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  • #41
    If I could make it I certainly would. But I'll be there in spirit!
    RIP Bo, the real Appassionato
    5/5/84-7/12/08

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      #42
      As some of you may know, Quincy's owner contacted myspace to have her page pulled. However, it is back up and running. We will not back down for this mare. Updates will be posted on the blog section on a regular basis...

      If you were a friend on her page before, please put in a friend request to be added again. We had over 3000 hits in less than a week from all over the world.

      www.myspace.com/quincysplight

      Thank you for your continued support.
      Drop the drama and ride!

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      • #43
        So so very sad

        I have ill tast for MASS horse society after seeing Quincy.

        The owners beliefs aside... think about Quincy...

        She was once so beautiful... and still is but it is time to let her go...

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          #44
          For those who have been watching, Quincy's owner has managed to get her myspace pulled again.

          So, please visit www.myspace.com/helpinghorsesne

          This site tracks abuse cases that are in the headlines all over the place. Her story is there to.

          Thank you for your support.
          Drop the drama and ride!

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          • #45
            Quincy passed away

            From The Horse.com

            HORSE AT CENTER OF CONTROVERSIAL ABUSE CASE DIES

            by: Pat Raia
            August 11 2008, Article # 12494


            Quincy, the aged mare at the center of a Massachusetts cruelty case, died Aug. 10, just two days before her owner is to appear in a Massachusetts court to face animal cruelty charges.

            ....

            "There is no requirement that the animal be alive to move forward with the cruelty charges," Sullivan said.

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            • #46
              Good. I hope they documented everything and he is still able to be prosecuted.
              www.specialhorses.org
              a 501(c)3 organization helping 501(c)3 equine rescues

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              • #47
                I read that they hope to continue...I hope they do.
                Fines and jail times for anyone who abuses/neglects any living thing needs to increase
                <)__~~
                <\ <\,,
                The delicate and exquisite horse is itself a work of art.

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                • #48
                  Originally posted by olympicprincess View Post
                  From The Horse.com

                  HORSE AT CENTER OF CONTROVERSIAL ABUSE CASE DIES

                  by: Pat Raia
                  August 11 2008, Article # 12494

                  Quincy, the aged mare at the center of a Massachusetts cruelty case, died Aug. 10, just two days before her owner is to appear in a Massachusetts court to face animal cruelty charges.
                  ....
                  "There is no requirement that the animal be alive to move forward with the cruelty charges," Sullivan said.
                  Here's the link to the full article:
                  http://www.thehorse.com/ViewArticle.aspx?ID=12494

                  Not surprisingly, Quincy's asshat owner's lawyer is pushing to have the "case dismissed" or "evidence suppressed":

                  Excerpt from follow-up article in The Horse:

                  "The attorney representing Elliott Saffran, the Massachusetts man accused of animal cruelty for refusing to euthanize Quincy, his aged, infirm horse, has filed motions to either dismiss the case against Saffran or suppress evidence pertinent to it."

                  Link to complete article:
                  http://www.thehorse.com/ViewArticle.aspx?ID=12515


                  At least now Quincy is no longer suffering, but it breaks my heart to know she did so for so long.
                  Equus Keepus Brokus

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                  • #49
                    Originally posted by snkstacres View Post
                    I dont think actual cruelty comes into this. Why do you suppose this man keeps hanging onto this horse? He does pay board even if sporadically, he does buy the meds, it must be costing tons to keep having these vets out etc. etc?

                    This horse has no value to him, he obviously is not riding it. He has had it forever clearly. He apparently spends a great deal of time keeping this old gal up and moving.

                    While it may be deemed cruelty, there is a difference between intentional cruelty and unintentional. And we can all argue about which this one is, simply because he is told it is cruely, doesnt mean he has to believe it himself. He may believe he knows the horse better than anyone.

                    The mare deserves a dignified death without a doubt. It may well be her time or it may not if she is in a different situation. Who knows?

                    What I do know is this man needs as much help as the horse. I have learned well over the years that in helping the animals, we need to extend our hands to the humans first. In helping them, we help the horses.

                    This man needs help in letting go. I dont think the money is the problem although I did not read all the back articles, just what is posted here.

                    Heres hoping what is best for the mare will be what is done.

                    i personally think - that sunkiss has it right-- some people cant as in they just cant bring themselves to whats needed-- its hard to ame that kind of discission

                    i agree its unintentional
                    as th e man is paying for medication etc= so its not that he doesnt care the truth is he does- but the mare is old and been his freind for along time possiabl the only family he has
                    so its love in an odd way

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                    • #50
                      Originally posted by goeslikestink View Post
                      i personally think - that sunkiss has it right-- some people cant as in they just cant bring themselves to whats needed-- its hard to ame that kind of discission

                      i agree its unintentional
                      as th e man is paying for medication etc= so its not that he doesnt care the truth is he does- but the mare is old and been his freind for along time possiabl the only family he has
                      so its love in an odd way
                      Unfortunately, that was not the case with this man. He didn't provide the pain meds, he was seen kicking the mare to get her up when she was down in her stall- this had nothing to do with a man loving a horse for years and having a hard time letting go.This is about his ego, not about a great love for the horse. She was his property and he could do as he sees fit- that is what this whole issue is about, and wasting money and court time. You and sunkist certainly have an idealistic view of the situation- but are far, far from the truth!

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                      • #51
                        I don't know what will happen in the courts for this owner, but he has a $30,000 bill coming to him from Fairfield Equine hospital for housing and whatever care and compassion they could provide for her.
                        "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." Albert Einstein

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                        • #52
                          I couldn't join myspace, tried twice, something about a technical error. I'll see if I can try again later. This case breaks my heart. I don't understand how someone could have an animal obviously in chronic pain and choose to let it continue to suffer. My thoughts will be with this mare until there's a positive update..
                          I saw the angel in the marble and I set him free. - Michaelangelo

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                          • #53
                            Court date update, cross post from Equinesite

                            I have been requested to cross post this here as an attempt to get as many horse folks to attend the trial as possible:

                            "For any of you following Quincy's story and those that want to help:
                            Quincy's new court date is December 4 at Worcester District Court, 9am.
                            There have been several people who religiously attend each and every hearing. I myself have made the trip several times. After a longggg process, many delays and attempts to have evidence supressed and charges dismissed, a December date in Worcester has been scheduled for a trial date to be set.
                            The DA in Uxbridge is following this case to Worcester. He is so outraged by the alleged's behaviour, he is determined to follow this case through. There will be a new judge in Worcester, as Uxbridge does not offer jury trials.
                            Why is this important?
                            Nowhere has precedent been set that makes refusing to end suffering, ignoring euthanization recommendation by multiple vets, a form of abuse. We need to set precedent.
                            Not only are there allegations of mistreatment and neglect on various occasions, there is the dismissal of multiple professional opinions as to the opinion that the horse is suffering and should be euthanized.
                            What can you do?
                            Request the day off to attend the hearing where the date will be set for trial. Remember, this is a new judge, and a well versed DA. The more people IN the courtroom wearing our customary purple ribbons, the better. It is a show of strength, a silent show of support for Quincy. We are noticed. Our numbers count. All you need to do is attend, sit quietly, and display your purple ribbon. That's all.
                            This is important. Very, very important. Quincy is the poster child in this capacity for proper and ethical treatment of animals. It's not like Animal Planets: Animal Cops. The MSPCA is involved, Animal control is involved, the medical facility where she died tried to take control and do the right thing....yet no one could do anything to alleviate Quincy's suffering. She died August 10th, thank heavens, is no longer awaiting a court decision, and enduring pain while the wheels of justice were slowly grinding due to stall tactics, ridiculous attenpts to skew evidence and attempts to have charges dismissed.
                            Just because she is gone is no reason to stop trying to change what is wrong. Quincy was a fighter and so are we.
                            We need to set precedent. We need the court to rule that witholding recommended euthanasia is a form of abuse.
                            To help make this happen:
                            We need YOU on December 4 2008 in Worcester Court. Can you make the time?
                            For more information E-mail: calysgal24@equinesite.com "
                            There are friends and faces that may be forgotten, but there are horses that never will be. - Andy Adams

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                            • #54
                              Quincy, the abused horse wronged by the MSPCA and her owner

                              Greetings, all

                              The trial of Quincy's (alleged) abuser is happening this Thursday (February 5) at the Worcester, MA district court house (225 Main Street, Worcester, MA).

                              Many of the people who have regularly attended the hearings have been subpoenaed to testify. Those testifying cannot be in the courtroom during the trial, which will cut down considerably on the number of people who are sitting in the court room in support of Quincy.

                              If you are within driving distance of Worcester, please consider joining us. As the previous post mentioned, we have been wearing purple ribbons in the court room, and are most definitely noticed by the judge(s).

                              The trial will likely take one or two days. Even if you can attend only one day, your presence will be appreciated.

                              Thanks.

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                              • #55
                                I will be there in spirit, and watching the news, hopefully this will end in justice being served.
                                There are friends and faces that may be forgotten, but there are horses that never will be. - Andy Adams

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                                • #56
                                  Please let us know what happens, and thanks for the update.
                                  www.specialhorses.org
                                  a 501(c)3 organization helping 501(c)3 equine rescues

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                                  • #57
                                    I can't be there but I hope there is some justice for Quincy that comes from all of this. I've thought about her often as my mare had the same type of injury Quincy sustained to her knee. Cherry was not nearly as bad off as Quincy and could get around under her own steam.

                                    Every time I went out to see my horse I promised her that I would not allow her to end up like Quincy--in pain, struggling to stay on her feet and crashing head first into the stall boards when she couldn't. When it became clear to me that even with pain medication my dear horse was suffering I had her euthanized because I cared about her and her quality of life.

                                    How a human being can stand by and watch a horse struggle like Quincy must have been struggling yet not do anything about it just boggles my mind! I don't think it had anything to do with love but was all about control....

                                    RIP dear Quincy, old girl. I'm sure my Cherry has found you by now and you two are tearing up the pasture in Heaven....

                                    What's wrong with people?????
                                    "Don't blame Hogg or the other teens. The adults are supposed to know better. If only we could find any." ~Tom Nichols, professor of national security affairs at the Naval War College~

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                                    • #58
                                      Thanks, all.

                                      I (or someone else who attends the trial) will report in here asap Thursday afternoon.

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                                      • #59
                                        Mini-update:

                                        a 6-person (plus one alternate) jury was seated, we got through the testimony of two people (MSPCA officer and veterinarian); a third (stable worker) was still on the stand when court recessed for the day.

                                        Testimony continues tomorrow, and at this point it looks like the trial will continue through Monday, at least.

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                                        • #60
                                          Keep us updated, please.
                                          Sandy
                                          www.sugarbrook.com
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