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A Bath Means Soap and Water ONLY Vent -- Update Post 72!

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  • A Bath Means Soap and Water ONLY Vent -- Update Post 72!

    Dear Horse Borrower,

    I am happy to lend you my horse for a fun show. As you know, I am very busy on weekends with my farm business, so I can't go to the show with you but since you have over 50 years of experience with horses, I didn't think this was a problem.

    Yesterday you changed the pick-up schedule without notice coming over to get the mare for bathing at your place instead of grooming and loading at mine. You said you were going to bathe the horse. My understanding is that means you use soap and water to clean the horse. Instead you whipped out your clippers and cut a hugely long bridle path in the mare's mane. Also you banged the tail. Excuse me, but where in bathing does CLIPPING come into play? Don't you think a phone call was in order before you went into Edward Scissorhands mode?

    This is a Norwegian Fjord mare and the appearance of the mane is VERY IMPORTANT. As you well know, she is going to the ONLY national evaluation in the US this year for her breed in 3 weeks time. She will be going with a complete mutant mane thanks to your removing 4+ inches of it. I will look like a fool who is ignorant of the breed standard.

    So you are forbidden to groom my horses without my direct supervision. If that doesn't please you, then I am fine with not lending you my horse, my carriage, and my harness.

    Mane Mangled

    P.S. But seriously folks -- don't ever take scissors or clippers to a horse without the owner's express permission.
    Last edited by IronwoodFarm; Jul. 2, 2011, 07:00 PM.
    Where Norwegian Fjords Rule
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  • #2
    omg.... major breed event only 3 weeks out?

    I would have seriously tarred and feathered the individual.

    I'm so sorry.
    If i'm posting on Coth, it's either raining so I can't ride or it's night time and I can't sleep.

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    • #3
      Peeps are morons.I would clean up and use an existing bridle path, I would never, ever dream of installing one on a borrowed horse.

      Oh well, tell the inspectors "no good deed goes unpunished" and smile and laugh: It's your best choice for the heartburn.

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      • #4
        Ouch. And horse borrower probably thought she was doing you a favor. You know, I wouldn't worry about it though, don't you think that the folks at the inspection might at the end of the day be at least partly understanding of, if not pleased about the horse being a useful, functional show horse for disciplines beyond modeling for breed classes?

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        • #5
          Oh my gosh. When I read the title I thought "so this OP is upset about someone using different bath products on her horse?" You know, perhaps they used a conditioner or (shudder) Show Sheen instead of just soap and water.

          Scissors/clippers would never be part of any bath I gave a horse! I can't imagine how dismaying that must have been. So I have to know -- did the borrower have ANY explanation or excuse for this? "I didn't think you'd mind"? Argh.
          Shall I tell you what I find beautiful about you? You are at your very best when things are worst.
          Starman

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          • #6
            To me cleaning up includes clipping legs, face and bridlepath at least. So if I borrowed a horse for a fun show it'd come back clipped. I'd also let you know that upfront.

            And if I wasn't familiar with a particular breed it is plain common sense to check to see if there are any differences in how they're groomed/presented before turning the clippers on.

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            • #7
              You are right to be furious!

              Holy cow.

              So much for being nice and lending people anything, be it a horse, trailer, or tack.

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              • #8
                4" bridle path on a Fjord mane????


                That ain't good, especially right before evaluation.
                You jump in the saddle,
                Hold onto the bridle!
                Jump in the line!
                ...Belefonte

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by gaitedincali View Post
                  To me cleaning up includes clipping legs, face and bridlepath at least. So if I borrowed a horse for a fun show it'd come back clipped. I'd also let you know that upfront.
                  I would think that clipping would not mean the same as removing mane and banging a tail - things that take a very long time to grow out.

                  Three guesses as to why the 'borrower' decided to bring the horse back to her place for a trim -she knew up front the owner would not approve but was perhaps determined to have it her way regardless.

                  I would be pissed enough that I would not be loaning any more horses to this person. The fact that she has 50 years experience means she definitely knew that what she was doing was wrong which makes it worse that not realizing..

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by sketcher View Post
                    I would think that clipping would not mean the same as removing mane and banging a tail - things that take a very long time to grow out.

                    Three guesses as to why the 'borrower' decided to bring the horse back to her place for a trim -she knew up front the owner would not approve but was perhaps determined to have it her way regardless.

                    I would be pissed enough that I would not be loaning any more horses to this person. The fact that she has 50 years experience means she definitely knew that what she was doing was wrong which makes it worse that not realizing..
                    Agreed! Holy cow!

                    My first reaction is to advise you to find a friend, hold the "borrower" down, and use the clippers to cut her a new bridle path of her very own.

                    ..and that's, I suppose, why you should never go with your first reaction in these cases. But seriously. I would be fuming!!
                    Last edited by Cita; Jun. 26, 2011, 06:14 PM.

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                    • #11
                      OMGIH. That is NOT COOL.

                      Though to be honest I read your thread title and thought, "Whatever else could one have used for a bath!? Maybe glitter was involved??"

                      I have asked permission to pull an untidy mane on a borrowed horse, but that was about it. Owner of that horse was thrilled as she hated mane pulling.
                      Full-time bargain hunter.

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                      • #12
                        eeesh.
                        years ago my friend had a big 17hh tb that one of the kids at the barn was in love with. one day the kid wanted to give him a 'spa' day as a birthday present for my friend. the horse was a big baby doll and soo easy to work around, that the friend said okay. thinking horsey was going to get a bath and maybe some ribbons braided into mane and tail, she was HORRIFIED when horsey was presented with a ROACHED mane and banged tail (waaay shorter than it needed because the kid couldn't get a straight line and kept cutting and cutting). the look on the kid's face was one of sheer pride at her handiwork. my friend's face, crestfallen, shock. apparently, the kid thought that roaching the mane was what you did for all horses in the summer. oh brother, was that an uncomfortable relationship for a while.
                        at least he wasn't a show horse and yes, hair grows back.
                        R.I.P. my sweet boy Tristan
                        36 years old, but I was hoping you'd live forever
                        5/5/75-7/5/11

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                        • #13
                          I could also understand trimming up whiskers and stuff without it being a big deal, but there's a common-sense line between trimming a few whiskers and cutting a 4" bridle path into a Fjord mane! That's like the difference between trimming up the scraggly fetlocks on my QH and trimming the feathers off a Clydesdale...

                          A boarder at my barn once cut off the BO's mini's big massive fluffy mane, because "he looked hot." I don't know how the BO didn't kill her.
                          "Remain relentlessly cheerful."

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                          • #14
                            I like Cita's idea and doing the reverse mohawk pattern front to back with maybe a big "X" on the back to really get the point across.

                            I thought the title meant that they show sheened the entire horse or something to make the horse slippery, and didn't involve clipper mania.

                            I would be so mad at that person and I don't know how you stopped yourself from whacking that person a good one when you found out.
                            You can't fix stupid-Ron White

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                            • #15
                              I broke my leg and could not attend a show with one of my clients. These people had been showing my mare at a few shows and were scheduled to go to another. I gave them permission to take her by themselves. After they got back and I resumed lessons I thought there was something 'funny' about my mare's forelock. I finally realized they had cut several inches off of it; straight across. I was livid and when I asked them they said "oh, yeah we cut it, it will grow back." I regret to this day that I didn't turn to the mom and ask if I could take the kid to get 4 inches of her hair cut off. "Yeah, it will grow back."

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                              • #16
                                Oh jeez. I once borrowed a friend's lovely Fjord (by lovely, I mean mannered, she was pet-quality) mare to take to a local schooling show series. Even though my friend insisted I could "do whatever you want as far as grooming" and such, I still made sure it was ok to trim whiskers and ear fuzz and asked her to do the mane so I wouldn't mess it up.

                                That's like me borrowing a QH or a show hunter and clipping one of those huge Arabian halter bridle paths!

                                I would feed lots of coat supplements and use MTG or the like daily and hope you can trim it into some semblance of normal. Then, when you get there, blame it on a well-meaning friend or stablemate.

                                Someone with 50 years experience in horses and obviously your friend long enough to borrow your horse should know some sort of an idea of your breed's standard should have clarified with you "hey I would like to do a bridlepath and bang poopsie's tail is that ok?"
                                Michael: Seems the people who burned me want me for a job.
                                Sam: A job? Does it pay?
                                Michael: Nah, it's more of a "we'll kill you if you don't do it" type of thing.
                                Sam: Oh. I've never liked those.

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                                • #17
                                  That takes a lot of chutzpah. Banging a tail without the owner's consent....words fail me. It's like sending your kids to the grands for a month in the summer and having them returned with perms and such. Blech!

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by gaitedincali View Post
                                    To me cleaning up includes clipping legs, face and bridlepath at least. So if I borrowed a horse for a fun show it'd come back clipped. I'd also let you know that upfront.
                                    You would let her know? Seriously? How about asking permission, since BORROWING a horse means the horse is not your horse to clip as you please. Good grief.

                                    Wow.

                                    IronwoodFarm - have you spoken to this person directly since you found out about this? I would really, really LOVE to hear what this person had to say for him/herself.

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                                    • #19
                                      Ironwood, I'd be farkin' homicidal.
                                      You're a cooler head than I.
                                      "It's like a Russian nesting doll of train wrecks."--CaitlinandTheBay

                                      ...just settin' on the Group W bench.

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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by IronwoodFarm View Post
                                        ...
                                        This is a Norwegian Fjord mare and the appearance of the mane is VERY IMPORTANT. As you well know, she is going to the ONLY national evaluation in the US this year for her breed in 3 weeks time. She will be going with a complete mutant mane thanks to your removing 4+ inches of it. I will look like a fool who is ignorant of the breed standard.
                                        ...

                                        P.S. But seriously folks -- don't ever take scissors or clippers to a horse without the owner's express permission.
                                        Of course you are right that no one should clip or in any way change the appearance of someone else's horse without permission.

                                        That said ... 3 weeks from a major show is the time to stay in hyper-vigilance mode. No loaning of horse, as well as no doing anything that offers a higher jeopardy of injury, illness, anything else that could stop progress to the show. Other even worse things could have happened, deliberately, mistakenly, or by accident.

                                        Some of the most critical pro football players sign contracts that dictate the activities they can *not* participate in in their personal lives. Like softball. The star player just cannot miss a pro game because of injuries from sliding home or missing a hard-thrown ball in a friendly game with family/friends.

                                        IMO - have noticed there are some BNR's who need to stamp this on their brains. Missed major team competitions, international trips, 4*'s, etc. due to injuries from professional and personal activities that were part of normal life for them. But for some period of time, maybe 4-6 weeks, they needed to make a change to be sure there was no missing that big show. Some normal activities need to be curtailed or practiced with extreme watchfulness and care.

                                        I do agree with you about how wrong the borrowing friend was. Under any circumstances I would be crazed about this, myself.

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