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    #21


    He takes contact well... I tried that test. Along with the "chuck the reins" one too. He was fine. You just don't need a lot of contact. He responds well so definately not a "run away". He does need a little more push to get him to go forward (he's a bit pokey) but that's actually good for me. But he is responsive (I barely touched him to ask for the walk after a halt and he moved forward easily). He needs more leg to get him to trot and canter and needs a somewhat constant light contact w/ your leg to keep him going... he will move forward-forward if you push him. So probably definately need to ride him in a small pair of spurs and a stick to re-enforce. But he does respond to the stick (the BO tried it and he definately responded ~ more of a wake up call but didn't fuss or anything so he hasn't been "abused" w/ a stick).

    Again, I will definately do all the paces w/ him to the best of my ability. That will be the true test... how does he react to my more novice level of riding. And I'll probably be gritting my teeth and hold my breath as it takes me a bit to "trust" a horse. LOL

    I don't think he'll be a hack winner either... but for what I can spend, I didn't expect to get a hack and o/f winner. Just wanted something fun and enjoyable after my last "nightmare of an experience".

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    • #22
      I know four Impressive bred horses, three are very "touchy", and the other was good but sensitive and over reacted constantly. The one horse I know was bred by it's owner. She loved his attitude so much that she decided to keep him, well now that he is undersaddle and in shape, he is a completely different horse. Rearing-bucking etc...Beautiful horse, but not one I would want to ride on a daily basis. Impressive bred horses I have heard can be a little "Cooky". I'd be careful...especially being that he had two months off(You say he is decently in shape, alot of Impressive bred horses to me look like they are in shape even when they haven't been ridden in years(One I know that is now retired, I would be REALLY careful about bolting and bucking)). I would see if you can take him on a trial to see if he doesn't do these things.

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      • #23
        I know pics can be deceiving, but PLEASE make sure the vet looks at those hocks! The horse looks reluctant to engage his hind end/bend his hocks, and that can be a sign of joint pain...which may or may not be a dealbreaker.

        I'm not crazy about his downhill build, but his neck is put on nice and he seems like an agreeable kind of guy. I wouldn't pay a whole lot for him...5K-ish, depending on how he jumps and how he vets. But if the price is right and you like him, he seems like a nice find.

        I wouldn't worry too much about the jumbled back-story you're getting on him. That can happen when horses move around between barns/dealers/trainers. It doesn't sound like anyone is trying to con you. Take a deep breath and trust yourself, your trainer, and your vet.

        Good luck!

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        • #24
          Well,
          He is a cutie...
          On the day of the vetting I would ride him walk trot canter and take him over small jumps, groom him, and mess with him and then decide whether to Vet him. If you do Vet him have the Vet pull blood samples for drugs (sedatives/antiinflamitories) and hold the samples. If his personality changes once you get him home or he goes lame I would have the samples run.

          I would be asking all kinds of questions about behavior and health and noting the answers. I would ask questions and if the BO/agent where he is located now doesn't know, ask to talk to the current owner.

          This is your chance to insepct the horse, ask questions, and review information with the agent. Don't be at all shy about it. I find those who have nothing to hide will be happy to go into details about all aspects of the horse.

          Good luck!

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          • #25
            <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Piaffe~Passage:
            I know four Impressive bred horses, three are very "touchy", and the other was good but sensitive and over reacted constantly. The one horse I know was bred by it's owner. She loved his attitude so much that she decided to keep him, well now that he is undersaddle and in shape, he is a completely different horse. Rearing-bucking etc...Beautiful horse, but not one I would want to ride on a daily basis. Impressive bred horses I have heard can be a little "Cooky". I'd be careful...especially being that he had two months off(You say he is decently in shape, alot of Impressive bred horses to me look like they are in shape even when they haven't been ridden in years(One I know that is now retired, I would be REALLY careful about bolting and bucking)). I would see if you can take him on a trial to see if he doesn't do these things. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

            I have to say, I agree with this. My horse is Impressive bred and our joke is that he has the movement of a WB and the brain of a TB. No QH in sight. That is the grey horse I posted the pic of on your last thread.

            Personally I find this temperament ideal for dressage - they get up with being crazy. But definately more natural oompha than you would want for a hunter.

            Here is one you can fall in love with at first sight He's a QH too!
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            • #26
              If I were you, I'd take EqTrainer's first post and Hazelnut's, print them out, and take them with you the next time you go and try the horse.

              I, too, am very leery of the jumbled history on this horse. I don't know about anyone else, but he sure doesn't look to me like a horse that's spent two months out in pasture. And if he did, why? And if so, how's he so fit?

              The "little crowhop" concerns me, also. If indeed he isn't fit, that little crowhop might turn into a bigtime buck when he is. Definitely not something you want to be dealing with. I also agree with SBT about his hocks - they look terribly straight to me, and that usually equals "no pushing power", something imperative in a hunter or jumper. And definitely pull the blood and have the tests run BEFORE you buy him. I've never been a fan of pulling the blood and holding it. At that point, you own the horse, your money's gone, and you have to rely on the integrity and goodwill of the seller to get it back. And since someone who would sell you a drugged horse probably doesn't have much integrity, your chances of a full refund aren't great.

              Other than that, he looks very sweet, with a kind disposition and lovely face. If everything else works out, he might be a good partner for you.

              Good luck. And do please keep us posted.
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              • #27
                I have an Impressive bred QH. In contrast to the other posters he is dead quiet and LAZY. A spook to him is really just a hard flinch and turn to look at the object/noise. Too quiet can be a bad thing too. Sonny just wants to land after a fence and stop or slow down.
                So not all Impressive QH's are wacky. I hadn't ridden Sonny in about 1 1/2 weeks due to an injury. I rode last night. He first tried to get out of work by sucking way behind the bit. When I picked up the first canter he tossed his head and picked up a canter that had a bit more hump in his back than he normally does. This lasted about 6 strides. I don't even want to call what he did a buck.
                Also when Sonny has been out of work awhile he still looks fit because his build is all poppy muscles. (Think body builder muscles)- His build can deceive you into thinking he is fitter than he is.
                Oh, well, clearly you're not thoroughly indoctrinated to COTH yet, because finger pointing and drawing conclusions are the cornerstones of this great online community. (Tidy Rabbit)

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                • #28
                  He's a little downhill, but cute for all that and would probably do well locally for you. I love my QH, BTW.

                  I'd ride him a couple more times just like everyone said. I'd also be sure to get x-rays of the front feet. Don't let anyone talk you out of it! My QH was 6 1/2 when I bought him and dx 5 mo later with navicular at age 7. He had no clinical symptoms prior to that and I had let the vet talk me out of x-rays at the ppe.

                  Also, if he doesn't do it again, I wouldn't worry about the crowhop. Cash did it the first time I mounted from a mounting block and never ever did it again. I think I surprised him! On the other hand, Indy, my other QH, never offered a back move until I'd had him about 10 years when he bucked me right onto my head! So, one never knows!

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                  • #29
                    I missed the previous posts about this subject, but I have to ask what kind of horse are you looking for? What do you want to do with him, you said something about jumping.

                    The horse looks "cute" and looks like he will be good to hack around, he looks like he's lacking in ambition but if you want something quiet he looks to be your boy. The crow hopping would worry me because he is out of shape and he crow hops plus being rode several times...thats just weird.
                    I would have the vet make sure there isn't any back issues that could cause discomfort to make him do that.

                    Anyways best of luck!

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                    • #30
                      EqTrainer has given some very good advice.

                      See if you can get your trainer to give you a lesson on the horse, and have the lesson incorporate some jumping, since that is what you plan to do.

                      Riding him a third time is also a good idea; and don't let anyone rush you into making a decision ("if you don't put a deposit down by next week I'll have to send him back to Illinois...").

                      The jumbled history and the bait and switch (you came out to see one horse who turns out to be lame--why didn't the seller know that before you drove out an hour and a half?) would make me nervous. I am also a little nervous that a horse that supposedly has had 2 months off still looks fit (maybe that's the Impressive in him, but still I'd be leary).

                      With the vetting it would be a good idea to have the vet draw blood as well. Vet doesn't need to check it for drugs unless a month later or so the horse turns into a lunatic and there's some question about whether he'd been given an long-acting tranq.

                      Good luck.
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                        #31
                        <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SonnysMom:
                        I have an Impressive bred QH. In contrast to the other posters he is dead quiet and LAZY. A spook to him is really just a hard flinch and turn to look at the object/noise. Too quiet can be a bad thing too. Sonny just wants to land after a fence and stop or slow down.
                        So not all Impressive QH's are wacky. I hadn't ridden Sonny in about 1 1/2 weeks due to an injury. I rode last night. He first tried to get out of work by sucking way behind the bit. When I picked up the first canter he tossed his head and picked up a canter that had a bit more hump in his back than he normally does. This lasted about 6 strides. I don't even want to call what he did a buck.
                        Also when Sonny has been out of work awhile he still looks fit because his build is all poppy muscles. (Think body builder muscles)- His build can deceive you into thinking he is fitter than he is. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                        Sounds a little like this guy.

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                          #32
                          <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by IndysMom:
                          He's a little downhill, but cute for all that and would probably do well locally for you. I love my QH, BTW.

                          I'd ride him a couple more times just like everyone said. I'd also be sure to get x-rays of the front feet. Don't let anyone talk you out of it! My QH was 6 1/2 when I bought him and dx 5 mo later with navicular at age 7. He had no clinical symptoms prior to that and I had let the vet talk me out of x-rays at the ppe.

                          Also, if he doesn't do it again, I wouldn't worry about the crowhop. Cash did it the first time I mounted from a mounting block and never ever did it again. I think I surprised him! On the other hand, Indy, my other QH, never offered a back move until I'd had him about 10 years when he bucked me right onto my head! So, one never knows!

                          Sorrel and Chestnut are actually two different colors. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                          My trainer has already made that note..... x-ray front feet for sure.... and then anything else that may come up during the ppe.

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                          • #33
                            I think he has much better conformation than the first horse. He seems good for lower level stuff and a sweet all around mount. If you like his personality and he is sound- Have fun!
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                              #34
                              Okay... update on bloodlines.

                              This guy is a grandson of Impressive and a great grandson of Conclusive.

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                              • #35
                                I haven't had time to really critique the pics or read the other relies, but a few things came to mind:

                                1) Just bc I have to say it, he is a classic Impressive bred horse! They all have that same look, chestnut, BIG body/butt, blaze and irregular stockings. Like a cookie-cutter, that stallion.

                                2) I'd def. be a bit concerned about navicular and have the feet X-rayed.

                                3) he's a little downhill, so may have some trouble really collecting and getting under, but very likely can do it, it will just be hard work for him

                                4) despite the somewhat straight hocks, his way of going seems to be very under himself, which ism, IMO, good. Is he cow hocked also? How much? I won't turn down a horse for being cow hocked, provided it's not severe. I only ask due to the under and over sideways way he looked to be going in the one pic.

                                I really don't see why he couldn't do what you want him for, provided he passes the vet check. My only advice is to really grill the vet about those front feet and ANYTHING that is not 100%. IOW, Be a tough customer on that, that body style has a tendency to have career ending lameness at a fairly young age.
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                                • #36
                                  LSM

                                  The most important piece of advice you have not been given yet is to have your Vet recommend a VET in the area where this horse is to do the pre-purchase exam or haul the horse to your own vet to do the eaxm. I would absolutely not pay the sales barn's vet and expect an unbiased opinion; based upon the information you have provided. I would also suggest to get films (x-rays of the front felocks, down and both of the hocks); though if there is any reaction to the hoof-testers; I would stop right there (save your $$).

                                  I owned AQHA horses for many, many years; the last one being a Conclusive/Skipa Star/Dymanic bred Appendix gelding. He is a forward, kind, tries to please you, very sensible type horse who loved to show and never stops at a jump. I think this particular horse has good potential for you; just be careful and do not let yourself get pressured into anything. I especially like substantail the bone/foot size along with his big, deep body (to take up your long legs) that I see in his pictures. Good luck!
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                                  • #37
                                    Well, you are clearly getting lots of good suggestions and appear to be taking your time with horse shopping. Nothing better than participating in vicarious shopping!

                                    I like this fellow better than the first prospect, and want to mention that a couple of years ago I met a pony clubber who had an Impressive grandson as her first event horse. He was one of the nicest fellows I had been around in ages, with a great dispostion, good on the ground, undersaddle, and safe for a kid. Another friend of mine has an Impressive grandson and you couldn't pry that horse from her cold, dead hands. He is her husband horse.
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                                      #38
                                      RE-Update ~

                                      We are going back out tomorrow for another test ride... farrier will be out either later tomorrow or Thur to pull his shoes. We are getting a vet check done on Friday (we can cancel if something feels off tomorrow). But that's why his shoes are being pulled... for the full front feet x-rays.

                                      Will keep you all posted... will take more pics and also video tomorrow.

                                      Thank you all for your advice.... will be getting all the necessary tests done just to be sure.

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                                        #39
                                        <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by clint:
                                        Well, you are clearly getting lots of good suggestions and appear to be taking your time with horse shopping. Nothing better than participating in vicarious shopping!

                                        I like this fellow better than the first prospect, and want to mention that a couple of years ago I met a pony clubber who had an Impressive grandson as her first event horse. He was one of the nicest fellows I had been around in ages, with a great dispostion, good on the ground, undersaddle, and safe for a kid. Another friend of mine has an Impressive grandson and you couldn't pry that horse from her cold, dead hands. He is her husband horse. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                        Actually, if he works out and I buy him.... in a few years when I outgrow him, that's probably exactly what he'll be. A husband horse... Though, my husband doesn't know that yet!!! LOL

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                                        • #40
                                          Just because he hasn't been ridden in two months doesn't mean he's not fit. I have a TB gelding that can be turned out forever and still has a butt that makes people ask if he just came off the track.

                                          However, I have known people who have bought horses that had a long time off and discovered that the "rest" really concealed a basic unsoundness that emerged as the horse was put into work.

                                          That said, I bought a TB mare out of a field where she'd been for seven months (it was a breeding operation, so it made sense) and had no problem with her.

                                          Still, there's a lot of good to be said about a horse that you can throw a saddle on and just go off and ride.

                                          I'd try to find a few more times to ride him and see how he goes in different situations and when he is asked to work a little harder. I'd want to know how he responds to requests to try new things. I'm also a big fan of arriving earlier than expected to view a horse so that I can see for myself whether he's been worked before I arrived.

                                          Good luck!
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