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  • #21
    I think where the fear comes from is situations such as the recent one with the TB gelding (I know he had a military name, but can't think of it right now). Trainer gives a month's free board, and the day after new owner takes possession, the horse is down the road and believed slaughtered.
    As another poster indicated, if you are given a horse for free, there needs to be some fair expectation of the horse being cared for for a reasonable period of time instead of just being flipped for a few bucks. Somewhere there hopefully is middle ground!
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    • #22
      Originally posted by Isabeau Z Solace View Post
      How is it that Person A has the right to 'walk away' from the responsibility and Person B ought to have no such right at all ??
      Because Person A is the one making the offer and Person B is the one accepting it, while well aware of the conditions. Just like any "sale" if you don't like the price, move on and don't buy.

      Personally I never know why so many people get their knickers in a twist about statements like this.

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      • #23
        Originally posted by Isabeau Z Solace View Post
        What is it with these people "rehoming" horses who want a guarantee of a "forever home."
        How is it that Person A has the right to 'walk away' from the responsibility and Person B ought to have no such right at all ??
        ah yes, one of the greatest mysteries of life that and is the Santorini remnant really Atlantis and why are the Mayan temple stone warrior effigies so reminiscent of Iron Age German war helmets?

        but I digress.

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        • #24
          Originally posted by Kate66 View Post
          Because Person A is the one making the offer and Person B is the one accepting it, while well aware of the conditions. Just like any "sale" if you don't like the price, move on and don't buy.

          Personally I never know why so many people get their knickers in a twist about statements like this.
          Sure, but unless the situation is a free lease or an adoption placement where Person A still retains official ownership, the conditions are just so much fluff. If Person B takes actual ownership of the horse Person A can weep and moan all they like, once the property is owned by B, B can do what they like with it.

          I'm all for trying to find the best home possible for an animal if you can no longer look after it. Asking for references, maybe visiting the farm, offering to take back the horse if things don't work out, etc.
          But once you give up ownership of any property, give up the fluffy feel-good idea that any "conditions" of yours must be followed by whoever now owns the property. It does nothing but provide a false sense of security.
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          • #25
            "Forever home" garuntee contracts are like "First Right of Refusal" contracts.

            I've yet to see one honored that did not involve the initial seller or 'rehomer' staying in extremely close contact with the new owner/home. I'm sure it does happen outside my limited field of vision, but I've heard more stories about it not.

            Sometimes I wonder if those stipulations are more to make the person letting go of the horse feel better at the time of the transfer of ownership, but once the horse is gone it's out of sight out of mind. There's exceptions to this, like everything, but really.
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            • #26
              I agree with the point about the individuals who expect both money and some sort of guarantee for horses with little, if any, economic value. They are either naive or crazy and I feel sorry for their horses.

              To me, though, "rehoming" suggests that Person A is turning over a horse to Person B for free or for significantly less money than the horse is worth, in exchange for the promise of a good home or first right of refusal, etc.

              Person A trades economic gain for peace of mind, Person B gets a horse that is of value to them.

              I doubt contracts of that nature are binding in a legal sense, but there are people out there who honor their promises. I have helped rehome a few horses that way and the new owners have all done what they said they'd do - kept in touch and provided a good home.

              Not nearly enough of those good people/homes out there right now, though, it seems...

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              • #27
                An ad in our Craiglist:

                ---"My husband lost his job and we are having to move in the next week or so. I have an old Quarter Horse that I will have to have put down if I cannot find him a home. He is 24 years old and approx. 16.1hh. He is healthy, just old. He does have one special requirement, he cannot be kept in a pen or stall even overnight or he will colic. He has no issues when turned out, even if fed alfalfa or grain. He has been a ranch horse all of his life.

                He is very well-mannered and kind. He is no longer suitable for an adult to ride, but could be used to lead small children on once in a while. Primarily he needs a retirement home and would be a good companion horse. He has no vices. He keeps well on pasture alone in the warmer months and has some sweet feed in the winter.

                I know it sounds brutal to consider euthanizing him, but we don't have anywhere for us to go yet much less him. I'd rather know he ended his days happily than took a one way trip to Mexico. Obviously finding him a good home is much preferred. We are not asking anything for him, but we would like to know that his new owners have the facilities and ability to care for him. "---

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                • #28
                  I paid to have 1 horse and 2 ponies pulled from the kill pen at New Holland. I felt really bad for them and figured I would save them from being someones dinner. After bringing them home and getting them healthy, I put them up for sale for the same price that I paid for them. I have had each buyer sign a contract stating that if for any reason they can not keep the horse that they must contact me. I did advertise that I wanted these guys to have a forever home. The last thing that I want is for them to end up back where they came from. All of them now have little girls who love and care for them.
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                  • #29
                    Bluey, that is so sad. I have a horse that almost fits that description except she is 28. Fortunately, even if I lose my job, keeping her until the COPD is so bad that she tells me she's ready, is not an issue. If that horse were in the Carolinas or Va, I'd take it in an instant, but I can't justify going/sending to Tx to get it.
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                    • #30
                      Originally posted by Sleepy View Post
                      Bluey, that is so sad. I have a horse that almost fits that description except she is 28. Fortunately, even if I lose my job, keeping her until the COPD is so bad that she tells me she's ready, is not an issue. If that horse were in the Carolinas or Va, I'd take it in an instant, but I can't justify going/sending to Tx to get it.
                      The problem here is that there are many such ads all the time any more.
                      We get calls about such and some that people just don't want to keep any more, are "too old", like the other day someone with a 21 year old mare that they "can't ride any more so just want to give away to a good home that has a pasture to keep her".

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                      • #31
                        I've given away a horse that I've required a "forever home" for. I also said that if for any reason the new owner could not keep said horse any longer, they could ship the horse back to me, no questions asked.

                        I think that is totally reasonable. It makes the horse my problem again in the event the person doesn't want it. I just don't want them sending it to slaughter if it becomes inconvenient, you know? Hard to make sure they don't, but you do what you can. That's the best I could come up with.

                        For the record, horse was never going to be valuable, so it wasn't a matter of them putting a lot of training on it and not being able to sell it. It was a family trail horse type with some lameness issues but still useful. Didn't fit my program but was good for light riding. That's the kind of horse I want to still have a family to love him but I worry about selling on, you know? I didn't think he'd hold up to a lesson program so he wasn't getting much attention on my farm, just a trail ride once a week or so and no time to plait his mane and kiss his nose like he deserved, too many other horses.

                        I don't think a flat-out "forever home" is necessarily fair. And if they wanted to pass him along to another family I would be OK with that, as long as it is a good home, I know about it and the new family knows that they can send him back to me too.
                        Last edited by fordtraktor; Jan. 7, 2011, 11:02 AM.

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                        • #32
                          I agree, you cannot expect someone to keep the horse forever. Circumstances can always change. I think if you want the horse to have a "forever home", then that home needs to be with yourself! You need a contract signed that the horse comes back to you when the new owner is incapable of keeping it. And you must also stay in contact with the new owner, not just change your phone number and never contact them again.

                          I just had my navicular DWB come back to me when the person I gave him to could no longer keep him. So guess what? I'm his forever home, that is the only way you can guarantee the horse will have a good life. I certainly don't love having to pay for two horses again, but I do love the two horses! That makes it worthwhile.

                          If you cannot take the horse back and guarantee it a forever home with yourself, then you have to simply sell the horse and hope for the best. I agree it is crazy to demand a forever home that you yourself are unwilling or unable to give.

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                          • #33
                            I hit on this condundrum this summer when I decided it would be in everyone's best intrest if I cut back my number of horses from 3 to 2. I could afford to pay for all three, but I'm hoping to move soon and would have to board, etc. Horse # 3 and I really just didn't mesh. He was sweet but more than I could handle and he knew how to pull my bluffs. Eventually I decided to list him in the giveaways on this board. I found someone who was interested, visited her place, and had her sign a free lease. In this lease, she was responsible for all of the horse's care but he was still officially mine. She had him for a few month's trial period. At the end of the few months, I went back out to check on "my" horse. He was taken care of, as was their other horse, and they still liked him. I can't rationalize keeping a horse on a free lease forever. It's hard to convince someone that they should invest their money into a horse that isn't "theirs" and that you could take away on a whim. I did the best I could to find this horse a decent home and then decided to cut the cord. I sold him for $1 to the person who was leasing him. I told them if they ever needed to get rid of him, I would take him back no questions asked. Buuut he's their horse and they can do whatever they want. They may turn around and sell him at auction tomorrow. It's scary, but true. I just have to put faith in the fact that I tried my hardest to ensure that he was going somewhere where he would be taken care of. Sooner or later you have to just cut the cord and trust the rest to fate. Unless of course you have infinite amounts of money and time. In which case you can use it keeping tabs on all the horses you ever sold/leased.

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                            • #34
                              Originally posted by DeeThbd View Post
                              I think where the fear comes from is situations such as the recent one with the TB gelding (I know he had a military name, but can't think of it right now). Trainer gives a month's free board, and the day after new owner takes possession, the horse is down the road and believed slaughtered.
                              As another poster indicated, if you are given a horse for free, there needs to be some fair expectation of the horse being cared for for a reasonable period of time instead of just being flipped for a few bucks. Somewhere there hopefully is middle ground!
                              Does anyone know if he was ever found?
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                              • #35
                                Originally posted by Isabeau Z Solace View Post
                                What is it with these people "rehoming" horses who want a guarantee of a "forever home."

                                Somehow, it is alright for Person A to want to 'get out from under' the responsibility of owning the horse, but Person B (somehow) should have no such right. Person B must guarantee that they will give an indeterminate amount of time, $, and care to a horse that Person A doesn't want to be bothered with anymore (or can't afford, or whatever.)

                                How is it that Person A has the right to 'walk away' from the responsibility and Person B ought to have no such right at all ??


                                I think we may have read the same ad on the Giveaways forum! I was sitting there thinking the same thing.

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                                • #36
                                  I think if you are actually selling or giving away the horse it is impossible to request or expect the new owners to keep it forever. If you seriously do not want something bad to happen to that horse, then you have to retain ownership somehow. Maybe a free lease or something like that. But there are risks there also, of the horse coming back lame or with bad habits whatever. And you have to be sure that you can take it back at the drop of a hat.

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                                  • #37
                                    I think it's very situational. I do get very aggravated with the "need to rehome my dead lame, pasture puff horse to a forever home". Right. You don't want to pay for him, so you want me too?

                                    However, I've also seen situations where the owner falls into terrible financial circumstances but wants their horse to go to a good home.

                                    In my opinion, the best thing you can do to assure your horse's future is to make sure they are as well trained and versatile as possible.

                                    If they aren't sound enough to have a chance at a good home, I would put them down if my finances went down the tube before I'd take a chance on having them end up in a bad situation.

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                                    • #38
                                      Originally posted by LauraKY View Post
                                      I think it's very situational. I do get very aggravated with the "need to rehome my dead lame, pasture puff horse to a forever home". Right. You don't want to pay for him, so you want me too?

                                      However, I've also seen situations where the owner falls into terrible financial circumstances but wants their horse to go to a good home.

                                      In my opinion, the best thing you can do to assure your horse's future is to make sure they are as well trained and versatile as possible.l

                                      But the first mentioned seem to be the more common variety.
                                      The 'he is lame but I want to show and can only have one at a time' deal...

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                                      • #39
                                        I know the ad and the person to which Isabeau is referring.

                                        Why is it any of her business? It's between the owner of the horse and any potential taker. Like any transaction -- don't like the terms, walk away.

                                        Isabeau stuck her nose and her opinion where it was not wanted or solicited.

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                                        • #40
                                          Originally posted by Beasmom View Post
                                          I know the ad and the person to which Isabeau is referring.

                                          Why is it any of her business? It's between the owner of the horse and any potential taker. Like any transaction -- don't like the terms, walk away.

                                          Isabeau stuck her nose and her opinion where it was not wanted or solicited.

                                          Sorry, but there is room to discuss this phenomenon of our current times.

                                          After all we always harp on doing the responsible thing for Dobbin.

                                          Naturally, it is primarily a matter of whether or not the taker wants to comply, but seriously a reality check is in order at times.

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