24+ horses killed in Indiana truck wreck

[onthebit12000]

Evidently the thread "disappeared" to remove one of my posts. Sorry for the inconvenience.

[perfectionist]

There are several sales listed in Kentucky that state they accept horses; however, there are planned, organized HORSE, MULE, PONY sales at Greenville KY, Hopkinsville KY, at one time Mayfield KY and others in areas that I am not familiar with. These sales I am familiar with are on Friday and Saturday nights. They ususally have a tack sale prior to the livestock auction. There are "killer" buyers there. The regular "livestock" auctions I have attended usually do not have any horses. You may want to call the livestock yard before you make any plans to attend. There are also some sales in Paris Tennessee, but that is a considerable distance from Flemingsburg.

[WPH Cowgirl]

http://www.sharkonline.org/horseslaughter.mv
Does anyone else have problems viewing the videos on this website? I can hear sounds...but no picture. Not sure that I really want to see them, but since I've tried and wasnt able to, its going to bug me now.

[equinelaundry]

Me thinks this topic got so many hits it freaked out the server - don't think it was intentional .

Onthebit1200 - some time we need to talk privately. I've got some things I need help with in Michigan!

[A Splash of Color]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by srp:
this was one of two trailers full of horses and confirm they are still investigating....
Here's the link for the article:
http://www.wishtv.com/Global/story.a...9&nav=0Ra7R2Pv

So there were 2 trucks?? Does that mean that another truck of "riding horses" has arrived in KY?? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Stegall asked the same question in another thread. Here's my reply:

I noticed that also and wondered if some of the survivors were stuffed onto it for the rest of their journey.

This quote, too, from The Blood Horsehas been bothering me since I read it:


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Those that had minor injuries, such as lacerations and colic, were loaded back on another trailer after treatment.... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Colic and the lacerations shown in WCPO.com's photographs are now minor injuries???

By the way, I wonder who handled the clean-up operations, both animal and mechanical?

Along those lines, I also wonder if the trailer and cab are being held as part of the accident investigation or is the rig home in Flemingsburg receiving better care than the injured horses?

[DillansMom]

Are you all wanting to attend these sales looking for these horses specifically, or to rescue horses generally? Because there are ALWAYS horses to be rescued at these sales, and I'm sure their arrivals are never quite the pleasant trips we give our own horses.

Don't get me wrong - this recent accident was horrible - but all this talk of sales has me realizing how many horses we lose every week to killers and I know that if I attend a sale looking for these victims I won't be able to walk away from some other horse just because I don't happen to know the unfortunate circumstances that led him there.

When these horses are found it really isn't over.

[Piaffe~Passage]

I didn't realize they were coming from Minnesota. Where in Minnesota anyone know? I live in Minnesota. As I just ran across this post and don't have time to read all the posts, what is happening to the horses that survived where are they now?

[BasqueMom]

Hi,

There was something in one of the links that the horses who died were removed in dump trucks.
Don't know if that helps any.

It sure is odd that with all the talent on this board the survivors haven't been found.

Something does smell!

[equinelaundry]

DillansMom,
Anytime you want to rescue any horse from auction you let me know and I'll come down and rescue one too.


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DillansMom:
When these horses are found it really isn't over. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I sure hope not but things have faded into the woodwork before .

We could have things changing in a major way if we all walked the walk we are talking about.

It shouldn't have to be at the taxpayer's expense......those laws and fines need to be followed and collected to the fullest extent - no exceptions, no slap on the wrist, for animal cruelty and neglect. Having animals is a conscience decisionthat comes with responsibility and it costs $$.

We won't get much done this election year but I don't have a problem spending time on my legislator's front doors. I hope I'm not alone.

[needabreak]

"Dressage" asked:

Sep. 20, 2004 08:25 PM Sep. 20, 2004 08:25 PM
I didn't realize they were coming from Minnesota. Where in Minnesota anyone know? I live in Minnesota. As I just ran across this post and don't have time to read all the posts, what is happening to the horses that survived where are they now?
========above is the quote from Dressage ====

Without going back to get the exact page numbers of this thread, there was a post early on in the pages where someone mentioned they thought they recognized a horse from a Boys Camp. Later on, about half-way through these pages, someone found a classified ad for a horse sale on September 13th, in that ad were mentioned horses from a Boy Scout camp as well as some registered young mares.

For your last question - that is a question on some people's minds. And one focus of this thread.

If a loose-knit but passionate internet-joined group of people who have compassion for these particular horses can penetrate the closed and tight-knit community of people who make a living by buying, transporting, and selling horses every day is another question.


For those who follow this thread and wonder what they can do, and then, feeling helpless, move on to something else . . . take the time to send just one email or letter to someone who is in a position to do something about this. Someone in law enforcement, agricultural enforcement, law making, the media, or some position of power.

Ask a question, or make a statement . . .

Or, just lurk.

I admire you who have taken action.

I hope someone will find the horses - if they weren't slaughtered - but I think the people who do these horse buys and sales keep their business to themselves - outsiders are included only to get their money. I'd be surprised with success in finding them alive - or the truth.

Hopefully, something good will come of this.

[Chestnut Mare]

This is just a gentle reminder...

A post was deleted because it contained some unsubstantiated allegations about the horses in question. That is strictly against the BB rules (and common sense)!

You can discuss those things we know to be fact and you can discuss the general issue (without accusing any one specific person). But you cannot accuse anyone of anything without verifiable proof (as in a police report, court judgement, referencing a specific printed source such as a newspaper article and so on.)

If it doesn't stay that way, the thread will be closed.

[horse_poor]

Dressage-they came from the Cannon Falls auction from what I can tell--I'm in MN as well.

[Just2StayOn]

There's so much already written that I haven't caught up...but here are some news articles from it. I don't know what's been listed and what hasn't.

http://www.wcpo.com/news/2004/local/...rses_late.html

http://www.wcpo.com/news/2004/local/...rses_noon.html

http://www.theindychannel.com/news/3736063/detail.html

http://www.thelouisvillechannel.com/...86/detail.html

I think it's great what everyone is doing to help. It's a hard thing to even think about having to deal with.

[horse_poor]

I forgot to add that kstp tv emailed me back and said they were sending it on to the person deciding what stories to invesitigate-thats all i have heard back from the myriad of emails i sent out

[Boston Chicken]

Saw something interesting on TV this morning and wanted to share it. My Tivo happened to tape a "That's My Baby" on Animal Planet. It was the one with the wild mustang rescue and the mare, Bethlehem, pregnant about 10 1/2 months.

They were doing background on the rescue organization and guess what they filmed? Yep that's right - a double decker trailer (I think) loaded with horses being unloaded at the rescue ranch. The horses were streaming out of that thing 2 deep - some getting caught on the sides as they pushed through the doors to get out

But, the point is, this was a rescue operation that used what seems to be the same method of transportation as the Rameys. Of course, it did NOT look like there were 60 horses crammed into this one.

Just an interesting observation...

[Sandy M]

Boston - That's upsetting, but, perhaps (?)... I dunno the exact measurements of double-deckers, but perhaps, since most mustangs tend to be smaller (with the exception of some drafty ones) it would be acceptable with 'ponysized' horses? Or were these not JUST mustangs but standard size "rescue horses" too. If so, that is distressing....

[lexie51]

[Sorry - pure, unsubstantiated rumor - deleted]

[SeaOat]

I believe, as someone posted earlier, that there was a research study on transportation that concluded "freestyle" loading (where horses chose their favorite stance & direction) in trailers, even double deckers, was preferable to the horses than typical front load.
There is less unsteadiness when slightly packed, as they use each other to keep balance.
BUT there must be catagorizing for size, sex, ability, etc., hence regulations that are *supposed* to be followed.
This study was summed in JAVMA a few years back.

[DillansMom]

equinelaundry...hi!

I do want to do something...First of all I need to figure out how to check my PTs!! I am SO NEW at this.

I would love to start rescuing horses. I already have a houseful of dogs. I just need to figure out how to make all of this work.

[BLBGP]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by lexie51:
deleted by moderator <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Did they say where they got their information or was it just speculation? If it's true, I'd love to hear the response from the Ramsey's friend who said they were compassionate horse owners and all of us out here were uncaring freaks (paraphrasing!).