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An Open Letter UPDATE: It's On The Agenda p.8

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  • I am very grateful considering the holidays and how busy he must that David O'Connor answered my letter so promptly. It is a good sign that perhaps this new Federation will keep it's promises to us as members.

    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Thanks for the letter. It is a well thought out arguement in favor of horses. I really believe there are many changes to our current system that need/ought to be done. I believe that each of the disciplines need to relook at their goals and what they have created to take action if so desired. THis will be pushed by the "Federation" but we need to reevaluate, in all disciplines, what has been created.

    I promise to keep these issues in front of everyone starting at this years convention and then find a way to keep the pressure on. We all need to be a part of the solution though. We need concrete proposals to the problems and these need to come from the people in the know.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


    Battle Scarred Veteran
    http://www.usAHSA.org and http://www.noreinstatement.org

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    • I sent something, but one thing I wonder about that I don't think has been discussed. I know that USEF will have no direct ability to take any actions against any veterinarians involved, even if they have a great deal of evidence as to a vet's improper actions. HOWEVER, couldn't the Hearings Committee adopt a policy where, if they find evidence of a vet acting to help a competitor circumvent the drugs and medications rules, or to help conceal abuse, they as a matter of course forward their information to the applicable state licensing boards and request that those boards censure, suspend or take other action in respect of the vet? I'm thinking that could add some punch.

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      • That was amazing. You hit the nail on the head!

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        • Ummm...guys,

          I have a question. Is it legal to post the quotes of the responses to our letters??

          I am in Switzerland, and someone would have to REALLY want to track me down , but generally, is a private email publishable without persmission?

          thanks,

          Beth

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          • Original Poster

            Wow. You guys helped get it on the agenda for the Hearing Committee.

            Thank you. Avery thanks you. Willem thanks you. And many many other horses thank you too.

            Now, let's keep the e-mails coming - particularly to the Hearing Committee and to John Long - e-mail addresses are on page 5 of this thread.

            You might also send e-mails to Brian Sosby, the editor of Equestrian - his most recent e-mail to me was effectively BEGGING for more feedback from you all!!! Not just on this, but on WHATEVER concerns you may have!!

            We really do have some responsive and well-intentioned people in our NGB, and I think now is the time to give them some support.

            Blessings on all of you who have sent e-mails.

            ______________

            Thoroughbreds! Everything else is just a horse. :-)
            "The standard you walk by is the standard you accept."--Lt. Gen. David Morrison, Austalian Army Chief

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            • chjoker,

              I think if it's your own email, it's your property and you have a right to do with it whatever you want? Maybe? But if not, just paraphrase what they say! That's definitley not illegal, right?

              Keep up the great work guys!

              ***God forbid that I should go to any heaven in which there are no horses***

              ~~member of the Chicken Jumper Clique (AND PROUD OF IT!!) , IHSA clique & only child clique~~
              ***God forbid that I should go to any heaven in which there are no horses***
              ~~member of the Chicken Jumper Clique (AND PROUD OF IT!!) , IHSA clique~~

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              • Gee, Liz, bet you never thought you'd get this kind of action from one little letter. Full marks to you, girl!

                I'm still mentally composing my letter to all on the list y'all so kindly compiled. From what I've read here today, I'm a bit ashamed that I haven't done it yet, and will make it my newest resolution to get it done today.

                Well done Liz! It's true, one person can change things for the better. Thank you for reminding us of that.
                In loving memory of Laura Jahnke.
                A life lived by example, done too soon.
                www.caringbridge.org/page/laurajahnke/

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                • Ok... so what exactly do you do? I have a letter typed up... do I sent it to ALL the email addresses listed at once? Or just Mr. Long and Mr. O'Connor? Or just the committee?

                  Alison

                  Farriers are like cats. They don't like to go out in the rain and they don't come when you call them.

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                  • As I reported a while ago, my computer had some issues with a few of the email addresses on the list and refused to send. I ended up sending my letter to David and Dr. Lengel. I hope that will be useful. Good going, kids.

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                    • Original Poster

                      Send it to all of them. You'll get a couple of bounce messages, but that's OK. If you have AOL, just delete the e-mail addresses that are bouncing and re-send.

                      The hearing committee in particular needs to hear from you before the convention.

                      Thanks!!!

                      ______________

                      Thoroughbreds! Everything else is just a horse. :-)
                      "The standard you walk by is the standard you accept."--Lt. Gen. David Morrison, Austalian Army Chief

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                      • Liz, are you planning to go to the convention? You can email me privately if you wish....

                        JPM

                        "He is your friend, your partner, your defender, your dog. You are his life, his love, his leader. He will be yours, faithful and true, to the last beat of his heart. You owe it to him to be worthy of his devotion."
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                        [i]\"He is your friend, your partner, your defender, your dog. You are his life, his love, his leader. He will be yours, faithful and true, to the last beat of his heart. You owe it to him to be wo

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                        • Original Poster

                          Unfortunately, no. I've had a rough year and it just isn't viable either financially or timewise, never even MIND if I want to keep my new job. Not by any means intended as a whine BTW - just the sordid facts!!

                          ______________

                          Thoroughbreds! Everything else is just a horse. :-)
                          "The standard you walk by is the standard you accept."--Lt. Gen. David Morrison, Austalian Army Chief

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                          • Okay, so who is going?? We need representatives!!

                            We need organization!!

                            I, for one, am willing to donate a few bucks to the cause.

                            We should have some sort of organization here, so that we can have some representatives attend the meetings and give us feedback of what is going on, plus make it possible for those of us who are so inclined (and cannot attend in person due to the Atlantic ocean (me), or other geological or financial reason) to make a small contribution to the meeting fees.

                            But I would really like to make sure that the money would TRULY go to the entry fee for the meeting, and that the person going would in fact be willing to speak up, and voice the collective opinion. It is expensive to attend, and alot of us working girls (and boys)just don't have the money or time. BUT...the"professionals" who are committing the crimes probably do...and they probably make sure they hobnob and know so and so, and I'll bet they are VERY aware of all the issues on the table. We should be too

                            What do you think?

                            Beth

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                            • What's you email Liz? I sent it to the USEF members, but you wanted a copy too, correct?

                              Alison

                              Farriers are like cats. They don't like to go out in the rain and they don't come when you call them.

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                              • Unless the email says you may not, an email like a cell phone is considered public information, It's on the open web where hackers can read anyone's email and it's on the servers where anyone can have access.

                                Representation Yes! you need as many warm bodies as possible even if they don't talk up; because that's what counts in any politics. In the olden days what the AHSA did was fill the room with the employees and when a hand vote was called they all voted even though they were not members with a vote that should have counted. They always won at the Forums that way.

                                A verterinarian is licensed by the state and not the USEF so the Federation has no authority over them, but if there is a serious charge they could go to the Attorney General of that state and bring criminal charges.

                                What I find so offensive is that those suspended can use radios from a place just off the grounds and still do business as usual so the suspension is in essence not enforced. They send a clean member in to officiate as the trainer at the show.

                                Anyone who goes can't stand there and talk in generalities, it will make them feel better but accomplish nothing. They need to have in place exact proposals of what needs to be done by proposing how to amend the existing By-Laws and Rule book. That would be considered a constructive suggestion otherwise it's just more whining.

                                Battle Scarred Veteran
                                http://www.usAHSA.org and http://www.noreinstatement.org

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                                • Well, to date, this is the only response that I received, from Frank Lloyd. Kind of strange, in that I wasn't expecting the seemingly blaming tone, especially after several people here said (after I asked) they (Bill Roose and Ira Finkelstein) are reputable and ethical.

                                  For what it's worth:

                                  Email received from Frank Lloyd on 29Dec03:

                                  "I agree. But understand that attorneys Bill Roose And Ira Finkelstein have controlled this committee for many years. I have triedÂ* for many years to change this but without making a difference.I am an attorney and have been on the hearing committee for a number of years.They call the shots and charge the orginization HUGE dollars for their advice.Thank you for your insight.."


                                  Beth

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                                  • Done and done!

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                                    • Remember Frank Lloyd is from the USET side of the table and the other lawyers are from the USAE so there's not going to be much in friendly exchanges there.

                                      I think professional differences are going to exist but I am surprised that an attorney would send you such a quote, although I have no doubt they have never agreed on any decision.

                                      Battle Scarred Veteran
                                      http://www.usAHSA.org and http://www.noreinstatement.org

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                                      • He was definitely on the USET side and rumor has it, a pain in the wrong end during the negotiations...

                                        At the first USOC hearing, the USET lawyers seemed, literally, incompetent... Of course, the is simply IMHO!!!

                                        It's OUT! Linda Allen's 101 Exercises for Jumping co-authored by MOI!!!
                                        co-author of 101 Jumping Exercises & The Rider's Fitness Program; Soon to come: Dead Ringer - a tale of equine mystery and intrique! Former Moderator!

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                                        • Isn't it true that he and Armand Leone were also both supposed to resign if Alan Balch resigned? Not too much honor between gentlemen I think.

                                          Battle Scarred Veteran
                                          http://www.usAHSA.org and http://www.noreinstatement.org

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