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  • I have given my condolences to the victems and witnesses who came to my work the other day, and I will do it again, this is tragic, senseless, and IMHO another failure of Elbert County.

    If it makes anyone feel better, the dog died a bad death too. I have seen them, and it is truely sad. No one could possibly walk away from seeing what I have without a deep sense of loss, sorrow, and the senselessness of it all.

    I do want to say, I do own a rescued exfighting American Pit Bull Terrier, he is the love of my life. DON"T bash the breed, arrest the freaking irresponsible owners. Mine has his CGC, and is an agility dog working on getting therapy cert. He is not the excetion to the rule, he is not aggressive to people or dogs. Not all pit breeds are inherently evil.

    This is a county failure as well as a senseless vilolent act. I hope our Elbert County dog laws are changed, goodness knows we need them out here. I get what you are saying Breezymeasdow, I hear it all the time out here, even after my dogs and I were attacked by my neighbor's dogs. They think they moved out here to ;the country' and can have a free for all. It is not true. We despritely need the laws in Elbert County to change, for ALL dogs, so this never, ever happens again.

    Love means attention, which means looking after the things we love. We call this stable management.
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    • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>We despritely need the laws in Elbert County to change, for ALL dogs, so this never, ever happens again.

      <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

      I don't mean to sound crass, but hopefully, you can be the one to call your state representative and ask them if they are planning on doing something about this issue. Laws need to be forwarded by the constituants. Most states are online, and if they are, the legislators generally receive email. see if you can locate an email address for yours, and zip him/her off an email stating that you would like to see some laws enacted so another innocent person doesn;t get killed because some jerk is irresponsible and can get away with repeated roaming dog offenses. This is how laws get started, people demand something of their elected official. You can be the one to start the ball rolling on some appropriate legislation.

      And for what its worth-its easy, I do it every year, and just got the ear of a legislator today for something I want to see happen in 2004.

      This travesty should not go without being corrected, it should be the impetus for something good to happen. This woman is owed that much-she paid for another's stupidity with her life.......

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      • Wow that is really scary.. My neighbors dogs run out and growl at me im waiting for the day they bite me and i can smakc em with a golf club as they are only tiny white fluffy dogs. I am sooooo sorry for you that is awful the person that ownes those dogs needs to be punished badly!

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        • Actually, I did a quick search, and CO is online. Use this link to locate your legislators. They have email.

          http://www.leg.state.co.us/

          You folks in CO should send an email explaining what needs to happen in your state.

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          • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Nikkibaby27:
            I hope she gets the same jail time as the Husband and Wife who owned those two Mastiffs that killed that young lady.

            Do you remember that story? I do. The young woman was walking down the hall and she was attacked by a huge dog, which ripped her throat out. The wife had the dog leashed, but couldn't hold the dog back.

            What happened to the owners? What did they get charged with again? What was their punishment?

            I am very sorry for your friend.

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            Actually, Nikkibaby, they were Presso Canarios dogs that killed Diane Whipple, that is the case I referred to in my earlier post. and Yes, they both got manslaughter charges and are currently serving time. Both husband and wife were lawyers. The dogs belonged to a client of theirs who was serving time in jail, and they sort of "adopted" him. They were keeping his dogs while he was in jail. All the neighbors were scared of them and there had been several complaints to the owners of the building with regards to their aggressive behavior. The defense team tried to blame Diane, whom was a LaCrosse coach for St. Mary's College in nearby Moraga for the attack. It hit close to home for me because I had many friends who attended that college. It was a tragic loss and totally avoidable, just like this case.

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            • stegall, not crass at all, I have talked to quite a few people, when I was dealing with dangerous dogs next door, and at work this week.

              I have written numerous letters, my attorney has as well, even to Gov Bill Owens, and I will continue until Elbert County gets a dangerous dog law and enforces it. I am completely against breed specific legislation, it is just wrong, but a dangerous dog law would help us out here, no matter what the breed.

              This could have been easily prevented, which is what disturbs me the most. Those dogs could have been humanely euthanized and that woman would still be alive. It is so sad. There is a State charge they could have used back in April that would have prevented it, and will most likely be used now. I haven't seen the news today to see if she was charged or not, but I was told it would be today or tomorrow by an Elbert County Sherrif.

              Love means attention, which means looking after the things we love. We call this stable management.
              - George H. Morris
              http://community.webshots.com/user/flycak
              WestWind Farms
              Love means attention, which means looking after the things we love. We call this stable management.
              - George H. Morris

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              • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ishi:

                If it makes anyone feel better, the dog died a bad death too. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                Excuse me. Did I misunderstand this statement? How could any animal lover "feel better" because the dog suffered? This was a horrible tragedy, but let's place the blame where it belongs: on the irresponsible dog owner!

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                • MHM, whileI agree with you, I feel you took that out of context, or maybe I didn't write well enought to explain what I was feeling. I wrote it because of the deep sense of futility I felt after seeing the dogs, photographing them, and speaking to the sheriff. If you had seen the dogs, maybe you would understand, maybe not. It is the only thing I can say about them.

                  I am very sorry if I offended you, or anyone else. I have been doing this almost nonstop since Sunday afternoon, until today, and I guess it has just really gotten to me. I apologise.

                  Love means attention, which means looking after the things we love. We call this stable management.
                  - George H. Morris
                  http://community.webshots.com/user/flycak
                  WestWind Farms
                  Love means attention, which means looking after the things we love. We call this stable management.
                  - George H. Morris

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                  • While I can only imagine how difficult this time has been for those directly involved, I cannot imagine blaming a dog for being a dog. I do blame the dog owner for being irresponsible to an incredible degree.

                    These dogs obviously had a history of bad behavior which should have been addressed long ago by their owner and the local government agencies. I only hope this sad event will result in better laws and enforcement so you and your community will never have to go through such a nightmare again.

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                    • Original Poster

                      ishi..

                      One of my very best friends is one of the Victims Assistence people out there. She said that everyone who is dealing with this on a "professional" basis is having a very difficult time.

                      She said that the people staffing (like yourself) are pretty much distraught about all this and that the animal control people are extremely upset about what happened to the dogs.....NOT because they didn't NEED to be shot..

                      But because they DID need to be shot.. all because an owner was not responsible for her pets. The tragedy for the dogs is that they did not deserve to die any more than Jennifer did..they COULD have been taken care of properly and neither Jennifer NOR the dogs would have had to die...

                      I am so sorry that you have had to deal with this mess and wish it were different..but at least YOU have a feeling of sympthy and emphty for the plight of the poor animals...It simply was not their fault, it did not need to happen..

                      The family is having a very difficult time dealing with this entire mess, not really knowing what to do or which way to go. Such a shock to all of them BUT they do not blame the dogs either...the owner!!!!

                      Jennifer raised Besingi (sp) dogs and loved all animals..

                      It is just such a tradegy...PLEASE don't hesitate to get help and support right away..I cannot imagine how difficult this must be for you...Thank you for being involved and helping!!

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                      • Ishi & Khobstetter, and everyone else involved. I am just so sickened by this and so sorry for all this pain and crap this ordeal is dumping on you.

                        The truth is rarely pure, and never simple. Oscar Wilde
                        The truth is rarely pure, and never simple. Oscar Wilde

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                        • Carolinela - I dont think you could get everyone who owns a pitbull to have them muzzle their dogs. It just wouldnt happen. Not only that, but how would you enforce it? Cost of muzzle itself? It **seems** like a good idea, but would never come to fruition.

                          Im deeply sorry for your loss knobsetter, this is a terrible tradgedy. It shouldnt have happened, but hopefully stronger laws will come into play as a result. Or, perhaps some individuals on this board even, may think twice about what breed of dog they will buy; or how they care for that dog while in their ownership.

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                          • I read this last night in our local paper. How sad. Is her Husband doing Okay?

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                            • khobstetter, I am so saddened by this. Condolences to all her friends and family.

                              ~formerly Master Tally~

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                              • BSL is NOT the answer (whether that be banning or requiring muzzles). We need to have legislation in place to deal with aggressive dogs of ALL breeds. I don't care if it's a toy poodle. Most people who work in pit rescue advocate putting down people aggressive dogs. "Blame the deed, not the breed" Let's face it, a lot of the bad dog owners (the sort of owners that will allow their dogs to roam in packs, too) wouldn't go through licensing, muzzling, whatever anyways - it's like people who fight dogs. They're already breaking laws for their own sick amusement, what's a few more? Actually, there was a case in MD of some sort of little fluffy white dog who bit three people in a one month span - animal control removed the dog (they had originally adopted it out) & was going to euthenize it, per their regulations. The owner was fighting it - don't know what ever happened with that case.

                                If my dog (a not very pitbull looking pitbull) ever attacked someone unprovoked, I would have her euthenized. Same goes for any OTHER dog I own - it has nothing to do with the fact that she's a pit. It would break my heart, but it's the responsible thing to do. Thankfully, she's a very tolerant pup & excellent with people - she passed her CGC in July, and I am very vigilent in managing her. She's never put a foot wrong. I try not to put her in situations where she CAN put a foot wrong. Other than being supervised in our fenced backyard (off leash), when we are outside the house, she is leashed & attached to me at all times. Most of you probably wouldn't recognize her as a 'pitbull' if you saw her on the street. I know most people are shocked to find out she's a pit.

                                Last night, there was an intact male pit wandering my neighborhood. He was none too friendly - came up on a neighbors porch & was growling at their dog. He walked by my house & stopped - I went to see if he had tags, and while he wasn't out and out aggressive towards me, he looked a little off. I think he may have been a fighting dog, as his ears were cropped very, very closely & in a very home made fashion (ie, probably done with scissors). In retrospect, I should've called animal control. I am sick and tired of seeing big dogs of ALL breeds wandering around without leashes - it's asking for a bad situation. I was cornered on my porch a few weeks ago by a big lab who is around the neighborhood (unleashed) relatively frequently.

                                Khobstetter, this was an awful event, but kudos to you for having such a balanced, rational outlook on things, even in this time of sorrow. These dogs should've been taken care of LONG ago - or better yet, managed correctly in the first place. I really do wish you had to have a license to own pets in this country.

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                                • I'm not good with analogies, but let me try my hand at it...

                                  Someone related these dogs to stallions earlier, and how they're considered lethal weapons in some states. Now all of us know, being horse lovers, that it's just in their nature to behave like stallions and sometimes it can be dangerous, but not all stallions are dangerous! This law is just a precautionary measure to insure that owners of stallions will be extra aware of there horses potential and the consequences related.

                                  Now it seems to me the owners of pit bulls could benefit from just such a law, but they are always so incredibly protective of their breed that the won't hear of it. Wither you like it or not, statistics show that Pit Bulls are far more dangerous on the whole as a breed. There is no arguing that. Now, we all know that absolutes don't apply to everything and that there are some sweet Pit's, but on the whole that is not the case!

                                  Think of it this way, if you had a gun that tended to misfire more often than your other guns wouldn't you quit using it? Or even encourage the manufacturer to quit producing it?

                                  Or, how little kids kept blowing off their thumbs with M80 firecrackers, so the manufactures quit producing them. In fact it became illegal to sell them! Now all firecrackers have the potential to hurt people, but M80's tended to do it more often and to a much worse degree. It is the same with Pit's! No, it's not their fault they are the way they are and no, not all of them are vicious, but the risk is much higher of them going off accidentally and to a much worse degree. If you want a dog that will love, it doesn't have to be a pit!

                                  We all understand you love your rescued Pit, but the fact is that they are bred for the wrong reasons!
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                                  • What's wrong with muzzles?

                                    The truth is rarely pure, and never simple. Oscar Wilde
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                                    • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by emcallaway:
                                      Now, we all know that absolutes don't apply to everything and that there are some sweet Pit's, but on the whole that is not the case!

                                      Think of it this way, if you had a gun that tended to misfire more often than your other guns wouldn't you quit using it? Or even encourage the manufacturer to quit producing it?

                                      <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                      em, that is just not a true statement. There are NOT more bad than good pitbulls. The only ones you hear about in the press and on TV are the bad ones, but there are MILLIONS AND MILLIONS that are perfectly normal dogs on all counts. Go to a dog show and watch the AmStaffs - you won't find a growling face-off in the ring, as you can in terriers. It just isn't so.

                                      They CAN tend to be dog/animal aggressive. Mine are. But it DOES NOT translate to human aggression! The dogs know the difference!

                                      Please don't make uninformed statements. Many dogs of this breed are misused, abused and owned by the worst people that could possibly own them. But those are the minority, not the majority.

                                      VICIOUS dogs and IRRESPONSIBLE OWNERS must be punished, and harshly enough to make it count. But you cannot single out a specific breed.

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                                      • Khobstetter I am so sorry for your loss

                                        May Jennifer be surrounded by her loving, safe, sane, stable, sweet Basenjis forever

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                                        • Just some interesting statistics I found online:

                                          THE STATISTICS - FATAL DOG ATTACKS IN THE U.S. FROM 1965 - 2001 *

                                          The study covers 431 documented human fatalities from a dog attack.


                                          Location of Attack
                                          25% of all fatal attacks were inflicted by chained dogs
                                          25% resulted from dogs loose in their yard
                                          23% occurred inside the home
                                          17% resulted from attacks by dogs roaming off their property
                                          10% involved leashed dogs or miscellaneous circumstances

                                          Number of Dogs
                                          68% of all fatal attacks were inflicted by a single dog
                                          32% was the result of a multiple dog attack

                                          Victim Profile
                                          79% of all fatal attacks were on children under the age of 12
                                          12% of the victims were the elderly, agedÂ* 65 - 94
                                          9% of the victims were 13 - 64 years old


                                          The age group with the highest number of fatalities were children under the age of 1 year old; accounting for 19% of Â*the deaths due to dog attack. Over 95% of these fatalities occurred when an infant was left unsupervised with a dog(s).

                                          The age group with the second-highest number of fatalities were 2-year-olds;Â* accounting for 11% of the fatalities due to dog attack. Over 87% of these fatalities occurred when the 2-year-old child was left unsupervised with a dog(s) or the child wandered off to the location of the dog(s).

                                          Boys aged 1 - 12 years old were 2.5 times more likely to be the victim of a fatal dog attack than girls of the same age.


                                          Â*Breeds Involved
                                          Pit Bull and Pit-bull-type dogs (21%), Mixed breed dogs (16%),
                                          Rottweilers (13%), German Shepherd Dogs (9%), Wolf Dogs (5%),
                                          Siberian Huskies (5%), Malamutes (4%), Great Danes (3%),
                                          St. Bernards (3%), Chow Chows (3%), Doberman Pinschers (3%),
                                          other breeds & non-specified breeds (15%).
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