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  • #81
    Statuatory rape is only concerned with the victim vis a vis his/her age. The age of the victim means the victim has no legal standing to consent to the situation.

    The way the law sees it, it's the adult's responsibility to know that their own actions are legal. Also, as in child abuse/neglect cases, the PD/county/city can bring charges against the adult; the child or child's parents do not have to press charges for the case to move through the courts. Most states (if not all) have a mandate to investigate any allegations of statuatory rape (as with child abuse).

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    • #82
      Rockstar, do you know any adolescent teens? Have you spent sufficient time with them, hearing of their crushes on musicians and actors, watching them primp for a party with giddy delight, witnessed how they agonize over their skin, clothes, popularity? Because if you have, you'd probably understand well that statements such as the one below are outrageous:

      <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>And, it's one thing to prey upon some innocent little girl with, at best, a crush, and another thing to have a sexual relationship with someone that may, like I said before, be 14 going on 25. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

      Do you really believe that a sexually provocative 14 year old is acting out of lust and the understanding of a no-strings attached sexual affair more so than a desparate need to fill an emotional void?

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      • #83
        <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by HSM:
        Are you KIDDING me????!!!!

        <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Is she a 14 year old who just last week put her Breyer horses in the attic and bought her first bra? Or, is she a 14 year old who has already had some experience with the opposite sex and makes Brittany Spears look demure? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
        I really cannot fathom what difference any of that makes. As many of us has said, 14 is 14, and an adult is an adult, according to both the law AND the morals of most people.

        And did you REALLY mean to say this??

        <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Are her parents the show parents that live their wonderul Westchester lives, write the checks, rely on the nanny, and pay no mind to what's going on? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

        Who's generalizing and judging now?

        I DO hope these charges are false - but I am also afraid that if they are not, we will be seeing the same "blaming the victim" syndrome even then.

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        I'm just the mom....<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

        OK, just to clarify again, because I think I'm coming off as defending the perpetrator of the crime, if the crime actually took place.

        I'm not blaming the victim!

        I'm just not blaming the "molester"!

        Here's the thing- I'm not blaming ANYone!! That's my point- no one who isn't aware of all of the different circumstances has the right to blame here!!

        And yes, of course I was generalizing- I was doing it to illustrate that there are a gazaliion factors that led up to what happened, whether or not what happened is truth or lies. And those factors, i believe, should be taken into consideratoin when a case like this is considered.

        And, I imagine, when it's time for trial, all of those factors WILL be considered by both the prosecutors and the defense attorneys.

        Support F.O.B.B.

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        • #84
          Heidi I was just about to respond with amazement to the same exact quote:

          <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> And, it's one thing to prey upon some innocent little girl with, at best, a crush, and another thing to have a sexual relationship with someone that may, like I said before, be 14 going on 25.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

          My response is: No, it's not "another thing" at all. A sexual relationship with a minor is a sexual relationship with a minor - period.

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          • #85
            rockstar, I guess we're going to just have to agree to disagree.

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            I'm just the mom....

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            • #86
              rockstar, I didn't mean to bash you (or anyone else) at all...I did remember that you had a job in politics from some old threads, so that's why I wrote "as you know..." trying to acknowledge that I know you know that's the best way to change things you don't like. In my drive to be brief, I hope I didn't slight you.

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              • #87
                <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> BTW, the argument that a 14 year old child may well be sexually mature is the basis on which NAMBLA exploits its pedophilic practises. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                You mean the North American Marlon Brando Lookalikes Association?

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                • #88
                  <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MKM:
                  ok, seahorse, you have a point in a hypothetical situation. if a girl could pass for 23 and told the guy she was 23, then yes, i can see how we'd feel that she is at fault (although i have no idea what the actual law says there).

                  but the situation that sparked this whole conversation involves a student and a coach. if she's 14, i doubt she could pass for 18. even if she could, he's her coach, he knows how old she is.

                  and, we've all just assumed it's a "she", i guess it's possible it could be a "he". that happens. maybe it said in one of the articles it was a "she" and i just didnt look closely enough.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                  Where does it say that it was a trainer/student relationship. That is only speculation.

                  Many people are assuming that is the case, but no where, unless I missed something, does it state that he was the trainer of the minor.

                  Considering that is has been at least 2 years since he had a student of age 14, it just doesn't seem to fit.



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                  • #89
                    Another thought for the lawyers to answer

                    Exactly how "far" does the relationship have to go to have a charge of misdemeanor? I understand that ANY contact can bring a charge regarding a minor, especially if the parents wanted to push it, but could a simple kiss be enough, or must the "relationship" have gone further.

                    Hope that makes sense.



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                    • #90
                      Starlite . As a matter of fact, I bet the members of NAMBLA DO look a lot like Marlon Brando!! (As he is now, of course!)

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                      • #91
                        Rockstar - I agree with you. I find it hard to put the blame on ANYone at this point in the game. I'm certainly not saying it's the victim's fault but like you, I am also not saying it's entirely the abuser's fault either.

                        As an adult should he have known better? In the circumstance where he knew she was 14, yes. In the circumstance where she lied and said she was 18, no. None of us know the exact circumstances so when we post our emotions its probably a good idea to state which of the above circumstances you are assuming it is. I don't care what any of you say, there are some damn rotten ass children out there who will do whatever they can to trash an adult's reputation, and while I'm not saying that is necessarily the case here, none of us know that. And if any of us do we are certainly not at liberty to say it now are we.

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                        • #92
                          Molly99, the difference between felony and misdemeanor in a statuatory rape case varies from state to state. One factor is usually the age difference between the adult and the minor -- 4 years or less is a misdemeanor, over that it's a felony. This is to distinguish older teen-younger teen relationships from cases involving older adults and minors.

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                          • #93
                            Wow, this is one scary topic....even if the child was not a student, I do assume she is an equestrian....MOST LIKELY SHOWING IN THE JUNIOR DIVISION! Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out she's under age! SHAME on the adult!!!

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                            • #94
                              Did I miss something? (Always a possibility. ) The articles posted early on in the thread said very plainly that no sexual intercourse had occurred and that it was more a case of inappropriate sexual contact (whatever that may have been).

                              Which is why I'm now a bit confused as to why we're talking about statutory rape and sexual encounters and the rest? I assume we're just talking in generalities and not about this case?

                              We all agree, I think, that none of us knows the details of this particular case. And to play the devil's advocate, we've all heard the stories of high school coaches getting in trouble for patting girls on the butt for a good effort, hugging a kid a little too close in an emotional moment and the like.

                              I'm NOT saying that this is the case here; I don't KNOW what the case is here. But, again, by the charges, it does not appear that the child in question was raped, statutorily or otherwise (and I'm including the "other option" in this case, since I imagine if "it" had happened, he would have been charged with it ).

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                              • #95
                                Yep, pretty much most of the comments are referring to the abuse issue in general and not to this specific case. Several folks have been careful to say they don't know anything about this case other than what has been reported and are not commenting in it. And I think we're all firmly agreed that the accused is innocent until proven guilty, we can't speculate about what may or may not have happened, and we hope the charges do turn out to be unjustified, for everyone's sake.
                                "I don't want to sound like a broken record here, but why is it that a woman will forgive homicidal behavior in a horse, yet be highly critical of a man for leaving the toilet seat up?" Dave Barry

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                                • #96
                                  BEEZER

                                  Quote from HSM (page 2)

                                  I'd say that this constitutes support: story in local paper

                                  This article goes into a little more detail about the charges, such as:
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                                  James Doyle, 48, faces two counts each of second- and third-degree sexual abuse and one count of endangering the welfare of a child. Details of the allegations were sealed and were not discussed in court last night. Second-degree sexual abuse often involves subjecting a minor to sexual contact.
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                                  Sounds like a bit more than
                                  "patting girls on the butt for a good effort, hugging a kid a little too close in an emotional moment and the like."

                                  Remember BAIL WAS $50,0000. Something went down that was not appropriate!

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                                  • #97
                                    rottenrobbie, I think all we can say is that the accusation is that something went down that was not appropriate.
                                    "I don't want to sound like a broken record here, but why is it that a woman will forgive homicidal behavior in a horse, yet be highly critical of a man for leaving the toilet seat up?" Dave Barry

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                                    • #98
                                      Yes Portia you're correct the "Accusation", but WOW 50K does make one see this is being looked at by the authotities that this guy may be a sexual offender.
                                      I also must say I think it's disresptful that people on this board are blaming the child. I'm not in "The Know" on this situation but really some people saying "How can her parents put her through this?"...I'm sure they (the girl and family) have had counseling and may feel this is the best healing situation for her! Let's hope it work out the best for everyone involved...the whole thing is unfortunate and shows the VERY UGLY side to our industry!

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                                      • #99
                                        rottenrobbie, I can appreciate your point -- and your outrage. But as one of the articles posted points out, no sexual intercourse occurred. Sexual contact, yes, but not intercourse. "Sexual contact" can run the gamut from butt-patting to fondling to heavy petting to just short of the ultimate act. We don't know where on the scale this falls, nor do we know why the bail was set so high, since the prosecutor declined to comment on it.

                                        And for the record, I'm not blaming the victim. I have no idea WHO to blame since I wasn't there and don't know the facts. None of us do, unless one of us is the defendant or victim in the case.

                                        ***Dear Sam: All I really want for Mother's Day is FLYING LEAD CHANGES!!***
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                                        • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Portia:
                                          rottenrobbie, I think all we can say is that the _accusation_ is that something went down that was not appropriate.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                          An accusations with enough facts and credible testimony to get an indictment... (and the first person to make the "ham sandwich" argument gets a big ole Aunt Ester purse upside the head!! I've worked with the Grand Jury and it's NOT that easy!!! )

                                          <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Beezer:
                                          And for the record, I'm not blaming the victim. I have no idea WHO to blame since I wasn't there and don't know the facts. None of us do, unless one of us is the defendant or victim in the case. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                          ....or a victim who just might be reading these very boards behind an anonymous screen name. Let's just try and keep that in mind before our conversation gets too graphic or into too much speculation on anyone's character.

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