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  • All those on the fence on the slaughter issue

    Brand new Dallas Crown footage just shot (terrible choice of words) . Watch the video, the sounds you hear in the background is the bolt and sounds of bodies falling . I don't know how anyone who could love horses would want this end for any and just imagine a loved horse of yours ending up here. We are coming up on a brand new year, lets make it count, a year for the horses!

    http://www.marynash.org/slaughterhou...32005_0005.wmv
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    Brand new Dallas Crown footage just shot (terrible choice of words) . Watch the video, the sounds you hear in the background is the bolt and sounds of bodies falling . I don't know how anyone who could love horses would want this end for any and just imagine a loved horse of yours ending up here. We are coming up on a brand new year, lets make it count, a year for the horses!

    http://www.marynash.org/slaughterhou...32005_0005.wmv
    NO HORSES TO SLAUGHTER CLIQUE
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    • #3
      Looking at that video, it's amazing that those horses don't look old, crippled and unhealthy like many slaughter advocates would like you to believe.

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      • #4
        I don't seriously think anybody that is "pro-slaughter" as you call it wishes for ANY horse to end up at a rendering plant.

        I am certainly not "pro-slaughter" but I'm not convinced banning slaughter is going to solve anything.

        The question that stills remains in my mind, and the anti-slaughter people have yet to answer adequately, is who is going to pay to support all the horses that would otherwise go to slaughter? And what will happen to those horses that owners can no longer afford?

        OK. That was two questions.

        I'm not convinced that humane (i.e., quick and painless) slaughter isn't better than long, slow starvation and neglect.

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        • #5
          anita m, I was shoved off that fence a few years ago. I thought that why wouldn't we treat horses the same as cattle. I felt guilty saying that if I eat meat who am I to say that horses shouldn't be slaughtered for meat.

          I came to an amazing turn in the road with my point of view when faced with answers to those questions and others.

          I discovered that the slaughter industry has created more problems for horses than if it weren't an option. I also have come to terms with that fact that horses aren't cows, we don't partner with cows, and really the cow didn't jump over the moon or anything. But the horses do jump when we ask them correctly and they do it as a partner with us. They do it for our kids, for our athletes and just for the joy of being our friends. That's not the equivelent of a cow. Nothing against cows.

          This is my opinion. If other peoples horses can go for slaughter, why not yours? I have other reasons too. But this has been discussed endlessly in this forum and others.

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          • #6
            No death is pretty. Few deaths are dignified, and all are sad. Regardless of species or circumstance. Don't act as if it's some sort of revelation.

            And those of us "on the fence" or "pro-slaughter" don't need a video to know that. And we love horses as much as you do. I love all animals - even the ones I hunt. And I respect those deaths too. If we don't cry and lament over posts about horse slaughter, don't make the assumption that we are on the fence or pro-slaughter. Maybe we just don't like and downright resent the tactics you're using.

            Slaughter is not necessarily inhumane. There was a 10 page thread on this just the other day and I can see the same crap is going to happen again. Are y'all a glutton for punishment?

            If slaughter ends so be it. I won't cry any tears over a ban. But I absolutely cannot stand this emotional haranguing and preaching. If I want a sermon - I'll go to church.

            If I showed you a video of old crippled horses being slaughtered would that prove that no healthy ones go to slaughter? Come on - it's just a video. No conclusions can be drawn from it except that it shows the death of livestock.

            Don't critize cows. I love cows. I also love pigs. Both are intelligent animals with a diverse and rich social structure. And I eat them. I am fully aware of exactly what I am eating, how it was raised, handled and slaughtered, and they taste good.

            As far as I'm concerned, I'm just another link in the chain. We make distinctions about what species we eat (or if we eat them at all) based on our culture or other factors - but you know - in the end we're just predators eating our kill. Just like on National Geographic.
            Brothers and sisters, I bid you beware
            Of giving your heart to a dog to tear.
            -Rudyard Kipling

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            • #7
              I saw part of a story awhile back about a woman who was working on a more humane system of slaughter for cattle...does anyone else remember this and know if anything came of it?
              Cowboy Logic, Walk In The Park, Blue, Jacob & Missy- and now Junior and Betty too!
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              • #8
                cowboylogic - are you thinking of Dr. Temple Grandin? If so, her website is:

                http://www.grandin.com/index.html

                I think one of the main problems with horse slaughter that distinguishes it from other livestock is that all other species are used to chutes, pens, ramps and all the other obstacles in the abbatoir. Domestic horses are housed and handled differently from birth in most instances. So there are some real challenges in mass handling of horses.

                Don't mean to hijack - if this is the person you're thinking of I got her book, Animals in Translation and it was quite interesting.
                Brothers and sisters, I bid you beware
                Of giving your heart to a dog to tear.
                -Rudyard Kipling

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                • #9
                  It is indeed sad to see a bright-eyed, well cared for horse, ears pricked, not knowing what's going to happen to it and wonder how it came to be there. But to be honest (I rarely look at these videos) the thing that struck me the most was that these horses looked fairly relaxed, alert, comfortable and not the least bit terrorized, terrified, etc.

                  Bloody bodies, hides, etc. don't bother me. I've seen a lot of dead humans. THAT is often intolerably sad. And also, at times, not sad at all, but a release from intolerable pain, indignity or disability. Death is powerful, no matter how you look at it. Images such as these, I'm sorry to say, don't move me nearly as much as images of pitiful, neglected horses standing miserably behind barbed wire fences with "owners" who "care for them".

                  Naturally I would love to see slaughter disappear, because I'd like for all horses to be loved and well cared for. There ARE things worse than death. I try hard not to delude myself--first we need to take better care of our OWN species, so many members of which are in much worse shape than the horses in the video.
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                  • #10
                    deltawave -

                    Thank you for saying what I was trying to say. Yours was a far more eloquent and sensitive post than I could manage to type out.
                    Brothers and sisters, I bid you beware
                    Of giving your heart to a dog to tear.
                    -Rudyard Kipling

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                    • #11
                      Thanks for posting that video !

                      I will not stop fighting until horse slaughter has ended in the United States.
                      Horses do not deserve this. They are not livestock they are our friends our pets. At least they will be safe for 8 months starting in March of 2006.

                      Again thanks for posting.

                      Bless the horses.
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                      • #12
                        Actually, J Swan, I think you're the one who's exhibiting masochism... Tb or not TB punished the devil's advocate/pro slaughter side pretty well!
                        "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated." - Gandhi

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                        • #13
                          There is a huge difference between cows, chickens, etc. who are bred to be eaten and horses who are used as pleasure or work animals, given all kinds of drugs to enhance their ability to do the things we ask them to do, and then cast aside by people who can no longer be bothered to care for them.
                          It's a uterus, not a clown car. - Sayyedati

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                          • #14
                            So slaughter is ended in the US. Do we think the rest of the world will follow suit? Or will the horses just have a longer ride to get to the slaughterhouse?

                            I say make horse ownership a privilege and not a right. Make people take out a license to own horses and make it bloody *expensive*. If you have to have horses, you have to have money. Cough it up. Use the money to do something about neglect.
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                              #15
                              <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by J Swan:

                              And those of us "on the fence" or "pro-slaughter" don't need a video to know that. And we love horses as much as you do. I love all animals - even the ones I hunt. And I respect those deaths too. If we don't cry and lament over posts about horse slaughter, don't make the assumption that we are on the fence or pro-slaughter. Maybe we just don't like and downright resent the tactics you're using.

                              <span class="ev_code_RED">Exactly what tactics am I using?</span>

                              Slaughter is not necessarily inhumane. There was a 10 page thread on this just the other day and I can see the same crap is going to happen again. Are y'all a glutton for punishment?

                              <span class="ev_code_RED">Obviously you are since you chose to post to this thread?</span>

                              If slaughter ends so be it. I won't cry any tears over a ban. But I absolutely cannot stand this emotional haranguing and preaching. If I want a sermon - I'll go to church.

                              <span class="ev_code_RED">Once again as stated this is a public BB you have a choice to open a post and then to post or not. Did it not say slaughter in the heading?</span>


                              As far as I'm concerned, I'm just another link in the chain. We make distinctions about what species we eat (or if we eat them at all) based on our culture or other factors - but you know - in the end we're just predators eating our kill. Just like on National Geographic. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                              <span class="ev_code_RED">Humans are the only animals that kill for greed, profit and fun, not just to eat. </span>
                              NO HORSES TO SLAUGHTER CLIQUE
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                              • #16
                                I have been told twice lately that there is " no more slaughter plants in the US".
                                My vet told me this. And I heard it from an old timey horse dealer.
                                So is there? I thought there were two, one in Texas and one in Indiana?
                                Thanks.
                                I am torn on this issue. I have saved several horses, dozens of small animals, but I do believe humane destruction is where some horses need to go. But, what about good horses that fall through the cracks.
                                I have no answers.
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                                  #17
                                  <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by anita m:
                                  I don't seriously think anybody that is "pro-slaughter" as you call it wishes for ANY horse to end up at a rendering plant.

                                  I am certainly not "pro-slaughter" but I'm not convinced banning slaughter is going to solve anything.

                                  The question that stills remains in my mind, and the anti-slaughter people have yet to answer adequately, is who is going to pay to support all the horses that would otherwise go to slaughter? And what will happen to those horses that owners can no longer afford?

                                  OK. That was two questions.

                                  I'm not convinced that humane (i.e., quick and painless) slaughter isn't better than long, slow starvation and neglect. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                  Anita these horses are NOT going to a rendering plant, they are slaughtered for human consumption overseas. There are quite a few of us who have no problem with rendering, horses are usually euthanized by a vet and then picked up by the rendering plants. I have no problem with this but I have a huge problem with the horse slaughter business all the way around, from how they aquire, transport and slaughter the horses.
                                  NO HORSES TO SLAUGHTER CLIQUE
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                                    #18
                                    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by shea'smom:
                                    I have been told twice lately that there is " no more slaughter plants in the US".
                                    My vet told me this. And I heard it from an old timey horse dealer.
                                    So is there? I thought there were two, one in Texas and one in Indiana?
                                    Thanks.
                                    I am torn on this issue. I have saved several horses, dozens of small animals, but I do believe humane destruction is where some horses need to go. But, what about good horses that fall through the cracks.
                                    I have no answers. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                    There are three plants that slaughter for human consumption:

                                    Beltex and Dallas Crown in TX
                                    Cavel in Dekalb IL

                                    All are foreign owned.
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                                    • #19
                                      Thanks.
                                      I am very surprised my vet didn't know this.
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                                        #20
                                        Here is the link to HR 503, please read it if you haven't already. It prohibits transportation out of the country for the purpose of slaughter. The likely hood of a black market for horsemeat is very low, horses are not easily hidden to tranport across borders, proper papers that would be required would be ineffective cost wise. http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c109:H.R.503:
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