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  • #21
    Get plain fly masks and on the forehead, in red, paint: I BITE!

    Worked like a charm for my friend's POA who was pastured on the road. No amount of asking, begging, yelling etc. ever did any good... until that flymask
    <>< Sorrow Looks Back. Worry Looks Around. Faith Looks Up! -- Being negative only makes a difficult journey more difficult. You may be given a cactus, but you don't have to sit on it.

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    • #22
      Originally posted by Watermark Farm View Post
      A gate works great for us in controlling visitors. That and a polite "let's make an appointment so you can come back when it's a better time for me." Or refer them to local riding schools.

      As a side note, I had a very persistent neighborhood 8 year old girl that kept coming to my farm and asking "Can I wide your howrses?" (she had a speed impediment). She was a tiny pale little waif who was so allergic to the horses, she had to wear a mask and goggles to groom them, but she kept coming back. Long story short, I learned she was in foster care with our neighbors and offered to give her riding lessons. I fell in love with her and we adopted her and her brother two years later. She's now 16 and a beautiful dressage and eventing rider with no horse allergies. And it all started with unscheduled farm visits that aggravated me.
      What a sweet story!

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      • #23
        Gate with hotwire, and hotwire any gaps kids can sneak through. I've had to deal with the unsupervised kid of the neighborhood druggie just showing up in my pasture. It's very scary to have strangers just show up, and annoying when they treat you like crap for telling them they are not allowed to bring their screaming kids over for pony rides. So hotwire, and tell them the fences are hot. Make sure you have your state's liability signs posted clearly at every gate too.

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        • #24
          What an amazing story Watermark and I teared up when I read it. Life sometimes surprises us and we are changed forever.
          As far as keeping people out, gates are a big help. But if these people are your neighbors being friendly won't hurt.
          My neighbor brought her grandson by our farm last week. Watching the joy on his face as he pet the pony and collected eggs made my day...but thats just me. I love our neighbors and they know they are always welcome.

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          • #25
            Gate definitely. Private sign on gate, along with a "beware of dog" sign. You don't even have to have a dog, just the sign works good.

            You have my sympathies...I would never discourage a horse crazy kid from hanging out with me while I was at the barn. However, that being said...

            I had a family that would show up at my barn whenever I wasn't there. Young mom, with 2 kids (babies in strollers) and a young granny. Normally I wouldn't mind, but the first time I came home from work, I found them in my barn, smoking, and feeding the 17 hand Perch baby horse a bucket of sweet feed. I told them the dangers of smoking in the barn, feeding a horse they didn't know, but they could have cared less. Off they went down my driveway bitching about the rude lady. The next time they visited me, Granny was holding the baby over the fence so that the same baby Perch could "give the baby kisses". That's when I started reporting to the police. I could see a lawsuit in the making. I installed two 8 foot gates with "no trespassing" signs on them. Next time, they were in the driveway, throwing carrots over the fence to watch the horses chase down the carrots.... I installed electric fencing at the top of the fence. Changed the no trespassing signs to "beware of the dog" signs. This went on for MONTHS. The police chased them off a few times when I wasn't home too. Then one day they were gone. (I think they were renters who got booted.) good riddance.
            ~Rest in Peace Woody...1975-2008~

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            • #26
              Originally posted by Watermark Farm View Post
              As a side note, I had a very persistent neighborhood 8 year old girl that kept coming to my farm and asking "Can I wide your howrses?" (she had a speed impediment). She was a tiny pale little waif who was so allergic to the horses, she had to wear a mask and goggles to groom them, but she kept coming back. Long story short, I learned she was in foster care with our neighbors and offered to give her riding lessons. I fell in love with her and we adopted her and her brother two years later. She's now 16 and a beautiful dressage and eventing rider with no horse allergies. And it all started with unscheduled farm visits that aggravated me.
              That is a wonderful story ~~ you are amazing for reaching out and then changing their lives.

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              • #27
                I would attract kari's type of "visitor", not Watermark's

                That was a very sweet story Watermark, I teared up a little too!

                LBR
                I reject your reality, and substitute my own- Adam Savage

                R.I.P Ron Smith, you'll be greatly missed

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                • #28
                  My horse loves kids! To him they equal tons of treats for no effort on his part

                  Cute Story: When I first bought my horse, I soon became a WS at a nice farm with expensive TB lay-ups for a prominent trainer and event horses (ie: not the most docile ponies). An owner of one of the event horses had a 3 year old daughter she would bring to the farm for visits, we had no issue with this. However, the owner also brought a 5lb bag of carrots every visit and let DD "feed" them to the horses. This consisted on running down the aisles and launching carrots through the bars at a high rate of speed. Mini carrot torpedos if you will... The horses were not pleased!

                  One day, I saw them coming down the drive and the little girl about to start the desensitizing routine, I called her over and showed her how to let the horse take the carrot out of her hand. Enter Goober. He was great and so gentle. She tried with the others, but they knew her smell, no way were they going to get impaled in the forehead by a wayward carrot! So she went back to Goober... I think he ate at least 1 pound in a session before I distracted the girl with something else!

                  And this is why he loves small children...

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                  • #29
                    Originally posted by Hampton Bay View Post
                    Gate with hotwire, and hotwire any gaps kids can sneak through. I've had to deal with the unsupervised kid of the neighborhood druggie just showing up in my pasture. It's very scary to have strangers just show up, and annoying when they treat you like crap for telling them they are not allowed to bring their screaming kids over for pony rides. So hotwire, and tell them the fences are hot. Make sure you have your state's liability signs posted clearly at every gate too.
                    HB, you must live in my neighborhood! Wrong state, but still...


                    I echo the gate...It helped us greatly. Our neighbors have been (mostly) polite enoght to ask if they can pet. We've pointed out a specific area of fence and said if the horses are over there, they can pet over the fence. We've also quoted liability with letting them on the property. It works well trying to convey that you're concerned for their safety. A farm can be dangerous and you'd hate for anyone to get hurt.
                    "In the beginning, the universe was created. This made a lot of people angry and has widely been considered as a bad move." -Douglas Adams

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                    • #30
                      Before posting any signs please consult your insurance agent, or a good attorney. Depending on the state the wording on 'beware of dog' or 'horses bite' signs can open you up for liability because it indicates you knew the animal was dangerous. And the trespassing signs usually have to be certain distances or have other rules connected with them to protect you. I hate the fact that in today's world that you can go bankrupt defending yourself against a lawsuit, but it can happen.
                      You can't fix stupid-Ron White

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                      • #31
                        Prudent to have legal insurance. I do.
                        In loving memory of Laura Jahnke.
                        A life lived by example, done too soon.
                        www.caringbridge.org/page/laurajahnke/

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                        • #32
                          Watermark's story made me all verklempt! That said, a gate at the end of the farm lane cured the vistors for us. Now if they want to come in they sit and honk until I go out there (which I usually do ). Much better than having people just stroll into my barn whenver they feel like it.
                          Ridge Farm Inc.-full care retirement
                          http://www.horseretirementfarm.com

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                          • #33
                            Watermark, I loved your story!

                            But I still would recommend to the OP to be careful. If someone gets hurt on your property or by your horses you could be held liable whether those people were invited or not. I think that in some states, horses are considered an "attractive nuisance" which makes it your responsibility to keep people and children out.

                            A gate is a great idea. Even if it can be climbed, it makes a property a lot less inviting to enter. Electric fence is also a great idea, or even just purchase and post the signs that say there is an electric fence.

                            I used to live on a farm that had a neighborhood bordering part of it, and it was very difficult to keep out uninvited guests. I started out pussyfooting about it and trying to be polite and educational but that was not effective. At a certain point (actually when an uninvited kid took down a bluebird nest and crushed the eggs right in front of me), a lightbulb popped on. I'm sorry, it is just plain rude to come on someone's private property and invade their privacy, and I don't think etiquette requires you to put yourself at the mercy of someone who is #1 doing something rude to you and #2 at the same time exposing you to potential serious liability.

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                            • #34
                              Because America is lawsuit happy and because some parents don't supervise kids, I'd say protect yourself first: "no trespassing" signs, gates, fencing that is not easy to climb, etc. Some states have guidelines about how frequent and how high the "no trespassing" signs need to be to be considered effective. I would be careful with signs that say "animal bites" because that implies that you know the animal is 'dangerous' which could, depending on your state & the situation, shift the responsibility back on you.

                              If you feel compelled not to shut them out completely, I feel that the PARENTS need to be involved. Have mom bring the kids back and stay with them while you show the kids around and explain about safety. I personally go with the other people who said that you're better off with a big gate and a privacy hedge. I'd be happy to give the family phone numbers of a few good riding barns the kids can go learn at. I do want the kids to learn about horses.... just not on my horses in a neighborhood where the kids run loose unsupervised and will want to pop back in.
                              Veterinarians for Equine Welfare

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                              • #35
                                I had this problem last year & hope it is resolved. I found my neighbors 2 y/o, 3 y/o & 5 y/o in my pasture. The 5 y/o was waaay too close to the back end of the mare, the 2 y/o was hugging her leg & the other was hanging back apparently undecided.

                                I love kids but that scared the bejeezus out of me. One false move & all... The parents seem to be ok with allowing these really young kids to roam the abandoned junked up property between our lots & appeared to think the kids messing with my horse was cute. The family is Hispanic, mom speaks no english, dad is off at work most of the day and I was left with attempting to make an inpression on the kids.

                                Reasoning with kids too young to have safety skills is not easy. After explaining multiple times why hanging out with my horse in her pasture is dangerous-I ended up telling the eldest that the horse could easily hurt them by accident and it would ultimately result in going to the doctor & getting great big shots. No kid wants shots so that seemed to get the point across. I hate to scare them, but better to be frightened than to be mortally injured.

                                Since then I have put a strand of electric around the perimeter & explained to the kids how it works & that to touch it will really hurt. I am looking for signage in English & Spanish that states "No trespassing, etc." The children bent the heck out of my new fencing by climbing & hanging on it last summer. I hope they stay away.

                                These kids are very small & my large pony could fatally injure them in a second. The parents don't seem to get it. Now that the weather is warm I expect them to start showing up again.

                                I honestly don't know what to do besides call the police if that happens. I can't seem to get it through to this family that this is not Disneyland & this isn't Bambi they are messing with here.

                                Not to hijack, but this seems to be a common occurence.

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                                • #36
                                  Ryd-I would call the cops and make a complaint the next time the kids are on your property. Maybe a visit from the local cops with the threat of a follow up from child welfare folks will make an impression. Leaving children of the ages you mention running loose is a great way to have a tragedy happen, whether at your place or from the many human hazards out there. Not supervising little kids is a crime, and you need to protect yourself while possibly saving the children from something awful happening to them. It's not being mean, but it is the responsible thing to do.
                                  Last edited by JanM; May. 4, 2011, 01:37 PM.
                                  You can't fix stupid-Ron White

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                                  • #37
                                    Being on good terms can be priceless...

                                    Totally relate. I have gates, I have signs. My property is totally fenced in etc. Thankfully, with no climb, no kids have been in my pastures.

                                    I do have electric on top, so BBZZZZZZZZZZZTTTTT ZAPPO if someone reaches over...

                                    The occasional pop in person- I stop what I am doing ASAP. I do tell them I have young horses, which can be dangerous and a liability ( just like when they come through at Devon on HB day..)

                                    I'll speak to them briefly, answer any questions, and tell them of riding places if they seem interested.

                                    I am luck that I have "big dogs" that all the neighbors know are out and about. They make a lot of noise so it is not TOO much of an issue for me, again, I tell the parents of the liability.

                                    I actually do not mind that I have neighbors who have popped in. When there is a loose horse (or goat) I get the call " Is it Snowflake?". It never has been one of mine, but it is kind of nice, actually.

                                    Good luck with it. It certainly can be an incovenience ( and a liability, which I do mention) but being on good terms with your neighbors can be priceless.
                                    Come to the dark side, we have cookies

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                                    • #38
                                      I briefly boarded at a small, private barn where the BO was informed by his insurance company that putting up electric fence could actually leave him open to a lawsuit unless he posted warnings about the wire around the outside of the property (in case the "No Trespassing" signs he already had in place didn't get the point across).

                                      Apparently they were concerned that someone could get zapped and sue them, even though they had no business being on the land in the first place.

                                      Seems that some people just think that having horses on your property is an open invitation to them to drop by unannounced and uninvited.

                                      I generally have no objection to allowing people and their well-behaved kids to pet my horse when I'm out riding the trails at a local park.

                                      But I don't feel that horse owners have any obligation to play "equine ambassador" to the general public every time they go off their own property.

                                      And private property is still private, even if it has horses, a swimming pool, a stocked pond, or any other "attractive nuisance" on it.
                                      Please copy and paste this to your signature if you know someone, or have been affected by someone who needs a smack upside the head. Lets raise awareness.

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                                      • #39
                                        Ryd, we bought a camoflauged game camera in response to a passell of unknown noisy kids squabbling (PUNKS) and crawling through my fence, while I was IN the pasture with the horses ....to bring them corn on the cob. Did I mention Maggie has a history of choke?

                                        I came slightly unglued when they announced they were HERE TO FEED THE HORSES. I mean these kids couldn't be more than 9-10. OH NO YOU ARE NOT turn your butt around and march it right back out of here, this second. Some of these horses bite and you'd kill them with corn on the cob anyway. Get OUT.

                                        I didn't really MEAN to go all Wicked Witch on them but they have not been back, I'm lucky, they were neighbor's guests...but I heard them that evening hooting and hollering 'hell they's just HORSES what the hayul we ain't gone hurt 'em wid sum dayum corn....' - I love drunks on the fourth of July, all patriotism and life/liberty/ trespassing on private property all at once

                                        ANYWAY that camera got set up, hidden, and aimed at the gap likely to attrack nuisance chirren. Said nuisance chirren on tape would have been forwarded to said county cops, but they vanished...

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                                        • #40
                                          This is the primary reason we finally installed a gate. When we moved out here almost 14 years ago there was no traffic on our road and only a few rural neighbors. Now there are massive subdivisions on our street and our little country road became a divided 4-lane boulevard. About the same time we started having uninvited visitors. Soooo...in went the electric gate and a no-climb perimeter fence. Oh, and a "Private Facility" sign near the road. No more unwelcome visitors (for the most part). And for some reason, my husband now loves to watch the gate do its thing....ie: deny entry to some uninvited person. It's pretty funny.

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