• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.

Announcement

Collapse

Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 1/26/16)
See more
See less

39 DEAD Horses - WV - Tragic Situation Just Got Worse!!

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • 39 DEAD Horses - WV - Tragic Situation Just Got Worse!!

    So the dead count is now up to 39 horses. Now the state vet won't let police or local vets on the property to even make sure the horses are cared for. How many will die in these next few days waiting on someone to rescue them? WTF???


    http://www.register-herald.com/local...rse-abuse-case
    #JusticeForSunshine

  • #2
    Can hay be dropped from the air?
    www.ctannerjensen.com
    http://ctannerjensen.blogspot.com/
    Equine Art capturing the essence of the grace,strength, and beauty of the Sport Horse."

    Comment


    • #3
      After I read that story, I wanted to know who the hell the state vet is, and who his or her boss is, and what folks in WVA can do to make his life not worth living. Get busy, WVA horse lovers. Make the governor wish he had never heard of this guy. According to the article, the state vet is who stands in the way of a meaningful accounting of what this idiot has let happen to his animals on his property. Sure, the law is very limited in this state, but let's encourage the state to take an interest in addressing this.
      I tolerate all kinds of animal idiosyncrasies.
      I've found that I don't tolerate people idiosyncrasies as well. - Casey09

      Comment


      • #4
        But wait there's more

        The state agricultural commissioner so does not want this hot potato. This press release: http://www.wvagriculture.org/news_re...1/2-14-11.html

        says:

        Contact: Buddy Davidson, Communications Officer, 304-558-3708; 304-541-5932 (cell) bdavidson@ag.state.wv.us

        News Release
        2-14-11

        LOCAL AUTHORITIES RESPONSIBLE FOR
        ANIMAL NEGLECT CASES UNDER STATE LAW
        Local sheriffs or their designees have sole authority for animal cases under state law, and Commissioner of Agriculture Gus R. Douglass is unhappy that a weekend media report citing Greenbrier County Sheriff Jim Childers suggests otherwise.

        “The Sunday edition of the Register-Herald newspaper indicated that the state veterinarian would not allow law enforcement on the property to care for the animals, which is 100 percent false,” said Commissioner Douglass. “As a result, we have been deluged with angry calls and e-mails questioning the West Virginia Department of Agriculture’s (WVDA) commitment to animal welfare. If anyone would care to check, the West Virginia State Code (WVC) which is available in its entirety online allows the commissioner of agriculture to quarantine a property only in cases of communicable animal disease.”

        Since the carcasses of the animals had been removed over the weekend, the threat of disease was no longer present and the WVDA’s authority was no longer valid, he added.

        WVC Chapter 19, Article 9, Section 1 outlines the commissioner of agriculture’s authority to enter private property and clearly states that authority may only be exercised in cases of communicable animal disease.
        It says: “It shall be the duty of the commissioner, and he shall have authority:
        • (a) To prevent, suppress, control and eradicate any communicable diseases of animals or poultry
        • (f) To cause general or special quarantine of premises and of animals and poultry to be established and maintained;
        • (g) To cause the disinfection of any premises;
        • (h) To cause the destruction of diseased animals, when such animals are deemed diseased as a result of physical examination or an approved test, and of infected personal property, and to regulate and prohibit the moving or transportation of such animals or property from one place to another in this state.”
        Furthermore, WVC Chapter 7, Article 10, Sections 1-2 clearly gives county sheriffs the full responsibility and authority to conduct investigations and prosecute individuals for cruel treatment of animals.

        It says: “The sheriff of each county of this state shall annually designate … one of his or her deputies to act as humane officer of the county … any person designated to act as a humane officer and all peace officers designated by law as a humane officer or an additional humane officer shall investigate all complaints made to him or her of cruel or inhumane treatment of animals within the county and he or she shall personally see that the law relating to the prevention of cruelty to animals is enforced…. It is the duty of humane officers to prevent the perpetration or continuance of any act of cruelty upon any animal and to investigate and, upon probable cause, to cause the arrest and assist in the prosecution of any person engaging in such cruel and forbidden practices. Upon reasonable cause, and as provided by law, such officers have the right to access and inspection of records and property as may be reasonably necessary to any investigation.”

        “It would have been a simple matter for the Register-Herald to verify the alleged statement by Sheriff Childers, rather than accept a second-hand account of a supposed order by a WVDA official. A different reporter had spoken with the Department’s communications officer the previous day and had his contact information. A simple call to his cell phone would have cleared up the matter,” said Commissioner Douglass.

        “I fully understand people’s emotional reaction to this case and I remain committed to the humane treatment of farm animals, but the Department must honor the limited legal authority invested in it by the Legislature. To do otherwise would be a disservice to every citizen of our state, and I can only hope that people would have an appreciation for that fundamental tenet of our legal system.”
        I tolerate all kinds of animal idiosyncrasies.
        I've found that I don't tolerate people idiosyncrasies as well. - Casey09

        Comment


        • #5
          If this press release is true, time to go back and bother the county sheriff. which is a problem, because according to the news article, the farm(s) containing the horses cross more than one county line, and there is apparently some jurisdictional question.

          I guess we just have to start posting the home phone numbers of all the relevant county sheriffs and give them an incentive to take an interest in straightening this out.
          I tolerate all kinds of animal idiosyncrasies.
          I've found that I don't tolerate people idiosyncrasies as well. - Casey09

          Comment


          • #6
            What the hell. I made a few phone calls on this and nobody wants to touch this. I can not understand how the State Police can't get onto the property. This place is about 4 hours from me or I would try to take a look. I am going to make some more calls tomorrow. These animals are malnourished, so what is the question. I am probably going to make a pest of myself and annoy them, but I really don't care. This is terrible.
            www.Somermistfarm.com
            Quality Hunter Ponies

            Comment


            • #7
              This is beyond outragious! This is the United States, 2011 for God's sake. Please someone post info on what we can do and who we can call and email. I just called the county agricultural office and left a message...it is after hours. Does anyone know more about this situation? How many horses are still there and what is there condition? If there is abuse ansd "torture" going on, why in the world can't the police get in there?

              Comment


              • #8
                I don't know. I called the Sherriff Department and the State Vet's Office today. I got a lot of passing the buck. I am going to keep calling tomorrow. If I get anywhere or find out who to call, I will post it. That way perhaps COTHers can make some calls. This is just awful.

                I will post after I call again tomorrow.
                www.Somermistfarm.com
                Quality Hunter Ponies

                Comment


                • #9
                  Can someone reach this mans family ? Why would he want his horses to starve when there is help available.
                  www.windhorsefrm.org and on Facebook too!
                  Where mares rule and Basset Hounds drool!

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Wait they have the bodies right? Why not test some of the bodies for diseases and technically lice is a transmittable though preventable parasite that requires quarantine. So test the bodies with the shortest time possible and give the report to the state vet saying the bodies have x or y disease and get on the property and get the rest of the horses. I could understand if they didn't have the bodies but they do! They have all the evidence they need just a bit of due process and hand holding.
                    Adoring fan of A Fine Romance
                    Originally Posted by alicen:
                    What serious breeder would think that a horse at that performance level is push button? Even so, that's still a lot of buttons to push.

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Oh for heavens sake! The man is 83 and possibly/probably cannot continue to take care of animals esp when the weather is like it has been this winter. If he has any local family they should be held just as responsible.

                      In the meantime WTF is wrong with putting together a joint county task force or something?...betting they can manage to do that for drug busts that cross county lines!! Insanity!!

                      Post numbers for county officers somewhere and I'll be happy to call...unlimited long distance is a handy thing.
                      Colored Cowhorse Ranch
                      www.coloredcowhorseranch.com
                      Northern NV

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        I am outraged! This man has quite a reputation from what I have been reading.

                        There is a Facebook page set up for these horses. Hopefully they will continue to update the information.

                        http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/...29986610405059

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          An earlier thread about this:
                          http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/sh...d.php?t=292491
                          Equus Keepus Brokus

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            HOW about united states humane society -for wva horses -all horses in this way -and recently florida horses ...

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              Originally posted by HOOF123 View Post
                              HOW about united states humane society -for wva horses -all horses in this way -and recently florida horses ...
                              I crossposted the FB page on Scotlund Haisley page. I keep getting updates on all their marvelous work so I asked where they are NOW?

                              Comment


                              • #16
                                Originally posted by Lori B View Post
                                After I read that story, I wanted to know who the hell the state vet is, and who his or her boss is, and what folks in WVA can do to make his life not worth living. Get busy, WVA horse lovers. Make the governor wish he had never heard of this guy. According to the article, the state vet is who stands in the way of a meaningful accounting of what this idiot has let happen to his animals on his property. Sure, the law is very limited in this state, but let's encourage the state to take an interest in addressing this.
                                Yeah this!

                                That guy HAS to be buddies with the animal killer otherwise WTF does he think will happen to more horses without food?


                                Boy that was some quick back pedaling!! (press release)
                                Every mighty oak was once a nut that stood its ground.

                                Proud Closet Canterer! Member Riders with Fibromyalgia clique.

                                Comment

                                • Original Poster

                                  #17
                                  It DOES NOT sound like this is a case of an old man falling on hard times. This guy has a history of abused animals on his farm. But, as everyone stands around pointing fingers, more horses are going to die. This is wrong on so many levels!!
                                  #JusticeForSunshine

                                  Comment


                                  • #18
                                    This man is not a down-on-his-luck senile guy suddenly forgetting to put out or not being able to afford the hay. He's been abusing horses for decades with animal control doing nothing. This year he's outdone himself and hopefully will finally be held accountable for some of the pain he's caused.

                                    Take a look on the facebook page at the pic someone posted of a mare she tried to buy for $500 two years ago just to get her away from Grady. He wouldn't sell this "valuable" horse and it died. This is nothing new.

                                    http://www.facebook.com/pages/Save-t...405059&theater

                                    But to be fair, I have not heard that this guy sends horses to the killer. He doesn't need to, he apparently IS the killer. But personally I'd rather go to slaughter, at least it is faster than the slow death of starvation.

                                    Comment


                                    • #19
                                      If the press release from the department of agriculture is to be believed, then the matter is still one for local law enforcement, that is to say county sheriffs. The news article said that another difficulty is that this jerk has more than one farm, and that his properties cross county lines, which muddies the question of which county sheriff has jurisdiction. So I say we need to call each county sheriff in the area individually and ask them what they are doing about it.
                                      I tolerate all kinds of animal idiosyncrasies.
                                      I've found that I don't tolerate people idiosyncrasies as well. - Casey09

                                      Comment


                                      • #20
                                        Greenbrier County Sheriff's Office: 304.647.6634

                                        Raleigh County Sheriff's Office: 304 255 9300

                                        Mercer County Sheriff's Office: (304) 487-8362

                                        Fayette County Sheriff's Office: 304-574-4216

                                        Not guaranteeing these numbers but these counties are right. There may be more but he has farms in all of these.
                                        -----------------------------------------------
                                        Editing to copy Lori B's excellent advice from the next post right here so you'll have it if you want to call:

                                        "Remember, if you are going to call, don't be crazy and angry, be ratonal, firm, and fact-based. Ask what they are going to do and when they are going to do it and how you can verify that what they say is going to happen.

                                        Ask for names when you speak to someone. First and last. Write them down.

                                        The man who owns and torments and starves these horses is Grady Whitlock, and he has a long history, apparently, of treating his animals this way."
                                        Last edited by fordtraktor; Feb. 15, 2011, 09:22 AM.

                                        Comment

                                        Working...
                                        X