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An Open Letter UPDATE: It's On The Agenda p.8

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  • Original Poster

    Might get better responses on a separate thread??

    Meanwhile, Snowbird/khobstetter/weatherford, would any of you like to print out the letter & the action proposals & put them in people's pockets??

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    Thoroughbreds! Everything else is just a horse. :-)
    "The standard you walk by is the standard you accept."--Lt. Gen. David Morrison, Austalian Army Chief

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    • I will later today get posted on our old rebel site the letters and the proposed suggestions.
      Members United Web Site



      I suggest War Admiral that you take a look at the Rule Book and indentify eactly what you would change, amend, delete or add. They like to deal with specifics. If you propose a concept it just get's beat up and put up for further research.

      I would do it but I'm still working on the Revisions to the By-Laws and I started another thread to remind you all while you're doing emails to send one regarding the fact that
      At this time it is unnecessary to select a Hunter Affiliate Association

      I have just learned that we now have in addition an application from Tom Struzzerri, he joins Gary Baker and Bill Moroney.

      I think it's important that the By-Laws with full specifications be adopted first, or we will find ourselves with a mandatory membership fee and nothing back in return.

      Battle Scarred Veteran
      http://www.usAHSA.org and http://www.noreinstatement.org

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      • Liz, I am so proud of you. Way to get the ball rolling.

        GA Clique/Drafties Clique
        Live Large- Ride a Drafty!

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        • Are any of the members of the Hearing Committee adult amateur riders?

          I have still not heard from USEF on my question about keeping a web archive of the Notices of Penalty, but don't worry, I haven't forgotten, and I won't just go away.
          If you are allergic to a thing, it is best not to put that thing in your mouth, particularly if the thing is cats. - Lemony Snicket

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          • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by khobstetter:
            GO TO THE CONVENTION!!!!!

            http://www.foxpointefarm.com
            http://www.go-sho.org<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

            khobstetter,

            Do you have a schedule which shows what meetings are being held when and are open to ordinary members? I would love to come and show support and lobby for my favorite causes, but I have been unable to find ANYTHING that would let me figure out a schedule.
            If you are allergic to a thing, it is best not to put that thing in your mouth, particularly if the thing is cats. - Lemony Snicket

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            • All Committees are supposed to be open to all members. They have also said the Board Meetings will be open.

              The Schedule is posted at http://wwww.usef.org
              Schedule for the Convention


              Battle Scarred Veteran
              http://www.usAHSA.org and http://www.noreinstatement.org

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              • I just sent my letter via email and Liz you should be receiving a copy of it as well.

                There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." - DAVE BARRY
                Libby

                There is a fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness". - Dave Barry

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                • Oy vey maria. Stay away from the computer for a few days and this is what happens.

                  War Admiral, I admire your efforts; please keep them up and please stay involved.

                  Poltroon, the list of committee members is available on the usef.org web site. Here's the hearing committee

                  And -- pretty much on point to the discussion here -- here's the list of the newly formed ethics committee We have our first meeting during the Annual Meeting, on Friday, January 16 from 3:00-5:00 p.m., in the Mediterranean Room. As you can see from the notice of what the committee is supposed to do, we have our work cut out for us, and need your input.

                  Snowbird, most of the meetings are open to all members. A few of them, however, are closed for various reasons. For example, Legal Review is closed to the public, because we have to discuss things that are protected by attorney-client and party communications privileges that would be lost if such discussions were open.
                  "I don't want to sound like a broken record here, but why is it that a woman will forgive homicidal behavior in a horse, yet be highly critical of a man for leaving the toilet seat up?" Dave Barry

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                  • Portia, I did see the list, but there are only a few names on there that I didn't recognize as being professionals - IMHO this committee in particular would be well served by some adult amateurs who are familiar with ethical standards outside the horse industry.
                    If you are allergic to a thing, it is best not to put that thing in your mouth, particularly if the thing is cats. - Lemony Snicket

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                    • I agree with you Poltroon. As far as I can tell, there are only a few possibilities on the list of hearing committee members who might qualify as adult amateurs, and perhaps then only technically rather than in the sense I think you mean. That said, there are some very good people on the committee.
                      "I don't want to sound like a broken record here, but why is it that a woman will forgive homicidal behavior in a horse, yet be highly critical of a man for leaving the toilet seat up?" Dave Barry

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                      • Oh, I certainly don't mean to disparage anyone on the current Committee - the ones I know are wonderful, ethical people and I know there is a great deal of committment required. But I think as a matter of regular policy, this committee should definitely include people who have experience making their living outside of the horse industry.
                        If you are allergic to a thing, it is best not to put that thing in your mouth, particularly if the thing is cats. - Lemony Snicket

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                        • We're on the same page, poltroon, and I know you didn't mean to knock the current members.
                          "I don't want to sound like a broken record here, but why is it that a woman will forgive homicidal behavior in a horse, yet be highly critical of a man for leaving the toilet seat up?" Dave Barry

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                          • Nice job on many things War Admiral. In particular though, I love the listing of suggestions you have compiled. I would like to maybe forward those or references in an email, but is it OK with everyone who has made the proposals that they be forwarded and/or with their net-names attached?

                            Also, while I am very very much in favor of making fines and penalties go further towards paying the way of the programs, I do think that the committee has to have wriggle room for de minimis and non-intent violations. For example, if someone is giving a disclosed med but somehow the dosage ends up testing marginally high, or it can be shown that the animal was drugged maliciously by a 3rd party, etc. The thing about the drugs and meds approach is that it does not require any evil intent, just the presence of a drug that is not allowed. Which is fair as far as placings, etc. but for fines and penalties, if a horse was drugged by a third party to make it do worse or injure it, obviously the owner/trainer should not pay a big fine on top of having their horse violated. SO I think if specific rule changes are suggested they need to keep in mind the plethora of scenarios that might be presented.

                            BTW - representing both buyer and seller, as long as the representation is disclosed and there is informed consent, is OK I believe.

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                            • Original Poster

                              I would absolutely LOFF it if you (or anyone else reading this thread) sent these along. In particular I'd suggest sending stuff to John Long (jlong@usef.org) since he is actively soliciting ideas.

                              I think LH addressed your concerns in "the LH Proposal". More detail is in her original post on the suspension list thread (see: "The Oh Star Defense" which still makes me ROFL! Nice one, LH ). If someone pokes a horse with something, USEF could then pull all the horse's previous tests and say gee, this horse never did test positive for that before.... which would create a presumption of innocence on horse owner/trainer's part...

                              Hope that helps.

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                              Thoroughbreds! Everything else is just a horse. :-)
                              "The standard you walk by is the standard you accept."--Lt. Gen. David Morrison, Austalian Army Chief

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                              • Yes, it does help (Oh My Star(s) Defense?) LOL

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                                • My apologies for taking the subject off line. My letters have been emailed...you guys are great to put the whole list of email addresses together!

                                  EVERYONE WRITE YOUR LETTERS...EVERY SINGLE ONE WILL COUNT!!!!

                                  [This message was edited by Weatherford on Dec. 29, 2003 at 06:42 PM.]

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                                  • OK - I am deleting references to EACH OTHER - it is INAPPROPRIATE - as you SHOULD know by now...

                                    And I will definitely do eamils on Wed (not tonight, please, it is already WAY past my bedtime, and tomorrow is starting the horses again... )

                                    And I MIGHT even reconsider RENEWING my membership.... That, however, remains a BIG might... :rolleyes"

                                    It's OUT! Linda Allen's 101 Exercises for Jumping co-authored by MOI!!!
                                    co-author of 101 Jumping Exercises & The Rider's Fitness Program; Soon to come: Dead Ringer - a tale of equine mystery and intrique! Former Moderator!

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                                    • Oh, on the subject of adult amateurs, I sat at a Zone 2 "Meeting" a couple of years ago and listened to my REPRESENTATIVES (one of whom I have generally liked and respected) say that there was NO WAY they were going to allow AMATEURS to have any say on how THEY run THEIR business - this went on for about an hour, and by the time it was done, I was absolutely LIVID...

                                      This meeting is what drove me to be so involved in the NGB fight, as AB and company were promising CHANGE and change for the better - they HEARD the amateurs... AND some of those changes HAVE happened, but... well.. I refer you to my posts above...

                                      HOWEVER - WE MUST KEEP FIGHTING - AS OUR HORSES ARE THE PRIORITY - and the more people EDUCATED and involved with our NGB that CARE about the horses, means better care for them!

                                      It's OUT! Linda Allen's 101 Exercises for Jumping co-authored by MOI!!!
                                      co-author of 101 Jumping Exercises & The Rider's Fitness Program; Soon to come: Dead Ringer - a tale of equine mystery and intrique! Former Moderator!

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                                      • Amen! Weatherford and I did get two adult amateurs on the National hunter Committee but I thought another committee was doing the Zones so that is in my revisions for the Zone Committee and it needs everyone's support.

                                        As you know Weatherford they are really weary of the old mountain lady who is the token member to represent the vast number of members.

                                        I am sorely disappointed that the idea of endorsing unrecognized shows suevived while so many of our good concepts were left in the round file.

                                        Battle Scarred Veteran
                                        http://www.usAHSA.org and http://www.noreinstatement.org

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                                        • Original Poster

                                          Just a morning bumpity...

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                                          "The standard you walk by is the standard you accept."--Lt. Gen. David Morrison, Austalian Army Chief

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