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  • Boston Chicken - a few ideas...

    1. Double deckers are being ruled out as humane transportation for horses bound for slaughter, yet it looks like we have a possibility of trucking company with TWO accidents in recent history. - First of all, are these rigs road safe in general? Is there enough regulation around them? What do we say when its illegal to put a horse in these on the way to slaughter (when the law is fully enacted) but it's not illegal to ship them other places in the same vehicle? How does this stop anyone from using a double decker? All they have to do is get routine transport papers and say they are "taking them to be riding or trail horses."

    2. OK, so some cattle and horses have died a horrific and painful death (assuming one doesn't find that bothersome enough). Has anyone considered how fortunate that people driving by in their cars haven't been injured or killed as well?

    3. Where are the horses? Have they received appropriate medical care? (I'd love to hear from the vet treating them, but cynically, I'm pretty sure there is no vet involved...)
    Your crazy is showing. You might want to tuck that back in.

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    • And for more info on your state's animal cruelty laws check out:
      www.animallaw.com & www.aldf.org
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      • It is common to eat horses here, and many people locally send their old or otherwise unwanted horses to the butchers (how on earth they can do it, I have no idea), but interestingly, the "meat" price here is 1500-2000 chf (about 1200-1800 dollars). I find it interesting that meat horses sell for around 200-400? dollars per head in the US...but the meat from the US sells for the same amount here as the swiss meat does. Someone along the way is making a nice profit!

        As far as the slaughter issue in general goes, I think once the horse is dead, really, it is irrelevant that someone eats the meat (gross, but irrelevant to the horse, he is dead, after all)

        However, I think that putting terrified horses on double decker cow trucks for long trips is horrible. Not to mention the awful conditions once they are at the slaughterhouse. To kill them is bad enough, but to torture them? How is it even a question that this should be illegal??

        To know that my horse suffered would cause me much more distress than the fact that he was eaten. (That being said, however, I have signed a statement on my horses passport that prohibits him from EVER being sold for meat, even though my insurance company will actually DEDUCT the meat price from my payout settlement if he becomes unrideable, unless I turn him over to them for the butcher! That's how common it is here!)

        OK, I have digressed a bit from the point of this topic....so...commenting on this awful situation, first, I am so sorry for these horses!

        Second, if this "dealer" really is reselling all these horses, including stallions and foals, for "riding" mounts, which even from this side of the Atlantic sounds REALLY fishy, what the hell are they doing putting them in such unsafe conditions, that would most certainly jeopordize their resale value? This might be a dealer, but I would be willing to bet that they deal in meat, directly or indirectly, even if they do sell a few riding horses along the way. I'll bet the meat market is more lucrative than "retraining and reselling" riding horses.

        I am impressed with all of your collective detective skills!!I hope you guys nail them to the wall!! Good luck!!

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        • I just keep wondering what the value was that they gave to the insurance company ... it keeps bothering me, ya know?

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          • It looks to me like we have a ready made "hook" for a TERRIFIC human interest story with the foal. Can we track him? Maybe chronicle his whole young life. Now THAT's a story that you'll see on a morning "news" show.

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            • I just want to say that I have been working with the horse slaughter issue and have been following forums left and right. I want to say BRAVO to all of you who have made a difference to these horses and for shedding the light on the horse slaughter industry. I am in agreement that this Jody is not telling the whole truth.

              Numero Uno: Double Deckers are an extremely inhumane way to transport horses, especially those that you plan on getting use out of in the near future whether it was trail riding or whatever she claims they were being shipped for. Horses in double deckers are not allowed to hold their heads at a natural position, but rather they must "duck" if you will for the duration of their trip due to the fact that double deckers are a form of cattle transportation, and by cattle, I mean the animals that go "moo". Cramming tons of horses into such trailers indiscriminately (Mares, stallions, foals together in one cramped area)is a trademark of horse slaughter-linked outfits whether they were going directly to slaughter or auction, feedlot, etc which would eventually lead to slaughter.

              NO ONE who cared for their horses would spare the shipping expenses by use of a double-decker for many reasons. If you want to take the emotional aspect out of the arguement, let's just say that you were hauling 60 of your own horses on a long trip....how were you planning on walking, watering, feeding them all during the trip? In an accident like this, could you afford veterinary care to all 60 horses? I would assume if you are looking for cheap transportation like a double-decker that you probably couldn't. Now it is unlikely that in any load of horses on a double-decker that there will be zero injuries at the end of the trip. Check out www.justsaywhoa.org for photos of what these horses look like when exiting the trailers. So we can conclude that if this woman in fact didn't have slaughter-intentions for her horses, that she obviously did not care for them properly or that humane treatment of her own animals was not a priority or even a concern.

              Number 2: Let's say that she was shipping them to slaughter or a feedlot or auction. Where is the nearest slaughtering facility to that area? Could it be my state's very own Cavel? If she wasn't shipping them for slaughtering purposes which she claims, then what was she doing with a crowded double-decker trailer full of horses, having the driver taking backroads, in a close proximity to one of the three only slaughtering facilities in our country? If this lady did not intend to make money off of sending these horses to slaughter, she still deserves, in my opinion, to be investigated to the fullest because she has incriminated herself in a sense by mistreating her horses in such a horrible way, showing no concern for their welfare, and by taking the trademark steps of a slaughter house cronie. Whether or not this tarnishes her image and puts her as a victim of "unfair speculations" is a mute point. She already damaged her reputation by mistreating her horses in such a way as to raise eyebrows, tempers, and suspicion to say the least.

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              • I have to wonder if many of the horses in that trailer were camp horses sent to auction after the conclusion of their summer duties. The whole situation is pitiful. I can't even imagine what I would do if I ever came across a scene like that.
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                • Perhaps another angle that might appeal to the Today show:
                  In addition to TB's that may have been famous racers, who are the horses being crammed onto inhumanely overcrowded trucks bound for slaughter? Especially at this time of year, many are camp and riding academy horses. Yep, the horsies they tentatively petted, who carted little Susie around as she learned to post, who had those big brown eyes and lovely eyelashes, go through the auctions by the score. As the camps unload horses at the end of the season, too many of these animals end up in these horrid conditions because they are "too expensive to keep over the winter". (Yes, I know some responsible camps keep or lease out horses) Others may have been somebody's valued companion, sold to a "good home" only to end up slaughter-bound when they are injured, infirm or just unwanted.
                  I think the angle here is that these horses are the ones the viewer is most likely to see - at camp, pony rides, in nearby fields. Most of these could be valued, even loved horses for someone - not all irretrievably injured, ill or old. And even those that are not "useful" should not be treated inhumanely in their last days on earth.

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                  • How packed is packed?

                    I looked at a report by CSU, Temple Grandin, et al, talking about transportation injuries (at the justsaywhoa website), and a notable statistic was that part of their study sample was 427 horses on double deckers. These horses came from 15 loads. That's about 28 horses per load.

                    Uh huh. Apparently horses unloaded AT a slaughterhouse were packed in 50% of what these "pleasure" horses were. Yea. Right. Of course it must have been 15 "light" loads at the slaughterhouse, not that these horses were inhumanely and even unsafely packed in that rig.
                    Your crazy is showing. You might want to tuck that back in.

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                    • dare i even ask where from in MN they were coming from? (am soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ashamed to be from MN at this point in time because of this)

                      bless their hearts---
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                      • just finished reading more of the article and saw "The owner of the horses is identified as Jodi Ramey of Flemingsburg, Kentucky. She had purchased the horses in Minnesota and was transporting them to her farm in Kentucky to be resold as riding horses."

                        anyone know her and why do i doubt this is true?
                        Co-founder of White Trash Dressage (WTD)
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                        also available on Amazon.com
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                        • "The USDA Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service recognizes that transporting horses in double-deck trailers is both inhumane and unsafe. [5] However, the regulation in Section 88.3 allows horses to continue to be transported to slaughter in double-deck trailers until 2006. Many horses will continue to suffer serious injuries and trauma during this “grace” period."

                          (from the horse-protection.org website; warning, sad, sad, sad. )

                          RIGGGHHHTTTTT.... being resold for riding...more likely being resold for the freezer.

                          And, it was just a stroke of luck that no innocent motorist was killed when that truck flipped. The next time...will they be so lucky, and "only" end up with dead horses?

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                          • OMG, that website is heartbreaking...especially the horrible description of injured horses being pulled out of trucks by chains all the way to the knockbox.... It just makes me ill. God I hate the horse slaughter industry!

                            Count me in for $50 too. I feel bad that I have so little time to offer to help. At least I can help with some funds.

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                            • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I bought my horse off one of the double deckers at a local auction. I saw him on the truck, haggled with the driver, and got the best guy a paint crazy girl could hope for. Unfortunately, the truck was full as it pulled out for Texas later that night. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                              Holy Moly, what a cutie - just goes to show that some quality animals go through that system - thanks for caring enough to buy him. Who knows how many of those 50 horses would have/will made lovely companions and riding horses
                              The witchy witch witch of south central NC.

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                              • I don't know if anyone else has written, but I just sent the following e-mail to Mr O Reilly at Fox News per the link that Mpeylyn posted a few pages back (on page 6):

                                Good afternoon Mr. O Reilly,

                                It was suggested on The Chronicle of the Horse Forums that someone contact you regarding the double decker tractor trailer wreck that killed at least 25 horses in Indiana earlier this week. I do not know if any of the members have actually contacted you, but I felt that it might be informative for you to have the link to the specific forum discussing this issue, and the outrage the incident has generated among the horse community. Lest you think that like many forums, this one is peopled with children and/or wannabes, the people on this forum are, for the most part, adult, responsible owners, breeders, exhibitors and trainers of horses for a variety of equine disciplines. In our on-line community we have, among other professions, doctors, lawyers, nurses, veterinarians, and engineers.

                                The very fact that 60 or more horses, including at least one foal, could be crowded onto a truck barely suitable for cattle (who are much shorter and much more sturdy than horses) is both obscene and clear and unquestionable cruelty to animals. Add to that the fact that at this point at least, it would appear that there will be little or no follow-up as to where they came from, where they were going, whether or not they had the correct health certificates, and zero punishment for either the 'owner' of the horses for unwarranted cruelty or the driver for the accident. In addition, the surviving horses were immediately loaded back on to trucks and sent on their way with no consideration for either their health, injuries or the fact that they had just barely survived a horrific accident.

                                This is something which I, and many others, feel deserves the harsh light of publicity. Perhaps, if such incidents were publicized in their grotesque entirety, it would serve to reduce the number of such incidents, or at least make someone think before they produce and then in effect throw away a horse simply because they can.

                                Thank you for your time and attention.

                                Dana Benson
                                206 E XXXXX Avenue
                                Salt Lake City, Utah 84111
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                                I don't know if it will do any good - but I'm way to broke this month to contribute $$'s, so I'm trying to help the only way I can - with my keyboard!
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                                • Welcome to the new members [im still pretty new here myself ]Any news on a paypal account ?If we could activate one and there is a chance that they did go t o that auction house maybe just maybe we can save a few.Am I correct in thinking that the Rameys could be directly contacted w/ a purchase inquirey??Obviously they wanted to turn a fast buck, well here is their chance to "resale" as a riding horse[ to be read as ..........do the right thing]
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                                  • I am going to Flemingsburg in the morning to find what I can find. I'll check in with Kentucky Auctions as well.

                                    I'll let everyone know what I find...

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                                    • am i the only MN person on the thread as of yet? do you want me to start whispering to the press here about this to see where in fact these horses came from?

                                      let me know and i will--wasnt sure if someone else was as i do not want to piss of those who can get us info by pestering them......
                                      Co-founder of White Trash Dressage (WTD)
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                                      also available on Amazon.com
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                                      • DreamInColor - Seeing the photo of Josh brought me to tears. You truly are his guardian angle, and he is a very lucky (and VERY beautiful) horse.
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                                        • This thread is getting so long some points are falling to the wayside for newer posters, ok this is what has been found out:

                                          . horses supposedly for pleasure riding are bought by a single woman, whose last name just happens to be the same as a slaughter house in the same town….coincidence? hmm are sent in a packing truck through Indiana on the way to Kentucky, through states that ban the use of transporting horses in this type of trailer OTHER THAN RIDING HORSES, well ok so the driver lied, he had to, if had said oh these horses are for slaughter, he could have been arrested or at least charged for illegal activity in another state. Its not illegal in Indiana, but they weren’t just dropped there, they traveled from Minnesota through other states to get to Indiana. The woman when asked for comment, didn’t sound like she cared about the horses, that says something, the ranch were they were supposed to have gone, all the people there, no comment, had this been a legal, upright and caring ranch, don’t you think they would have at least waited to load up the horses again (the ones left alive that is) until they were fit for travel? No because they were headed to slaughter and the sad thing is, these horses have now become evidence, and they driver knew that, if you think any one of those remaining horses, including the foal is still alive, I hate to say but I really doubt, they were “disposed of” no horses no evidence….this is just so sad. This has to make the light of day and justice has to be done, they the parties responsible, should be held responsible, and this has to be heard by mainstream news

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