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CANTER S. IL Needs Your Help! DATE CHANGED!!! FAIRMOUNT PARK PADDOCK SALE - SEPT. 10

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  • Bump on account of I got this question hanging there. With the problems in LA, and the price of gas rising, transporting a horse so far may be just crazy.

    But I hate to think of a useful TB going to slaughter.
    -- Member of the COTH Appendix QH clique and the dressage-saddle-thigh-block-hating clique.

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    • aregard...much as I would like to see a horse find a good home...that IS a tough one to answer.

      Did you see the photos of the first horses entered in the auction...that CANTERSoIL posted in a different thread?

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      • BUMP!

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        • There is good info contained in this thread also.

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          • Sorry - just saw this - is it too late???

            My boy was raced at Fairmount - I met the owners that raced him once (one times too many) - their comment - "Hope you didn't pay much for him. He's not worth it." Gives you an idea of the absolute morons that may frequent the area.

            I just donated to Katrina so it may not be much, but I'd like to keep in touch. My horse that "ain't worth much" was MO State Champion two years running in dressage, we have also garnered several show championships at Intro and Training and won year end awards from the St Louis Area Dressage Society (none at First Level yet till I can sit the lengthenings and do First Four ). Not what LAZ can tell you, but I have nowhere near her expertise - tells you what these horses are capable of, even with a greenie like me.

            I say this not to boast...but because my heart wrenches at the thought that some other lovely, intelligent, sensitive and willing TB might not find a home where they can be cherished.

            Those morons didn't know what they had.

            I can't go to the sale, I will be in Kane at the Hill n Hound show.
            www.specialhorses.org
            a 501(c)3 organization helping 501(c)3 equine rescues

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            • DressageGeek...you said it well!

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              • Can I still donate for the paddock sale? My horse came off of Fairmount, though not directly to me. I bought him from a local barn. I really want to go to the paddock sale just to watch as I can't afford a second horse, but I too will be at the Hill N Hound show mentioned above. I have a paypal account and can afford to donate some - not much, but I guess every bit helps right? How do I do it?
                SMILE! It makes people wonder what you're up to.

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                • smlhpy

                  It's not too late!

                  Just go to the donation page on the CANTER So. IL page and click on the paypal button to donate through paypal.

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                  • Done! Not much, but I hope it helps.

                    I'd like to know what the killer prices are right now. How do we find that out?

                    Can't wait for Monday when I can read some updates! Woo hoo! Everyone have fun! I'll be thinking about ya!
                    SMILE! It makes people wonder what you're up to.

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                    • SmlHpy1- it would be fun to meet up! What classes are you doing? We're doing 1st One (in a small arena, should be interesting) and crossrails..that is, if my asthma doesn't get me - I have no voice just now. We may end up walking over the rails.
                      www.specialhorses.org
                      a 501(c)3 organization helping 501(c)3 equine rescues

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                      • DressageGeek - sending you a PM. You already know who I am! I bet not having a voice is driving you crazy!
                        SMILE! It makes people wonder what you're up to.

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                        • Anyone planning to trailer horses back to Minnesota or Wisconsin?

                          I'm truckless at the moment and if I do buy, I'd hate to try to arrange a ride at the last second.

                          Happy to share expenses, of course.

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                          • One last bump before heading to Fairmount.

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                            • LAZ Can I still donate through paypal. Will Keely know or get the money?

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                              • well, I hope it's not too late. I just paypalled $75 to Canter. Keely and LAZ---I hope you are able to save a few horses.

                                My horse came from that paddock sale and I loff him to death!

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                                • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Rye:
                                  well, I hope it's not too late. I just paypalled $75 to Canter. Keely and LAZ---I hope you are able to save a few horses.

                                  My horse came from that paddock sale and I loff him to death! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                  I compelled Hubby to chip in 50$, I hope it helps a bit!

                                  Keep us posted!

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                                  • I am a horse racing enthusiast who has both groomed and galloped for trainers at Fairmount Park. I attended the sale this year and I do not think it was nearly as bad as some of the people on this site seem to think it is. There were not dozens of greedy killer buyers there, in fact I did not see a single person who I didn't recognize from the track or who wasn't a hunter/jumper person. There weren't double-decker trailers crowding the parking lot--in fact, most of the trailers in the parking lot were worth upwards of 20,000 dollars. Some of the horses that went through had swellings or were slightly "off", but that's to be expected, since these are racehorses, and many of them had raced within the past week. Not one of the horses that went through was visibly severely lame. Only two horses that I saw went for 300 dollars, and I was there for most of the sale. Most times, when a horse went for less than 700 or so dollars, the trainer would say "no sale". The trainers at Fairmount do care about their horses, with two exceptions that I can think of, and furthermore, they want their horse to sell for something close to its value, which is generally in the 1k range or above.
                                    I understand that it is sad that some horses in the sale are selling for "killer" prices, but I just want everyone to understand that extremely few, if any, of them went to the killers this year. Also, if a horse doesn't get sold to a buyer intending to re-train them, it's not a death sentence for them. Most of the horses that I saw go through went to race buyers, who will continue to race them. Most of them were also between 3 and 5 years old, which is hardly too old for a racehorse. The horses who went to race buyers will continue to have the same life they had before the sale, in a different barn.
                                    I realize this post has been ridiculously long, and I apologize for that. I am not assuming that everyone out there thinks that the trainers and owners at Fairmount are monsters, or that most of the horses from the sale are going to killers. I simply thought it would be useful to give my firsthand opinion, since most of you live pretty far away. I also do not mean to undermine the efforts of CANTER. They are doing a great job, and I hope they keep up the good work.
                                    Sorry for the length,
                                    Annie

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                                    • hunternumberwon...don't forget us Eventers...we were there also...along with a very nice dressage rider that I met.

                                      The horses that Keely purchased were the ones who really did need to retire from racing. She is amazing and works tirelessly for these horses. By 5:30 p.m. the day of the sale she still hadn't had time to eat, grabbed a hot dog, and was off to feed and was still trying to reach the owner to negotiate the purchase of a poor mare with huge ankles. Keely just doesn't say 'quit'.

                                      I realized this weekend that there are (in my opinion) even worse fates than the horror of going to the killers. Fortunately, as hunternumberwon posted, the majority of the owners are caring...not monsters.

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                                      • Hunternumberwon:

                                        I'm sorry if I came across as thinking the trainers at the track are non-caring and irresponsible. It makes me crazy when I hear people saying they "rescued a horse from the track"--I buy or pick out a number of horses from the track every year and most of the trainers seriously and sincerely care about their horses and are very keen to find good post-racing homes for these horses. I've bought probably 50 horses from the track and not one of them has been abused or mistreated in any way.

                                        What I was trying to do was get some money raised to help subsidize a few who do not have such good owners, or whose owners are in a bad spot (as is one very nice woman who lost her boyfriend in a horrible racing accident and now has cancer herself). I have had some absolutely fabulous OTTB's and was just trying to raise some money to support CANTER and OTTB's for the good of all. I'm very sorry if it came across as a slam against any of the good, hard working people in the racing industry.

                                        But I must say, there were a lot of nice enough horses that went for $400. I got there on Friday, Free, Sara and I went through the barns and we made notes on 60+ horses just on Friday, so we had a good idea of which ones were best suited to our post-racing purposes. The prices were low, which was great for the buyers, but probably not so great for the sellers. I think the sale toppers were Lions Revenge at $2600, (who we bid on but he got over our limit) Hester W (I think he went for over $2000, very very cute chestnut horse that I like very much but didn't get to see out of his stall so wouldn't bid) and maybe one other over $2000, several in the mid 1000's, a couple in the $1000 (we bought Settoglow for $1045), but the rest seemed to go for $400-800.

                                        Keely did a fine and judicious job bidding on horses that needed the break. Bless her heart for working tirelessly to research which ones were at risk.

                                        Several owners no-saled when the horse didn't bring good enough money. Mike Durham told me he'd no-sale ShedancesforAllen (a nice bay mare) if she didn't bring $2000, and he did. There were several others that no-saled as well.

                                        Again, my apologies if I seemed to be dissing the good people in the industry.

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                                          Hi Anne - let me tell you a little about myself. I work at Fairmount Park, and take care of a farm with 20-25 head for one of the trainers. I ran 2 horses myself yesterday and am there running & cooling out almost every race day. I've been around Fairmount Park quite a while myself. And consider many people at Fairmount as very good friends & family, people that would give me or you the shirt off their back, even if it was their last.

                                          If you've been around Fairmount, then you know there was a point in time where probably close to half of the horses in this sale went for meat. You also know that there are some folks there who are going to have trouble finding $$ to feed themselves this winter, much less their horses.

                                          Firstly, no - there are not contracted buyers there headed straight to Cavel. There are no double deckers - not enough horses for that. The person we normally bid against is a horse trader. He buys for all types of things - including reselling for meat. We only bid against the dealer, and only if the horse is in meat price range. We call the plants the week prior to verify prices and derive our maximum bid from that. The only exception is if I see a horse being bid on to race, and I know that the horse has a lameness issue that should preclude the horse from running. If a private individual is bidding, I stay out regardless of the price. I *don't* want to have to buy any horses.

                                          In actuality, 18 of the 71 who actually sold were horses that went for 500 or less. 12 of those went for *under* $400 ($300-$375 range). There were TONS of people there not from the track. Which is a good thing - that's the whole point. Yes, things have changed. There were probably more people there buying not to race that to race - which again is a GOOD thing for an end-of-meet "it doesn't make enough to keep it through the winter" kind of sale. Do you remember ever seeing a crowd like this one, besides last year or this? Do you remember when all it was were trainers looking to unload horses before winter - 95% of which had no value as a racehorse, being bid on by no one but other trainers (smart ones mostly didn't want them) or the dealer. And maybe just one or two local retraining/reselling types (the lovely Robert Cheska himself being one of them ). Yes, things have changed and at the risk of making it look like I'm patting my own back, it's got a lot to do with CANTER's work on the sale. We work closely with the HBPA, not against them. We start advertising the sale as soon as the date is set. The sale now has people coming from all over the country - some from other countries even! - to find a good deal on a nice OTTB. And that's just fine with me. Last year, with a more average number of horses in the sale, and a fantastic crowd - only FOUR horses sold for under $500. Unheard of, and a RECORD HIGH sale average last year. For three years in a row now, NO horse has sold to any dealer for within meat price range. That's the whole point.


                                          Believe you me, no one will be happier than I when there comes a day that I don't have to bid on a single horse.

                                          If you are familar with this sale, then you know the one dealer, not from the track, who comes every single year and he was there this year as always. He stands in the same place every year, at about 3-4 o'clock from the auctioneer. He didn't get any for within meat price range this year. There was also a new dealer there this year, whom after the sale flat out called himself "a killer buyer" while looking through barns - he was a little t'eed off because I did catch on to what he was doing during the sale by watching him and with a little help from the HBPA - and outbid him for the horses we bought through the sale. And bought one out from under him that he was standing there looking at in the barn after the sale, where the trainer's son said "dad's down there showing her to the killer buyer". The guy smacked the filly upside her head - hard - for no reason whatsoever as I walked down, at which time I immediately purchased her without even looking at her. She was leaving with him over my dead body. I can pretty much guarantee you that this "new guy in town" won't be back next year. He found himself with a wasted trip this year.

                                          A couple who fosters horses for us came and bought 5 to take home and rehome - all for under $400. Two couldn't walk the next morning, one of those couldn't even STAND. Between them and myself, we purchased 8 of the 12 that went for less than $400. Private individuals purchased the others. Sunday morning I watched the group from Tawian taking one of their purchases out to photograph her - completely lame on both knees - painful to watch now that the bute had worn off. Look back at your sale book and you'll see a total of 8 horses who had noted, right there on the charts in the book "came back lame". And of course, one of our purchases (see the thread about what we bought) has been standing three legged & hopping around his stall with a knee the size of a football since 8/20/05. I'm 99% for certain going to have to euthanize him tomorrow or Friday. Waiting for the final consult between Dr Morgan, Dr. McCrosky, and the University of MO surgeons. But dadgamit, they HAD to get that last $100 for him. There are assholes everywhere, including some at Fairmount.

                                          Personally, I don't find it acceptable to sell at horse at auction that is "slightly off" ,and that's okay because they just raced. Not many folks I know at the track think so either. You know how we like to talk, and lots of "tsk tsking" was going on. However, there were also donated horses, and horses that were run through, brought only $300 or so, and then were donated as well - they said they'd rather give them away then sell them for that price to someone they didn't know. Yes, there are a ton of good people there - some of whom are right this moment providing free feed, hay, bedding & stalls for some of our CANTER purchases while they wait to go on to their perspective groups or farms. Trainers who won't take a dime in exchange for the care. They have grooms who've given soapy baths, done up legs and bedded past their ankles to help heal the ones I bought that were covered in sores from laying in stalls with no bedding all year - purchased out of a barn that EVERYONE there thinks should be shut down. There is also the person from Fairmount who has volunteered to assist the vet with the likely horrid task of euthanasia for one of our purchases, because he knows that I just can't do it. Yes, there are many, many VERY GOOD people at Fairmount Park. We couldn't do what we do without them.
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