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  • #1

    Report on Las Vegas Symposium

    Done by someone who was ACTUALLY there.

    http://forums.horsecity.com/index.ph...&#entry4183585

    G.
    Mangalarga Marchador: Uma Raça, Uma Paixão
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    Thanks for posting that. It was interesting. What struck me the most was that not once in this report was the issue of meat safety and the EU restricitons for human consumption of the meat nor the fact that the EU has stated their intention of imposing a passport system on nations that supply horsemeat to the EU. It's like they have their heads in hole and hands over their ears at what is a major stumbling block to equine slaughter in the US or anywhere else for that matter. I saw no plan to institute a drug withdrawal enforcement plan (such as Canada has done) nor to go a step further and create a passport system that would ensure unsafe meat is not used for human consumption.

    I didn't notice the economy being blamed either for the numbers of "unwanted horses"...just the shutdown of the plants and how many are not sold at sales. I truly hope they are not so blinded by their cause to not at least consider that the issue is way more complex and caused by multiple factors than can be solved by just reopening US slaughter houses.

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    • #3
      Another perspective, in the interest of balance, also done by someone who was ACTUALLY there.

      http://www.savingamericasmustangs.or...orse_meetings/

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      • #4
        Thank you for the report, that was interesting.

        Will have to see how the AR groups and their followers respond to that.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Edward Martin View Post
          Another perspective, in the interest of balance, also done by someone who was ACTUALLY there.

          http://www.savingamericasmustangs.or...orse_meetings/


          I guess we don't have to wonder any more how AR groups will respond:


          ---"This week, a group of horse breeders and livestock industry representatives gathered in Las Vegas to network and organize a plan to reopen commercial horse slaughter plants in the United States. Realizing that horse slaughter is an unpalatable subject for most Americans, they cloaked their entire discussion behind the banner of horse welfare. ..."---

          "Cloaking", indeed.
          Still the old propaganda laden words, is it.

          Guess that not being part of that irritated them, so of course all that talk is no good.
          Never mind that some of the problems unwanted horses have today are a direct result of the AR groups poorly thought out actions, shame on them.

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          • #6
            I found this paragraph interesting and raised my opinion of Temple Grandin dramatically...the woman has balls.

            Temple Grandin was next. She began her talk by relaying all the alternatives to slaughter provided people who asked her not to attend the conference. She was the only presenter to even mention alternative solutions to slaughter. Solutions included low cost gelding, surcharges for registering to cover euthanasia, hay banks, support for in place rescue, etc.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Bluey View Post
              Guess that not being part of that irritated them, so of course all that talk is no good.
              (
              Ah, yes, I was told this would summon the infamous "Bluey"

              As this report was written by an attendee of the 'Summit' perhaps you can clarify what you mean by your above statement...?

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              • #8
                I will say that the Saving mustang page's version was a bit more complete than the Horsecity posters. I found it interesting that the "Tea Party" is involved in this also.

                Very enlightening to read.

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                  #9
                  The general economy is an ocean upon which all economic boats float. Neither side in this controversy can claim the present impasse over excess equine numbers is the "result of the economy." Hell's Bells, everything is influenced by the general economy.

                  The presence or absence of a market for horsemeat for human consumption is a major issue (one noted by some of the Tribes with big problems of overgrazing and declining equine health). But are there not other markets? Dog food? Chum? Hides? Dead legs for farrier training? You don't get to any of these markets until you overcome the demand that no horse ever be slaughtered. Once you get over that hurdle then you can address the "hows" of things like medication withdrawl periods.

                  The lady who wrote the report I linked to is heavily involved with and a friend to the feral/BLM horse. I thought she did a very good job in presenting what really happened. The ever-lasting thread on the symposium here (concentrating on myth and legend) stands in stark contrast to that factual rendition.

                  G.
                  Mangalarga Marchador: Uma Raça, Uma Paixão

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                  • #10
                    Ditto DB
                    My other huge concern is that Sue Wallis says they cannot wait for a system designed by Temple Grandin.
                    The problem with political jokes is that they get elected.
                    H. Cate

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Guilherme View Post
                      The general economy is an ocean upon which all economic boats float. Neither side in this controversy can claim the present impasse over excess equine numbers is the "result of the economy." Hell's Bells, everything is influenced by the general economy.

                      G.
                      Yes, I agree...but I find it odd that it's never even mentioned as a cause of "unwanted horses." It's a major factor in what has happened to the horse industry in the last two years.

                      Don't get me wrong...it's nice that they met to see what they could figure out but the lack of honestly addressing all the issues, causes, and obstacles just tells me that they have tunnel vision. That is no different than the other side who can't compromise either.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by JGHIRETIRE View Post
                        Ditto DB
                        My other huge concern is that Sue Wallis says they cannot wait for a system designed by Temple Grandin.
                        No surprise there when making money is a motivation.

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                        • #13
                          I saw no plan to institute a drug withdrawal enforcement plan (such as Canada has done) nor to go a step further and create a passport system that would ensure unsafe meat is not used for human consumption.
                          Canada has done that?

                          Where?

                          Oh yes...the PLAN. It's lovely, isn't it?

                          Too bad you can drive a transport truck through the loopholes.

                          NJR
                          Your beliefs don't make you a better person, your behaviour does.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Daydream Believer View Post
                            I found this paragraph interesting and raised my opinion of Temple Grandin dramatically...the woman has balls.

                            Temple Grandin was next. She began her talk by relaying all the alternatives to slaughter provided people who asked her not to attend the conference. She was the only presenter to even mention alternative solutions to slaughter. Solutions included low cost gelding, surcharges for registering to cover euthanasia, hay banks, support for in place rescue, etc.
                            She also said this and I think this is in alignment with what people who are often labeled "Pro-slaughter" feel:

                            Temple stated also that while she is neutral on the slaughter issue, what she is NOT neutral on is the mistreatment of animals, in either life or death. And she feels what the horses are subject to now -- long trailer rides and questionable slaughter practices -- is worse than having a slaughter house in the US that is regulated by outside agencies.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Edward Martin View Post
                              Ah, yes, I was told this would summon the infamous "Bluey"

                              As this report was written by an attendee of the 'Summit' perhaps you can clarify what you mean by your above statement...?


                              That you quoted was a facetious answer, to a circular discussion that never ends.

                              Just stick around and you will see what I mean by that.

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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by Daydream Believer View Post
                                I found this paragraph interesting and raised my opinion of Temple Grandin dramatically...the woman has balls.

                                Temple Grandin was next. She began her talk by relaying all the alternatives to slaughter provided people who asked her not to attend the conference. She was the only presenter to even mention alternative solutions to slaughter. Solutions included low cost gelding, surcharges for registering to cover euthanasia, hay banks, support for in place rescue, etc.

                                I am surprised by your comment, I guess you can listen to others.

                                Did you know that she keeps getting serious threats just from participating in these debates?

                                I still don't see how they will try to pay for ANY solution.
                                Both sides keep coming with ways to handle this that will demand money, but not where to find that money to start them and then insure they stay viable.

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by Bluey View Post
                                  I am surprised by your comment, I guess you can listen to others.
                                  [edit] Coming from you that is hilarious. You are the most close minded, condescending and obtuse person on this forum. I have never seen you so much as consider than anyone on the other side of the issue is anything other than an AR activist out to take your horses and all other animals from you.

                                  Get over yourself.
                                  Last edited by Moderator 1; Jan. 9, 2011, 07:09 PM. Reason: language

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by Daydream Believer View Post
                                    You are the most close minded, condescending and obtuse person on this forum.
                                    I just do not understand the negativity by a few towards Bluey. S/he had a different viewpoint and perhaps some experiences that many on this forum do not have. Her responses are rational, unemotional and consistent.

                                    Why is that so annoying to so many? How could you possibly read condescension into her replies? And being willing to express her beliefs based on her experiences as many times as the opposition does not make her obtuse.

                                    I think that people need to set aside their own emotions when reading and just pay attention to the words. Stop the knee jerk reactions. Read for comprehension and with a rational thought process instead of an emotional one.

                                    It doesn't mean you have to change your mind or feel differently but it would mean that everyone might react a little less negatively towards other, differing opinions. Then maybe we could actually get somewhere.

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by Daydream Believer View Post
                                      [edit] Coming from you that is hilarious. You are the most close minded, condescending and obtuse person on this forum. I have never seen you so much as consider than anyone on the other side of the issue is anything other than an AR activist out to take your horses and all other animals from you.

                                      Get over yourself.
                                      Comes from experience, miles and years along these paths.

                                      Will see what those that laugh at me now will say in a few more years.
                                      I did at someone that told me this would come to pass many years ago, didn't believe it, but the predictions were right on the spot.
                                      We are where I didn't think we would be, didn't expect people to be this gullible.
                                      Guess what, they are.
                                      Last edited by Moderator 1; Jan. 9, 2011, 07:10 PM. Reason: quote

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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by Bluey View Post
                                        I still don't see how they will try to pay for ANY solution.
                                        Both sides keep coming with ways to handle this that will demand money, but not where to find that money to start them and then insure they stay viable.
                                        I would imagine it would be easier to get people to donate funds to find alternatives than to find people willing to give money to fund slaughter. Ed Butcher wants to build a slaughter house in every state as well as ship horses by rail and also suggested building a large international airport in order to fly horses overseas. I wasn't in attendance so I don't know if he suggested where the funds for all of this would come from!

                                        As I've mentioned before, there are two groups here in NorCal who are successfully holding gelding and euthanasia clinics funded soley by donations.
                                        Proud owner of a Slaughter-Bound TB from a feedlot, and her surprise baby...!
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