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  • Potential government shut down impacts on horse owners

    Just curious what impacts might be felt by horse owners. Would we not be able to get Brand inspections? Get hay certified at weed free? Could we cross boarders without proper health papers? Anyone have any insight on what services used by the equine industry would be impacted?

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    Well I'd imagine that brand inspectors are employed by state governments, not the federal government, so that should remain unaffected.

    I have no idea about the hay, but first cutting isn't for awhile yet anyway right?

    You've always been able to cross state borders without health papers. Just pray you don't get pulled over.

    Really, I know everyone is have a Chicken Little moment over this, but it won't be the first time for a government shutdown. The government shut down twice under Clinton.

    Besides, it remains to be seen that the government will actually shut down this time. At this point, I kind of wish they'd just do it and get it over with instead of the continuing resolution limbo hell we've been in for the last however many months...
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    • #3
      ugh, maybe just settele down. SNL is correst, this is not the first time it has happened, and no ill effects came the last times.
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        #4
        Originally posted by chunky munky View Post
        ugh, maybe just settele down. SNL is correst, this is not the first time it has happened, and no ill effects came the last times.
        Wow, I didn't know I was in need of settling down. I don't think I'll have any issues with my one retired horse. I was just curious. Personally, I think we should let them shut down, but I was interested in what impacts might be felt by the horse community and wanted to brainstorm. I guess my time would be better spent stalking some teenage girl on You Tube...

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        • #5
          The only one I can think of would be stopping at the borders checking trucks, but I am not sure if that would even be affected. Now, it might very well affect cattle producers in that USDA inspectors in the meat plants might not be considered essential personnel. Again, I am not sure on that.

          As far as getting hay certified, Tamara In Tn would be the resident expert on that, but I am betting that would go thru either USDA or the local extension office, which is state.
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            Originally posted by Gnalli View Post
            The only one I can think of would be stopping at the borders checking trucks, but I am not sure if that would even be affected. Now, it might very well affect cattle producers in that USDA inspectors in the meat plants might not be considered essential personnel. Again, I am not sure on that.
            I'd bet it's considered essential to public health and safety. I really don't see them allowing meat that hasn't been inspected into the food supply.
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            • #7
              uh, I may have trouble paying for board next month?

              Does that count?

              And won't be going to Rolex (that's, what, hundreds of dollahs at least that won't be spent in the great state of Kentucky. Sorry, Kentucky.)

              (I would think there could be some problems with people shipping horses either way overseas, and importing, but not sure about anything else)
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              • #8
                Well, the impact for me would be more time to ride the horses, since I would be on furlough in standby status e.g. only to report if called for an emergency.

                The trick there, of course, is that I cannot answer my government issue cell phone, any work or use of government equipment while in furlough status being potential cause for a hefty fine. But then my boss has my personal cell number anyhow knowing that if I am riding a horse, that's how to reach me.

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                • #9
                  One economist said to think of a big snowstorm hitting Washington. The effect on the general public would be about the same.

                  Not too long after the '95 "shutdown", a big storm did hit DC. The joke on The Weather Channel was that Ma Nature said, "You call that a shutdown? Let me show you a REAL shutdown!"
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Frank B View Post
                    One economist said to think of a big snowstorm hitting Washington. The effect on the general public would be about the same.
                    heh.

                    I think that's bad, actually. We work so hard to keep the "essential" stuff rolling that people don't notice when we're down, so it sort of gives the impression we're not needed.

                    I think they should really shut it down. I'd give it ONE day without FAA, TSA, and food safety inspection before they're forced to pull their heads from their rectums and get a budget passed.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by 4Martini View Post
                      Personally, I think we should let them shut down,
                      well as someone who lives in the DC area and knows some of the thousands and thousands of people whose sole income comes from the federal government and are worrying about how they are going to pay bills without a paycheck, I do not think we should just let them shut it down.
                      But to answer your question, I doubt the shutdown will have much effect on horse owning per se. The only "state" government that will be closed as a result of a shut down is DC and there are about 10 horses that live in DC. I hope the people who care for park police horses get paid.
                      It is hard to determine what functions will still occur other than law enforcement and other obvious ones because most of the agencies themselves have not told employees let alone the public who is essential and who is non-essential (only essential personnel will be allowed to work during a shutdown). Although I am sure TSA and certain portions of the FAA will be considered essential.
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                        Originally posted by chunky munky View Post
                        ugh, maybe just settele down. SNL is correst, this is not the first time it has happened, and no ill effects came the last times.
                        Depends on what you call ill effects I suppose
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                          Well, clearly the people who say "shut it down" dont rely on the government for their paycheck.

                          We do and if it does shut down and lasts too long we wont be able to buy hay to feed our horses. A series of emergencies this year has left us short handed on savings. A shut down would also delay our tax refund that we sorely need to get all the horse's teeth done and get the dog to the vet for an expensive phenobarb work up. So I dont take this current Congressional clusterf*ck very lightly.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Mrs.ChickenBritches View Post
                            A shut down would also delay our tax refund
                            Word here is that if you filed electronically, it will still get processed in somewhat timely manner.

                            If you do paper filing, all bets are off.

                            (as a fed with little savings and just finishing off some major bills, I feel your pain. I just think if there IS a shutdown, it should be a real one, because that would be the only thing I could think of to spur congresspeople into acting like adults and getting something done)
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Frank B View Post
                              One economist said to think of a big snowstorm hitting Washington. The effect on the general public would be about the same.

                              Not too long after the '95 "shutdown", a big storm did hit DC. The joke on The Weather Channel was that Ma Nature said, "You call that a shutdown? Let me show you a REAL shutdown!"
                              When I was a kid my dad was stationed at the Pentagon (after doing a three year tour in Alaska). It started snowing late morning one day....enough that there was snow resting on top of the grass but the roads were wet. The Pentagon sent everyone home early...we lived about 15 miles south into Virginia and it took dad 2 hours to get home...people were driving down the meridian of the highway as well as all balled up on the road. The snow backed off and melted and we went to school the next morning as I remember. The Broadway cast for My Fair Lady had been in DC for a presentation at the Ford Theatre and stayed over due to the "storm". The next morning, after we got to school and it began snowing again, they announced that they would do a special showing that evening for the school kids...tickets were $5. Back then kids didn't carry more than their lunch money with them and there weren't cell phones and such but I was lucky enough to be seated near the door and when we were allowed out to call parents for ticket $ I was able to get to a payphone and get my mom to bring ticket money. Got to see a Broadway play at the Ford Theatre due to a DC snow storm. We kind of laughed as the amount of snow was pretty puny in our experience.
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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by caffeinated View Post
                                Word here is that if you filed electronically, it will still get processed in somewhat timely manner.

                                If you do paper filing, all bets are off.
                                How much you want to bet they'll somehow manage to process e-filed taxes OWED on schedule anyway?

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by caffeinated View Post
                                  Word here is that if you filed electronically, it will still get processed in somewhat timely manner.

                                  If you do paper filing, all bets are off.

                                  (as a fed with little savings and just finishing off some major bills, I feel your pain. I just think if there IS a shutdown, it should be a real one, because that would be the only thing I could think of to spur congresspeople into acting like adults and getting something done)
                                  Unfortunately for us this year we had to file a paper return because of the home buyer credit. I think that if the military isn't going to get paid then congresspeople shouldn't either. When the shutdown happened before the military wasn't affected because the DoD had gotten their funding already. I just cant believe how childish our "leaders" are being.

                                  If worse comes to worst we will have to borrow money from my in-laws to keep everyone fed. I hate to do it but luckily they are very understanding. I will have to postpone the farrier too so I can make the truck payment. I hate feeling so stressed and cranky!

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                                  • #18
                                    I'm also a federal employee and worry that I will not be able to pay my bills next month.

                                    In past furloughs, Congress has always voted to go ahead and pay furloughed employees anyway, but with the Tea Party Whiners in control I am very concerned that this won't happen this time.

                                    I agree with the above--the shutdown should really be a shutdown and above all, CONGRESS should NOT get paid either!!!

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by anita m View Post
                                      I'm also a federal employee and worry that I will not be able to pay my bills next month.

                                      In past furloughs, Congress has always voted to go ahead and pay furloughed employees anyway, but with the Tea Party Whiners in control I am very concerned that this won't happen this time.

                                      I agree with the above--the shutdown should really be a shutdown and above all, CONGRESS should NOT get paid either!!!
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                                      • #20
                                        Both my Son in Laws are active duty- Army and Navy. The email came out today from the Family Readiness officer outlining the steps if the govt is shut down.

                                        In the instances where service members board a horse(s), barn owners may be delayed getting May 1 board or worse, the horse would be booted out. I hope a safety net is in place for any horse owners who are deployed.

                                        A girlfriend works for the Department of Agriculture. I'm always amazed that it's never a problem for her to call me, or answer her cell phone, and talk about "stuff" not related to her work for an hour or more. It's been this way for 16 years. Sigh. The chatter is longer on the days she works from home.

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