I just want to say I think he looks adorable! Actually, he looks a lot like *my* horse, so it's hard for me to be objective! I don't have much experience with horse shopping, but I think you've already gotten a lot of good advice. You should definitely do as much as you can on him when you ride him again... don't worry how you look! Also, if he passes all the tests, remember that you and he can't expect to mesh perfectly at first... it took me a while to get used to my horse and really bond with him (while convincing him that I'm the alpha one)...if he's sound, sweet, and sane, and you have a good feeling about him, you'll get there eventually! GOOD LUCK!
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And, as ALWAYS, go with your gut. You can't POSSIBLY know everything about the horse, but, SOMEHOW, the stomach knows... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
This is great advice.... I try and do this as best as I can. But it's hard for me.... I just don't always get that "sign". LOL Like I've said earlier, it takes me a little while to trust so I don't go "ga ga" over anything really. My trainer knows me well though, and can tell by my body language how I'm feeling.... it's actually kinda scary.
Thanks for all the help and support... will give you an update tomorrow evening w/ some more pics (hopefully some of them will be me riding him!).
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I bought my gelding from someone who is essentially a trader. He had been turned out in a field for god knows how long, and had more hair than I have ever seen on one being before in my life. It was a gamble, but as soon as I looked him in the eye I knew he was mine.
Despite passing the vet, he had issues at the canter at first. He would swap out behind and wouldn't canter all the way around the ring without breaking to the trot. These problems were from a lack of fitness and have been resolved.
There are always variables for which you cannot account.(I have seen horses in the barn where I board change personalities after being sold within the barn to other people.) No horse is a sure thing, and it is a very rare circumstance that you will know the complete history of a horse you may purchase. All you can do is trust your own instincts and your trainer, (after doing all of your homework of course), and hope for a good result.
I wish you the best of luck!! Horse shopping is so exciting!
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honestly.....
write down on a paper what you want in a horse- what you want it to do etc.....in column 1
in column 2 write down how this horse compares to this (good)
in column 3 write down any BUT you can think of (bad)
know that what you see is what you get- if he sometimes crow hops...he will sometimes crow hops....if you find him a little heavy on the forehand.....assume he will always be that way.....
if he seems stiff or sore or whatever....assume that it will always be there.....dont buy the "horse hasnt been in work- he'll loosen up".
if you still want him...buts and all....then have him vetted- tell the person you will be drawing blood- have the horse worked at all gaits for the vet......listen to what he tells you...horses dont fail a vetting....it is not a pass fail- you are paying for professional advice about how the horse will be for your purposes......listen to it...or put the money in your pocket and dont bother....
ride him as you would normally ride him- if you will ride outside- take him on a trail ride...if you will ride alone...ride him alone....
if you still like what you see- negotiate a price you can live with and buy yourself a horse.....dont worry about the "downhill" or "uphill" or "kooky" comments....
also dont worry too much about the "horsetrader"....2 of my best horses came from a western dude ranch horse trader....
1 was a 8 year old keiger that had never had so much as a halter on him before then....terrible ground manners- actually non existent....and pushy......
2nd was a 2 year old chestnut bs paint mare....cutting bred.....she spooked and spun at something in the ring....and I did an unplanned dismount......honestly....I know she was green and barely backed....however to this day she can spin quick enough to result in the best most unsuspecting rider on the ground...honest though-she wont leave- just looks at you like-hey what are YOU doing down there.....that is her but.....she is otherwise sweet, stout, sound, gentle, beautiful and passed her vetting with flying colours....sold her to my friend who had been riding her for about a 1 year, about 2 years ago for double what i paid for her-
our big buckskin, I have been offered 5X what I paid for him on multiple occassions and would never sell him- he can sit in a field for 6 months and the next week start foxhunting 4 days a week without so much as a buck......
trust your gut...trust your vet....and buy the horse for waht it is today- not what you think you can make it intoOwn a legend...ride a Friesian
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He looks alot like a horse I used to ride by Mr Conclusion. I liked that horse but had trouble keeping him sound. Same hock conformation and the one that I was riding had cr@ppy feet. His personality was for the most part pretty laid back. He could put in a pretty impressive odd buck every now and then and had a tendency to be sulky to the leg (crowhopping when asked to canter if he didn't feel like it) but a very personable, sweet horse. I really enjoyed spending time with him. Good luck with the vetting
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I like him - appears to be laid back and decently put together. I wouldn't care about the crow hop - if that's the only time de does it, i.e. he doesn't do it on future rides.
Do ride him at least twice more (if possible) but unless he fails the vet check I'd buy him. Sounds very nice for a beginning rider.
Good luck with him - and have fun!Now in Kentucky
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Okay... we went back today and I rode him myself w/o my trainer warming him up (like many on here suggested)
He was a very good boy... He's still a little cranky (take note of his ears) from being sore and out of shape a bit but very biddable and much better movement than earlier this week.
He will definately need some conditioning and a good chiro visit.
I took the advice again of the BB and put him through the paces I want him to do for now. W/T/C both ways and hopped over a X-Rail a few times. Now when I say hop, it was more like a big trot over!!! LOL But I haven't jumped in months and only wanted to do what I can do right now as with all the issues I had w/ my mare and w/ my fall, I won't be doing anything more than X-Rails for a bit. I need a good confidence booster.
I did somewhat "chuck" the reins a few strides before the jump and went up in my little 2-point and grabbed mane. Wanted to see if he would ditch out or what.... he just trotted on by himself over the jump.
I had a little trouble asking for the canter to the left.... my right leg is my weaker leg so was having a small issue pulling it back to ask. But we got it... and he got the correct lead.... we also cantered to the right (he's much better that way) and then asked him to stop and he went straight to the halt.
The BO's helper hopped on him after I was done and did jump him over a 2' vertical.... he was very cute and biddable. And with a little "whoa" stopped after the jump. She only jumped him 2-3 times. The popped it up to 2'6" and did the same.... he was a saint and very soft.
So, we have the PPE scheduled for Monday. I know some of you on here aren't too fond of him.... but I do like him and just like someone said, I went there today w/ my checklist and he met all my criteria... then did the pro and con list on him and the pro list was much longer where the con list only had 2 items. I think he will be a good confidence builder for me for what I want to do now.
Here's the updated link.... the most recent w/ me is listed as Drew...12-10. Please excuse my position in the pics.... I'm really out of shape from not riding for about 2 1/2 months. But feel free to critique if you'd like.... I'd really like to know what you all think about our size ratio. I think he fits me much better than my mare did (he's about 16.2 and stout where she was 15.3 but big barreled) but let me know what you all think.
TIA!
These are mostly walk and trot.... my hubby took video stream of the canter and some trotting but missed the trot over the X-Rail but I can't add video to Webshots... but he may try and put on our website:
http://community.webshots.com/album/520642686OUCdPZ
Okay.... here are the clips (I used clip shack):
http://www.clipshack.com/Clip.aspx?key=E3341EF5668C9DE0
http://www.clipshack.com/Clip.aspx?key=B18E1D08336FCBE0
http://www.clipshack.com/Clip.aspx?key=85A9635759F55276
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I think he is a good size for you.. ideally you would have a horse with a more upright carriage to suit your taller upper body but you can't have everything, right?!! So..
did anyone jump him over more than one jump? As in, did he do a line? And did you get to ride him outside the indoor? If no, you may want to do these things prior to the vetting on Monday. Even if you don't jump a line, at least take him for a hack. Won't skew the vetting and will let you know if that will be an issue.
Why is he so pissy? The expression in that one pic is really something. Does your trainer think that is ok? Was he ok to tack and groom or did he have an attitude then, too?"Kindness is free" ~ Eurofoal
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Oh, I liked him better before I saw this round of pictures and video.
He's very downhill, I don't think it's an optical illusion.
He's irritable! More than just a lazy-out-of-work kind of ittable but downright grumpy. Don't know what to say about that but I personally would want to wait a few weeks, let the seller leg the horse up, and come back to see if he's got a better attitude. That's just me. Drew seems to pins his ears and make a face every time you put your leg on. I read that as real resistance to go forward, not just out-of-shape. I also see him evading your leg on the straightaway in the one video and wanting to wiggle his body to the inside. Seems like he doesn't want contact or leg and he gets more and more irritated when you try.
Also he's not trotting, he's quasi-jogging. What happens when you ask him to actually move? I imagine he'd get even grumpier! The girl riding behind you is just plodding along and she's easily passing you.
It looks to me like he sucks back and evades contact because he doesn't want to move forward. I am not psychic so I don't know why this is, but I think that's what I see in those pictures. Doesn't sound like a fun ride.
Also, I hate to say this as I am in the I-Love-15.3-hand-horse camp-- but I think you look a little big. It's the fact that you have a tall upper body/torso and he has a very short neck (he has really a very short neck). You look fine in the leg and in the barrel, but you look like you're towering over him when I look at the upper half of your body. My little QH is like that too and it makes for NOT a confident feeling over the jumps when the entir front half of the horse dissapears from in front of you
and it makes it hard for me to get int my most secure/comfortable 2 point both jumping and on the flat.
BUMMER!!! I wanted to like this guy a lot. I'm sorry. Part of me feels like erasing this post because I know how badly you want a good, happy, fun horse to have a good time riding. I wish I could snap my fingers and make that horse appear for you. From the little I know posting on this board-- you deserve it. I wish I liked this guy.
Have you thought about leasing? I've found you can sometimes get really SUPER ex-campaigners for lease that you might not otherwise we able to buy. And they're GREAT confidence horses, some of them.~Veronica
"The Son Dee Times" "Sustained" "Somerset" "Franklin Square"
http://photobucket.com/albums/y192/vxf111/
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I've added 3 video clips above.
Yes, he was a bit pissy. There are 2 reasons for that that we can come up with.... he is a little sore and needs some chiro care. But I have to look at what he is now since he is available now. But he has a great personality on the ground... can get a little pushy but only because he's gotten away with it. Once you tell he can't do that (via a smack, he stops immediately and doesn't do it again).... the other reason is that he is a bit testy.... he tried to fuss with me a little on the canter but all I had to do was re-remind him to behave (little pop up with my rein) and he complies quickly. Like to say "oh, okay". And then doesn't try it again. We are seriously thinking via many "outside party" eyes that his previous owners probably let him get away with some of this behaviour or got off of him and decided not to deal with it. We didn't give up today, so he did "give in" ~ for lack of better words to say. So I don't think he would be good for a "rank beginner" as he will test you a little.... but nothing huge.
Oh, I know about that one pic.... he does look very ticked off! My trainer and I have discussed in great length about this (this is one of my cons on my list.... that he tends to pin his ears back a bit).... but she and I feel with some proper care to figure out all the ouchies (which we know of some but will get the real skinny at the vet check) we can work on those and with a consistent program and some good turn out he'll probably be a much happier camper.... don't ask about his current situation.
But my theory is that if he tolerates what he is having to deal with now, and is still biddable.... he must be a pretty good guy. When he feels better, I'm sure he will be in a better mood. But may always have a little "attitude" but he does meet the rest of what I'm looking for and I know I can't get anything to be "perfect".... there will always be something.
Yes, he has jumped lines, courses, etc. He competed at an East Coast (don't want to name to start any conflict) Circuit and did well. So he has shown in O/F classes. He is a bit downhill. But was also know he's out of shape and needs conditioning and isn't using himself as well as he could. Even though he is a little downhill, he doesn't hang or pull on you.
The vet check will be the true test.... to see what is REALLY going on. Might explain a lot.
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He just doesn't look happy to me.
Big red flag! 
It'll be interesting to see if the PPE uncovers anything. Impressive bloodlines always scare me.
"Don't blame Hogg or the other teens. The adults are supposed to know better. If only we could find any." ~Tom Nichols, professor of national security affairs at the Naval War College~
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Have you thought about leasing? I've found you can sometimes get really SUPER ex-campaigners for lease that you might not otherwise we able to buy. And they're GREAT confidence horses, some of them. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Nothing to lease around here.... I've tried looking.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">He's irritable! More than just a lazy-out-of-work kind of ittable but downright grumpy. Don't know what to say about that but I personally would want to wait a few weeks, let the seller leg the horse up, and come back to see if he's got a better attitude. That's just me. Drew seems to pins his ears and make a face every time you put your leg on. I read that as real resistance to go forward, not just out-of-shape. I also see him evading your leg on the straightaway in the one video and wanting to wiggle his body to the inside. Seems like he doesn't want contact or leg and he gets more and more irritated when you try. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
They are not going to do this.... they don't want to put the time and money into getting him going again so they are selling as is. No he doesn't want to move forward a whole lot sometimes... but we think this is because he is sore in the girth area as again, it's not just out of work thing... he is sore and that's why we think he's grumpy. But we shall see.
Yes, it's a crap shoot. But it's hard to see everything in a few pics and video clips. He actually does put his ears up a bit and moves forward. My hubby doesn't know what to take picture wise.... he's non-horsey. Wish he got a pic w/ the jump... he really perks his ears up at that along with a higher head carriage. We do think he is "sour".... but hopefully we can remedy that.... but it's a risk. That's why I'm willing to go through the PPE to see what we find.... and yes, I may walk away if it's too bad.... but if there is some small stuff we can do for him to make it better, we can do that.
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