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  • #741
    John Holland's update on the accident is terrific. Since he gave permission to post it, let's make sure we share it with all our horse friends across the country. Everyone needs to know the story. As I said in an earlier email, this accident is not the first or the last. It is simply an accident with a name on it - Ramey. The next one could be in your state. We have to stop the hauling of horses in double deckers. Please get the word out to all your friends.
    bryn

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    • #742
      I watch for updates on the horses that were seen with open wounds last week - and hope that the Rameys' have decided to attend to their medical needs, or that authorities will take action. I hope that there aren't any flies in the area.
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      \"The humblest individual exerts some influence, either for good or evil, upon others.\" - Henry Ward Beecher

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      • #743
        An update...it's the start of gun hunting season here in KY, so I personally haven't been to see the horses. It's a little too dangerous for someone not familiar with those woods.

        But, there are two individuals who know the area well and are trying to get closer to the horses, take pictures, etc.. Another person who identifies himself as a "long-term friend of the Rameys" has agreed to talk with Jodey Ramey directly and get information on the horses' medical conditions. The main thing this friend is trying to find out is the name of any local vet who has seen these horses, if any. That way, donations or inquiries could be addressed to the vet and the Rameys could be left out of it entirely, which seems to be their wish.

        If I hear any more, I'll be sure to post.

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        • #744
          Any updates on pictures of the horses, etc.?

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          • #745
            No updates on the accident horses, but yesterday morning Ramey’s other “pot” was parked behind one of their many, many Flemingsburg addresses. The rig’s engine was idling and it was ready to roll.

            Sorry, folks, there was nothing to be done to stop it. Ramey Trucking, LLC is still in business, dirty and sordid as it may be.

            Somewhere, more horses were going to suffer that day.

            Joan S.
            Thoroughbreds in Motion
            Those Old Grand Prix Photos, Vol. II

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            • #746
              I am sad for the next group of horses to be hauled that way.

              The election is not far away. I hope others are researching the transport laws (if any) in their states. Mine is woefully without any protection for horses.

              I have also been researching insurance. The horse haulers'insurance companies I have talked to so far have all said they would not insure double deckers for the professional hauling of horses.

              So, I guess, call em livestock and you can haul em. Call them horses and you'd better not be using a double decker. Sad catch 22.
              bryn

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              • #747
                I would assume if they would not insure them that the Ramey's suffered quite a financial loss with the deaths of those horses? Why would anyone take such a risk??????

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                • #748
                  I just recently found out to my absolute horror that Utah considers horses 'livestock' also as far as cruelty laws go. They have absolutely zero protection here. The can actually be 'kept' without food, water, shelter or basic vet care and there is nothing that can be legally done to the 'owners. The inclusion of horses as livestock was slipped into the anti cruelty laws at the last minute by one of our wonderful, oh so pious church-going legislators.
                  "The way to gain a good reputation is to endeavor to be what you desire to appear" ~ Socrates

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                  • #749
                    OH man, I'm so ticked off I can barely stand it!!!!

                    Then there are the people that keep saying we should lay off those Ramey's, RIGHT!!!

                    The article of the reporter is backed by FACTS!!!

                    Those nice fellows Ramey's send the other truck to go on instead to come help with the suffering horses? Then the drivers sat on their lazy dumb behinds and watched OTHER people try to safe and comfort some horses and put others out of their misery?
                    Then they have the nerve to "sell" a horse to the people who's property they just damaged, and have not yet paid or apologized for that?

                    Excuse me, but those people sound like a certain kind of people that I know from around those kinds of woods.

                    So now there is a possiblity that those horses are still stuffering, with open wounds, because we were told to "lay off"????

                    I say lets RESTART and lets RUMBLE. Those people are FILTH. They have NO BUSINESS dealing with any live animals, the way they behaved throughout this whole catastrophy. SHAME ON THEM.

                    Maybe one day they'll lay around in pain helpless while people will sit down nearby and watch.

                    It makes me want to vomit.

                    Why , WHY????? are no officials CHECKING INTO THIS?????

                    Why can this go on? WHERE are those horses, why can no official ask to see them, on account of eyewitnesses having seen shredded up horses on those peoples property?

                    How can this happen nowadays????

                    Yes, I'm angry. I'm very angry, and I have had about enough of this. If I was close enough, you bet I would "harass" those people into having something done to finally help those innocent animals.

                    I'm just to mad to even continue...and you people who take the Rameys side, go suck on a rotten egg.

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                    • #750
                      I guess I did not explain myself well in my last post.

                      Horses are included in the Federal definition of livestock, and thus are part of the insurance boiler plate for a livestock hauling policy. They are no different in class than a cow, sheep or pig. That's what the Ramey family business is - Livestock hauling. They own a trucking company that whose cargo is livestock.

                      HOWEVER, the industry standard among horse people, like the people you would hire to transport your horse across country, does not approve of using a double decker for horses. So, insurance policies for professional horse transport people would not include double deckers as a means of transport. . . atleast the ones I have talked to so far have taken that position.

                      If your state has no specific language in its state animal cruelty law which addresses the transport of horses, then horses are livestock and have no protection beyond what is given a cow, pig or sheep. . . even though we all know horses' builds, instincts, balance, sustenance, and temperament are very different than cows, pigs, or sheep.

                      In Pennsylvania and a handful of other states, there are specific laws addressing the transport of horses. Every state needs a law like Pennsylvania's.
                      bryn

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                      • #751
                        Could that be because of the presence of wild horses in UTAH and the competition they pose to cattle???? Does not make it right, but just trying to figure it out.

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                        • #752
                          I am so confused....I need to look at my office e-mail. I emailed Dr Stout KY State Vet the day AFTER the accident and I seem to remember him saying they were not aware of the accident. I sent him the link and then he said they knew the Ramey's they were dealers and that they would send someone out to check on the injured...

                          Well I think I just read that the Assist KY Vet said they checked the horses at the state line????? If they didn't know about it until they got me e-mail wouldn't the horses have already gotten to the Ramey'S?

                          Maybe I remember it wrong.....
                          PROUD MEMBER OF THE \"OMGiH I LOFF MY MARE\" CLIQUE

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                          • #753
                            Castlegate,

                            You're NOT wrong. You have, however, hit upon one of the several inconsistencies that exist in this sad situation.
                            Joan S.
                            Thoroughbreds in Motion
                            Those Old Grand Prix Photos, Vol. II

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                            • #754
                              Castlegate, would you contact the Kentucky State Vet again and ask for an explanation of the paperwork (where was it checked and what did they have)and ask the name of the vet who checked on the horses?
                              bryn

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                              • #755
                                Any news?

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                                • #756
                                  yes, but not post-able. Sorry.

                                  It is very important each one of us votes on November 2nd. Know the records of each person you are voting for when it comes to animal welfare issues/animal cruelty issues. It is easy to check at your state website and at the congressional website.

                                  Perfectionist, if you live in Congressman Ed Whitfield district you are one lucky horse person. You don't have to check him. But check your state rep and state senator.
                                  bryn

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                                  • #757
                                    Thanks, I sure will.

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                                    • #758
                                      An update on a few of the horses, at least. The trainer I know has gone back up on the trails and has seen five of the horses. The others might have been in the same enormous field as well, but they were out of his line of sight. He called to the horses and all five came running up to the fence to see him. He said that while the wounds still weren't being treated the way HE would treat them (bandages, etc.), they appear to be healing. No signs of infection or anything. He didn't take pictures of them, since these particular horses seemed to be doing well, with the exception of the now-healing wounds.

                                      He's going to keep going up there to look for the other horses.

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                                      • #759
                                        I am coming to this late...what a sad, horrible situation. Are there any television stations in that area that have reporters specializing in investigation? They might be able to shed light on the horses if they really are being left to suffer, and to bring to the public the danger of double decker trailering. Especially if they realize that an overloaded trailer endangers not only the poor animals but other people on the road. Thanks for posting all the information. It is just so stomach-wrenchingly awful that those people would do that to those horses.

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                                        • #760
                                          With no pictures, how in the world do you or this trainer know they are the right horses? What did they look like? Markings? With no pictures, no proof. Sorry not good enough.
                                          bryn

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