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  • Rosie Napravnik rides like a man??

    How about...Rosie Napravnik rides like...a tough rider? A good rider?

    Sorry for the rant, and I rarely whip out the feminist card, but for some reason this comment really rubbed me the wrong way
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    Well being that horse sports are the only activity where men and women complete as equals, I think it's appropriate. There are no "ladies tees" there are no softballs etc. So to me all equestrians compete as horsemen.
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    • #3
      So....comparing her to a man is inappropriate. We are a sport of equality. You either ride well, or you don't.
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      • #4
        I'm guessing that doesn't mean that she has to tuck to the left or right.

        Things have changed a bit, but ages ago it wasn't uncommon to hear a commentator remark after a round that a male rider did the course like a lady. Meaning that he had nicer equitation and/or a quieter ride than average for a male rider.

        Although the commentator wouldn't say "he rode like a woman" but would say "he looked like _____ on course, very nice!" (insert female competitor in blank)
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        • #5
          Who said Rosie rides like a man? She grew up in Pony Club with my kids and is a good (and tough) rider. Mentally and physically tough - with a great attitude. I guess whoever said "rides like a man" THOUGHT it was a compliment...

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          • #6
            Originally posted by JanWeber View Post
            Who said Rosie rides like a man? She grew up in Pony Club with my kids and is a good (and tough) rider. Mentally and physically tough - with a great attitude. I guess whoever said "rides like a man" THOUGHT it was a compliment...
            It was meant as a compliment, or I took it that way.

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            • #7
              I KNOW it was meant as a compliment - it just ticks me off that just being likened to a man is considered a compliment...

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              • #8
                Originally posted by wcporter View Post
                How about...Rosie Napravnik rides like...a tough rider? A good rider?

                Sorry for the rant, and I rarely whip out the feminist card, but for some reason this comment really rubbed me the wrong way
                I actually really agree with this. Zenyatta doesn't run like a colt...she runs like one of the top racehorses in history.

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                • #9
                  I found it offensive, too. I know they didn't mean it that way, but that just shows where their mentality is. I also wasn't all that thrilled with her response. That she doesn't think about it that way, but darned if she's going to let a female rider beat her.

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                  • #10
                    Good thing nobody said she throws like a girl too!
                    "Sic Gorgiamus Allos Subjectatos Nunc"

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                    • #11
                      at least they didn't call her a 'jockette'
                      Last edited by Lambie Boat; May. 8, 2011, 06:23 PM. Reason: spel

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                      • #12
                        Sometimes I get mad about all the sports phrases which denigrate women:
                        throws like a girl, drives like a woman, ties granny knots, etc.

                        Then I go pat my husband horse, and I feel much better.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by carp View Post
                          Sometimes I get mad about all the sports phrases which denigrate women:
                          throws like a girl, drives like a woman, ties granny knots, etc.

                          Then I go pat my husband horse, and I feel much better.
                          +1
                          I saw the angel in the marble and I set him free. - Michaelangelo

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by JanWeber View Post
                            I KNOW it was meant as a compliment - it just ticks me off that just being likened to a man is considered a compliment...
                            Not to be terribly contentious, but, what's wrong with men? I like men, and most of them do a lot of different things better than me. Perhaps they could've phrased it better, but I don't personally think it's so offensive.
                            It's a small world -- unless you gotta walk home.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by carp View Post
                              Sometimes I get mad about all the sports phrases which denigrate women: throws like a girl, drives like a woman, ties granny knots, etc.
                              You're kidding right? Granny knots are denigrating to women? "Throws like a girl" is descriptive of how most females throw ?

                              If you wish to not denigrate women, let them compete equally (as they do in riding sports) vs. treating them as if they're handicapped "weaker vessels and prisoners of their juices" (women's tees in golf, lowered physical requirements for females for jobs and even Wimbledon...guys play best of 5, women play best of 3 and they want equal prize purses for 60% of the work).
                              "Sic Gorgiamus Allos Subjectatos Nunc"

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                              • #16
                                My daughter plays varsity and travel softball (16U) and there are a lot of guys who WISH they could throw like those girls!

                                I played some club polo in Vermont several years ago and was told by one of their players (of Eastern European descent) "you ride like a cossack!" I believe that was intended as a compliment....

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by Mosey_2003 View Post
                                  Not to be terribly contentious, but, what's wrong with men? I like men, and most of them do a lot of different things better than me. Perhaps they could've phrased it better, but I don't personally think it's so offensive.
                                  Nothing is wrong with men. I like them, too. The reason that saying someone "rides like a man" as a compliment is offensive is not because there is something wrong with men, but because it implies that women are inherently inferior to men. Because of this it is particularly insulting in the horse world where women do compete on a totally level playing field with men, and where there are a large number of very successful and skilled female riders.
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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by carp View Post
                                    Then I go pat my husband horse, and I feel much better.
                                    Love it!

                                    Upon my first glance at the threat title, I thought this was an insult. As in, she rides ungracefully.
                                    If the pony spits venom in your face or produces a loud roar, it is probably not a pony. Find another. -The Oatmeal

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                                    • #19
                                      I saw that and I think the speaker actually meant it literally-he went on to say that she walked like a man and in the beginning of her career she wasn't exactly forthcoming that she was a woman, racing under AR instead of Rosie.

                                      I took it that she literally moved, was shaped and had the mannerisms that are typically considered to be those of a man. It wasn't meant to be offensive to anyone, IMO.

                                      Even if he meant it that she rode aggressively and the words that the man in the male-dominated career field wrapped around it were that she rode like a man...doesn't offend me.
                                      “Most people do not listen with the intent to understand; they listen with the intent to reply.” Stephen R. Covey

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                                      • #20
                                        Hubby says the same thing about Julie Krone. Being of the same era, I'm use to hearing things like that and it is indeed a compliment, even if those outside of racing or newer to racing see it differently. I had him pick his derby horse and he chose Pants on Fire by the name. I said oh, you're backing the only girl rider in the race, eh? He was shocked Napravnik was a girl. He's watched "AR Napravnik" race a few times now without realizing "he" was a "she". But I've never seen him wrong when he watches a rider and says by observation that the rider is a girl.

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