted by IronwoodFarm View Post
          The Scissorhands are officially banned from any and all grooming that I can't supervise. This will likely limit their showing opportunities. All I can say is "sorry."
          Wow, you are much nicer than I. I would not be allowing them to ever use my horse again. Especially if they use a "I know better" attitude with me as well.
          "I'm not crazy...my mother had me tested"

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          • #45
            Unfortunately, "50 years experience" does not automatically equal common sense.
            "Don't make be BEG dahling...
            you KNOW I won't do it!" Edna Mode

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            • #46
              Originally posted by IronwoodFarm View Post
              ESG, you are right that never in a million years would I have thought these folks would do this. They have been horse people since childhood. They have their own horses. It is not as if they are unfamiliar with my horses or even a Fjord evaluation.
              If that is the case, then I'd be spiriting my mare away from them yesterday, if I were you. You clearly can't trust them any more.

              And yes, when I saw it I did tell the husband how I felt. The answer was "Sorry, we thought she needed a bridle path." Never mind that the mare had a bridle path and a perfectly nice mane when she left my farm. Never mind that I have a cell phone on me at all times and answer it. I actually think it is less stupidity and more arrogance -- they think they know so much about showing horses that they unquestionably do the right thing. Except when they don't and then it's just "sorry" from the husband and nada zip in the way of an apology from the clipper wielding wife.
              And ^^^this^^^just cements my opinion. Get your mare home, and now!

              IF Jr has suggested gluing some mane to the front gap, "like hair extensions." I have no shortage of Fjord mane hair, but I don't see pulling this one off. I agree that it is just hair and it will grow back in time. I am scratching the mare from her conformation test where appearances do count and will have her do performance tests as planned.
              Then I also suggest, as Alagirl did, that they be required to pay for the evaluation having to be rescheduled. Some people don't "get" that they've really screwed the pooch until they get hit in the wallet behind it.

              The Scissorhands are officially banned from any and all grooming that I can't supervise. This will likely limit their showing opportunities. All I can say is "sorry."
              And I'm thinking that it's time they buy their own horse to play beauty shop with.
              In loving memory of Laura Jahnke.
              A life lived by example, done too soon.
              www.caringbridge.org/page/laurajahnke/

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              • #47
                Don't try it!

                This was my Fjord mare...she would have pulled a knife on anybody abusing her mane!...and I would have held them down so she could do it!
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                "Sic Gorgiamus Allos Subjectatos Nunc"

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                  #48
                  Great mane! All you non-Fjord people -- think about how bad this mare would look with the first 4 inches removed.

                  In response to Giddy-up, the reason I have not completely banned these people is because the husband is handicapped. Driving is the one thing he can do where he is like everyone else. He may be a clueless about grooming, but cutting him off would be harsh. Limited showing while closely supervised seems the best option for now.
                  Where Norwegian Fjords Rule
                  http://www.ironwood-farm.com

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                  • #49
                    Ironwood, you are a kind and forgiving person. I would imagine karma will be kind in return. Good luck at the performance evaluation--
                    "One person's cowboy is another person's blooming idiot" -- katarine

                    Spay and neuter. Please.

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                    • #50
                      It was wrong, but it was a misunderstanding. I don't think the person taking the horse off the property was because they thought you would object. I think it was an honest mistake.

                      With that said, I would make it VERY clear that you do not ever want them to clip or trim any part of your horse again. I would also take a deep breath and let it go because it's too late to change anything now and you just have to move forward and let the mane grow out over time.

                      I annoyed a friend once who had a horse with NO bridle path. I trimmed a very tiny one (just enough for the bridle, and barely enough) when we were cleaning up the horse together. She was horrified, I was shocked that she was upset. I mean, what a PITA to deal with no bridle path. It was such a normal thing to do. I learned on that day that some people have VERY wacky ideas on what they do and don't want with a horse's mane--independent of breed standards, etc. Maybe this woman will now learn from her mistakes and you can move forward. My friend got over it. (I was a teenager and it still makes no sense to have a lump of mane under the bridle and to have no clear definition for where the mane separates from the forelock. Well, it makes no sense to me. )

                      I have another friend with a half Friesian (sp?) that has funky scraggly feathers (not the thick ones you normally see). I'm always ITCHING to clip them! I would never, but boy do I want to. Maybe this woman just couldn't control her itch if she thought the bridle path was incorrect in her eyes?

                      I'm sure people would love to trim off my horse's whiskers, too.
                      "And I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling." - Capt Reynolds "Firefly"

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                      • #51
                        Originally posted by CrackTheLatch View Post
                        Dear Horse gods, It's a Fjord, not an Arabian. I don't know what I would have done, but there would have been tears followed by some serious emotional trauma.
                        That was exactly what I thought too.

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                        • #52
                          Wow. I hope you explained to these folks why you've had to scratch the mare from her confo evaluation. It's bad enough that they're arrogant about it and only casually "sorry", but it's worse if they learn nothing from this mistake. On that note, I'd also be sorely tempted to bill them for any forfeited show fees... drive the point home.
                          "I did know once, only I've sort of forgotten." - Winnie the Pooh

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                          • #53
                            Originally posted by IronwoodFarm View Post
                            In response to Giddy-up, the reason I have not completely banned these people is because the husband is handicapped. Driving is the one thing he can do where he is like everyone else. He may be a clueless about grooming, but cutting him off would be harsh. Limited showing while closely supervised seems the best option for now.
                            Okaaaay...you got me a little there.

                            But I'd probably still be having a chat about "my horse, don't change a thing". And no unsupervised useage!
                            "I'm not crazy...my mother had me tested"

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                            • #54
                              40 years on and my face is still flaming as I read this..

                              As a youngster I thought I would be a real nice person and pull (my first ever attempt) my favorite ponies mane. She was a school pony and much loved by everyone.

                              Can you imagine how the owner felt when she came out and found her poor Haflinger with a very badly pulled, very short mane.

                              I still cringe at the very memory of what I did, and now being a Haflinger owner myself I can only to well understand just how mad she was.
                              "He's not even a good pathological liar." Mara

                              "You're just a very desperate troll, and not even a good one. You're like middle-school troll at best. Like a goblin, not even a troll." et_fig

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                              • #55
                                Originally posted by IronwoodFarm View Post
                                Great mane! All you non-Fjord people -- think about how bad this mare would look with the first 4 inches removed.

                                In response to Giddy-up, the reason I have not completely banned these people is because the husband is handicapped. Driving is the one thing he can do where he is like everyone else. He may be a clueless about grooming, but cutting him off would be harsh. Limited showing while closely supervised seems the best option for now.
                                You're a bigger person than I, because I don't consider a disability to be a free pass for neglecting basic manners.

                                That was a pitiful excuse for an apology.
                                "It's like a Russian nesting doll of train wrecks."--CaitlinandTheBay

                                ...just settin' on the Group W bench.

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                                • #56
                                  Originally posted by gaitedincali View Post
                                  Umm yeah, I'd let her know what I was going to do before I'd do it, so she could say yay or nay.

                                  In other words - OMG I'd ask if it was OK first!1!!!! How terrible of me.

                                  Good grief.
                                  Yes, rude of you, in how you chose to phrase it initially, and you've chosen to continue to phrase it in the same way. You would "let them know". That is NOT the same as asking permission.

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                                  • #57
                                    Originally posted by Velvet View Post
                                    It was wrong, but it was a misunderstanding. I don't think the person taking the horse off the property was because they thought you would object. I think it was an honest mistake.
                                    It really does not sound at all like a misunderstanding. It sounds like the woman took the horse to her place so that she could have free reign with the scissors. The husbands arrogant response sort of backs that notion up. Obviously they do not care one whit what the OP wants for her own horses.

                                    I too am of the camp that I would be billing them for the expense of missing the test/inspection and revoking their riding/driving privileges. If they are breed people then they certainly know better.

                                    I suppose it is a good for the OP that her horse is being competed so perhaps it is worth the aggravation but otherwise, I wouldn't care if the husband was paralyzed from the neck down and had to drive with his teeth and breath through his ears, like someone earlier stated, disability is no free pass to rudeness.

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                                    • #58
                                      Trimming a Fjord's mane is a high-stress endeavor on a good day. You need a nice arch to it, making sure the inner dark color is not too exposed or not exposed enough...worried the bejesus out of me when I was doing her. Luckily, they're short, so you can see what you're doing.
                                      "Sic Gorgiamus Allos Subjectatos Nunc"

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                                      • #59
                                        Originally posted by gaitedincali View Post
                                        Umm yeah, I'd let her know what I was going to do before I'd do it, so she could say yay or nay.

                                        In other words - OMG I'd ask if it was OK first!1!!!! How terrible of me.

                                        Good grief.
                                        Apparently the subject is so touchy that simply using the wrong phrase on an internet BB is enough to get you crucified. Now you've been schooled on how rude your hypothetical post of what you would say to a hypothetical owner if you wanted to cut a hypothetical mane really IS.

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                                        • #60
                                          I knew a woman who had a Morgan show horse and was obsessive about his mane and tail being left long and flowing. Her working student (dunce) banged about 6 inches off his tail I'm amazed she's still living.
                                          Yogurt - If you're so cultured, how come I never see you at the opera? Steven Colbert

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