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  • #61
    Very, very sad for all involved. My husband told me this morning that he had heard it on the news heading into McLean.

    We've all had a horse slip our grip at some point, whether in the barn or outside. And we've all come across something in the road that we weren't expecting, even with the most prudent driving.

    It is a strange phenomenon that people often try to find a way to place blame after a tragedy. Trying to find reason behind a death or loss can provide a sense of closure, I suppose.

    In any case...sincere condolences to the victims here
    Second Fiddle Farm

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    • #62
      As for the liability question --

      Here in Maryland it would not be on the driver (prayers for her and her family!)... As some (and the law) will see it, regardless of whether it was caused by negligence either accidental or deliberate - the "failure to maintain control of an animal at all times" issue will surely come into play.

      It is a horrendous tragedy for all involved - and we know that the one thing we ALL strive for in this sport is controlling the darn beasts at all times.

      Just a terrible accident that ended in horrible grief for soooo many.

      Jingles are most definitely appropriate for the horse owner, trainer, handlers - and the trying aftermath they possibly face.

      And of course, as stated above, my heart goes out to the driver's family.

      This is a VERY busy major highway leading into the District during rush hour. My hope is that the County will finally wake up now that what we all feared could happen, indeed, did.

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      • #63
        <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Trakehner:
        There are quite a few fences at the Equestrien Center...but there are also gates so cars, trailers and people can get in. It's not a prison.

        It's whoever had control of the horse that is at fault...if they didn't cross tie it or whatever happened that it got away, there is where the blame lies.

        Most importantly, a woman died, perhaps due to someone not doing something they probably should have and we'll just have to wait and see what happened.

        A woman died, which is a lot more important and serious than a horse dying. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

        this is not the time for your hard-nosed attitude, ok?

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        • #64
          <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Show grounds should have those high chain link fences or something around them especially when so close to the highway where vehicles are traveling at higher rates of speed but it costs money to put up, to maintain, etc. However, they might consider it now...it always takes a tragedy to make things safer. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
          That only works if there are GATES, and the gates are kept CLOSED. That is possible on a private farm, but a bit difficult at a show facility.
          Janet

          chief feeder and mucker for Music, Spy, Belle and Tiara. Someone else is now feeding and mucking for Chief and Brain (both foxhunting now).

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          • #65
            But, for the grace of... I'm sure I speak for most of us. There have been times when I have not had full control of my horse - and not just when I've hit the dirt and they're loose... How often do we go into our horse's stalls and not shut the stall door? How often have we reached to grab something, letting go of our horse for a second...

            This is a horrible and tragic accident that could have happened to any of us.
            \"Riding a horse is not a gentle hobby, to be picked up and laid down like a game of solitaire. It is a grand passion. It seizes a person whole and, once it has done so, he will have to accept that his life will be radically changed.\" -- Ralph Waldo E

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            • #66
              <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jodes:
              <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Trakehner:
              There are quite a few fences at the Equestrien Center...but there are also gates so cars, trailers and people can get in. It's not a prison.

              It's whoever had control of the horse that is at fault...if they didn't cross tie it or whatever happened that it got away, there is where the blame lies.

              Most importantly, a woman died, perhaps due to someone not doing something they probably should have and we'll just have to wait and see what happened.

              A woman died, which is a lot more important and serious than a horse dying. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

              this is not the time for your hard-nosed attitude, ok? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

              I'll second that.
              Thoughts and prayers to the owner.

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              • #67
                <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">quote:
                Originally posted by Trakehner:
                There are quite a few fences at the Equestrien Center...but there are also gates so cars, trailers and people can get in. It's not a prison.

                It's whoever had control of the horse that is at fault...if they didn't cross tie it or whatever happened that it got away, there is where the blame lies.

                Most importantly, a woman died, perhaps due to someone not doing something they probably should have and we'll just have to wait and see what happened.

                A woman died, which is a lot more important and serious than a horse dying. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


                Trakehner -
                Obviously your horse life has been very uneventful, no surprises, you've never fallen off or had your horse spook and snap away from you while handwalking.

                This was a very unfortunate ACCIDENT. Just like the accident my cousin had two years ago when a deer jumped onto his car on a VT highway. He died as a result of that accident.

                I'd like to know - can you come up with someone to sue in that situation?
                "Prediction is very difficult, especially about the future!" - Niels Bohr

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                • #68
                  <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">this is not the time for your hard-nosed attitude, ok? I'll second that. Thoughts and prayers to the owner. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                  It's not "hard nosed" to say "who had control of the horse last is potentially responsible. I find it sad the "hearts and prayers" for some people here are for the horse first, and the woman, if she's mentioned at all (as above) second.
                  "Sic Gorgiamus Allos Subjectatos Nunc"

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                  • #69
                    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Duffy:
                    But, for the grace of... I'm sure I speak for most of us. There have been times when I have not had full control of my horse - and not just when I've hit the dirt and they're loose... How often do we go into our horse's stalls and not shut the stall door? How often have we reached to grab something, letting go of our horse for a second...

                    This is a horrible and tragic accident that could have happened to any of us. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                    Well said, Duffy~~~~~~

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                    • #70
                      OK, little story here, I went to a schooling show a couple of weeks ago, this is a nice small county run livestock facility with an 8 ft high chain link fence around ENTIRE grounds. During the lunch break a child was schooling on a pony in the ring, the saddle was apparently not tight and saddle slipepd, girl fell off (she was unhurt) and pony began galloping around the ring. Saddle slips more and more, pony panics. Someone has the ring gate SHUT and a horse and rider standing there to prevent horse from getting thru gate/catch pony should it go to the gate. Well pony runs FULL TILT thru the gate and literally thru the man and his horse blicking the gate! Now pony is tearing about, with saddle hanging below the belly, stirrups madly hitting pony in legs, only driving pony to further frnezy. Of course, gate was open due to cars going in/out. Some runs and shuts gate. OK so pony is now contained, but runs for over 20 minutes SLAMMING ITSELF into the chain link fence (luckily it held) and finally they caught poor pony who's legs were beate up from the stirrups. OK, so question is, shoudl pony have gotten thru the main gate, who's fault is this? There was a road RIGHT BESIDE the main gaite with lots of traffic as their is a landfill on the same road. Is it the childs or parents fault for not tightening the girth (should we SUE a child over this??), is it the fault of the show management who made EVERY EFFORT to prevent pony from leaving the ring, including the man with showmanagement getting run over by the pony? How can one even point the finger in these situations? In this case noone was hurt, but easily could have been. I HATE that someone was killed, and that the hrose was killed, but why are we such a nation of "sue-aholics" anyways? Just a question, accidents can and do happen everyday, there is NOT always a definitive person/entity to blame.
                      www.shawneeacres.net

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                      • #71
                        <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Trakehner:
                        <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">this is not the time for your hard-nosed attitude, ok? I'll second that. Thoughts and prayers to the owner. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                        It's not "hard nosed" to say "who had control of the horse last is potentially responsible. I find it sad the "hearts and prayers" for some people here are for the horse first, and the woman, if she's mentioned at all (as above) second. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                        Your a souless creature who's an insult to humans and animals alike. End of story.

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                        • #72
                          The bottom line here is folks..... hug your loved one, tell them you love them as it may be the last time you'll have a chance to
                          If you are holding a grudge, fighting, haven't spoken to your parents, wife/husband, brother/siseter, grandparent whomever make peace TODAY, the woman who was killed, Farnces' life will not have ended in vane

                          When all is said and done the little stuff really didn't and doesn't matter........
                          Aefvue Farm Ft.Lauderdale

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                          • #73
                            Trakehner, NO ONE (other than the one poster on page one), here isn't feeling horribly for the poor lady who died and her family/friends. If could have been any of US(or a loved one) behind the wheel as well. Please don't try to read into our minds/hearts, ok?
                            \"Riding a horse is not a gentle hobby, to be picked up and laid down like a game of solitaire. It is a grand passion. It seizes a person whole and, once it has done so, he will have to accept that his life will be radically changed.\" -- Ralph Waldo E

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                            • #74
                              <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Obviously your horse life has been very uneventful, no surprises, you've never fallen off or had your horse spook and snap away from you while handwalking. This was a very unfortunate ACCIDENT. Just like the accident my cousin had two years ago when a deer jumped onto his car on a VT highway. He died as a result of that accident. 'd like to know - can you come up with someone to sue in that situation? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                              Accidents, when people are involved, are usually a series of events that could have been stopped at any point in the series.

                              A deer jumping into a car is an accident...no argument there.

                              A horse panics and flips over in the crossties and dies...an accident...unless the owner knew the horse shouldn't be crosstied or they'd panic...then maybe something different.

                              I had a friend shot one day while hunting. People said, "it was an accident"...but it wasn't. The guy who shot him was asleep in his treestand, it was dark, he shot at a noise that awakened him not seeing the source of the noise. It wasn't an accident loaded his shotgun, aimed it at a noise, shot at a sound without seeing his target and he almost killed a guy. This was not an accident, it was a series of deliberate events.

                              We only have had an initial news report of what may have happened. Some here bitched about the lack of chainlink fences at "any costs" (PG has chain link fences) and some wanted to go after the innocent woman who died. The horse was innocent, so was the woman...apart from that, it may not have been an "accident" but a series of stupid actions that 99% of the time, by the grace of God, wouldn't have mattered.

                              Being what you call "hard nosed" may stop this from happening again, "feeling the sorrow for the person who may have caused this" won't.

                              I hope the dead woman's family sues the hell out someone...someone's daughter/mom/'grandmother is dead due to anothers action...this wasn't a deer.
                              "Sic Gorgiamus Allos Subjectatos Nunc"

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                              • #75
                                <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Trakehner:
                                We only have had an initial news report of what may have happened. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                I do know the details, I just chose not to post them on a public forum.

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                                • #76
                                  <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Trakehner:
                                  I hope the dead woman's family sues the hell out someone...someone's daughter/mom/'grandmother is dead due to anothers action...this wasn't a deer. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                  I bet you wouldsue the deer if you could figure out a way to make it pay.
                                  Founder of the Olde Farte Clique

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                                  • #77
                                    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Your a souless creature who's an insult to humans and animals alike. End of story. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                    And you're brainless and thinking hormonally...feeling not thinking. Use your brain, not your estrogen...try to think and reason, you might find it novel. I'm sure you haven't had to be responsible in the past and hate the idea of someone actually being potentially judged at fault.

                                    I never attacked anyone personally...Amazing, it seems personal attacks can go both ways. If you're so knowledgeable about the details (not posting them on a public forum) then tell what happened, who are you protecting if it was an "accident?"
                                    "Sic Gorgiamus Allos Subjectatos Nunc"

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                                    • #78
                                      <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">bet you wouldsue the deer if you could figure out a way to make it pay. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                      Venison stew.
                                      "Sic Gorgiamus Allos Subjectatos Nunc"

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                                      • #79
                                        <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Trakehner:

                                        It's not "hard nosed" to say "who had control of the horse last is potentially responsible. I find it sad the "hearts and prayers" for some people here are for the horse first, and the woman, if she's mentioned at all (as above) second. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                        No, but it IS a bit hard nosed when you put it this way:
                                        <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Trakehner:

                                        It's whoever had control of the horse that is at fault...if they didn't cross tie it or whatever happened that it got away, there is where the blame lies. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                        Many things could have happened that led to the horse getting loose (i.e., latch breaking on stall door, snap breaking on lead, halter breaking). Don't automatically jump to conclusions and point the finger!!!!

                                        Also, I don't think anyone here has any less compassion for the driver and her family just because she wasn't mentioned first. It doesn't matter in what order someone mentions their condolences. They are saying they feel for ALL parties involved!!! It doesn't mean anyone here feels any less grief for the driver and her family just because they aren't mentioned first in the order!!!!!!!
                                        Honey badger don't give a sh!t.

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                                        • #80
                                          Trakehner loves to continually uphold his opinion that the vast majority of women (other than his current wife) are irrational estrogen-mad entities.

                                          Just because we feel for the people involved with the horse as well as the family of the lady who died doesn't mean we're irrational. It just means that we care about ALL concerned and can put ourselves in the horse's caregiver's place all too easily - and the "what if's" will live on with them forever, just as it will for the family/friends of the lady who died.
                                          \"Riding a horse is not a gentle hobby, to be picked up and laid down like a game of solitaire. It is a grand passion. It seizes a person whole and, once it has done so, he will have to accept that his life will be radically changed.\" -- Ralph Waldo E

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