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  • I ask that we respect EFF's grief and leave her alone, unless we have something to say that is of some value to her. One poster offered a phone number and some help, is there no one else in her area? Or is everyone too happy on their high horses to offer their help? But for the grace of god go us.
    I might remind you that the OP is the one that came on to a public forum to share her revenge fantasies about the poor dog. This community is usually very helpful towards those who are grieving and, I imagine, would have helped in any way that they could if the OP had asked for help. Instead, she threatened to turn a domesticated pet loose to fend for itself or die, or potentially hurt someone else. That’s unacceptable.

    Also, I would like to point out that immediately following the shovel comment the OP said that after she bashed her head in, she wouldn't have buried the dog, just stuck her out with the trash. This to me reads as if the OP wanted to kill the dog (along with the shot her/stomp her comments) not that she merely wanted to dislodge the poor cat.

    Count me as another one who does not imagine the exes of their SO on fire.

    but her failure to harm said dog and continuance to provide food and shelter until the owner comes to get him proves the OP is in fact a good person.
    No, it doesn’t “prove” anything.

    AMEN! Hypocritical to bash OP when you have NOT walked a mile in her shoes. I AM SURE she will NOT hurt the dog. She is understandably upset right now. GEEESH!
    Why are you so "SURE"?
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    They're small hearts.

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    • I recently had a similar situation. My dog killed a kitten we had found next to the road. The kitten had been with us for about 4 weeks. I was horrified and furious with the dog. I did contact a shelter and talked with them about giving the dog up. In the end I decided to keep and forgive the dog. She really can't help herself and hurting her or abandoning her won't help. I am still sick over the death of the kitten. I suppose one difference is that the dog is mine. I already loved her, but it was very tough. I understand the rage that comes with witnessing a beloved pet killed in front of you. But, please don't punish the dog in an eye for an eye way. Please take someone here up on their offer to help.

      I am so very sorry for your loss.
      "The captive bolt is not a proper tool for slaughter of equids they regain consciousness 30 seconds after being struck fully aware they are being vivisected." Dr Friedlander DVM & frmr Chief USDA Insp

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      • Originally posted by farmgirl598 View Post
        AMEN! Hypocritical to bash OP when you have NOT walked a mile in her shoes. I AM SURE she will NOT hurt the dog. She is understandably upset right now. GEEESH!
        When I was 6 years old and holding my brand new kitten- my 90lb, rather energetic but perfectly friendly, chocolate lab ran up on the porch and i dropped kitty. the Lab did as labs are meant to do and fetched the poor Kitty and broke her leg.

        Never once did I or my parents threaten poor doggie with death or dismemberment via shovel.

        Apparently many of us HAVE been in her shoes and HAVE taken the high road and RESTRAINED ourselves from maiming an animal that was just being an animal.

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        • Originally posted by Auventera Two View Post
          So am I the only one here thinking that the authroties should probably step in, read these posts and REMOVE THIS DOG from this woman's posession? Because seriously, I have a real problem with what's been posted. If this woman is this furious with the dog, who knows if she will feed and water her, or who knows if she'll just snap and beat the dog to death? Wow this is truly one of the most disgusting threads I have read on coth. And a person this unstable doesn't need to be running an animal rescue.
          I for one think you are way over the top. The OP posted once and maybe realizes the mistake she made. It's not like she has been on here 10,000 times defending the fact that she ditched the dog. Why would she even come back here and give an update when rabid people like you are waiting to go on the attack?

          Get a life. You are not so perfect as you think you are, none of us is for that matter. Hopefully the worst mistake the OP made was to come here in a fit of emotion and post things that she never should have shared out loud. And until there is evidence otherwise, that is what I am going to assume happened.

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          • Originally posted by farmgirl598 View Post
            AMEN! Hypocritical to bash OP when you have NOT walked a mile in her shoes. I AM SURE she will NOT hurt the dog. She is understandably upset right now. GEEESH!
            Well, I've seen my horse stomp a chicken to death and I've seen the same horse trying to kill my poor old hound dog who only has 3 working legs. It NEVER occurred to me to bash the horse over the head or shoot her or do anything else nasty. I threw a manure rake at her to scare her off the dog and though I was mad at her, I had no thoughts of physically harming her. Animals will be animals. Like I said before, if a person can't handle the carnal nature of animals that can ocassionally surface, then you better stick to stamp collecting and knitting.

            And sorry sketcher but I happen to find it very alarming and disturbing that someone makes 2 posts on the internet about how she would love to brutually kill a dog and throw it out in the trash. When that person runs a horse rescue I guess it's all that more alarming.

            If it were ME posting about how I would love to beat a dog to death with a shovel or stomp and kick it to death, the hounds of hell would be on my tail. I don't believe for one minute that you would be defending me in my moment of grief.

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            • Originally posted by Barnfairy
              Is there someone who lives near the OP who can go and get this dog to transport it to a shelter/do the right thing while EFF is working out coping with her loss?
              Originally posted by JSwan View Post
              Someone in the northern part of the state already publicly offered to assist by taking the dog.

              I don't know how close that person is to the OP's location, though. Hopefully there are some folks working behind the scenes to assist the OP/dog. I'd not blame anyone for doing so privately, rather than posting about it.
              Excellent, forgive me for not having read all of the replies.

              Given the attackative nature of COTH, my concern is that EFF has "closed down", and with that in mind I was hoping that perhaps there is someone who knows her who could intervene. I too would not blame anyone for not disclosing anything here.

              It is my sincerest wish that sanity prevails.

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              • Originally posted by danceronice View Post
                What? I didn't edit. Simply removed the irrelevant part.

                You must be new to the internet. Grow up, dear, you'll feel much smarter.
                Irrelevant to serve your purpose yet changes the intent of what was originally written. Google contextomy and get back to me.

                I love that you said you "didn't edit" but "simply removed" part. Brilliant!!
                "look deep into his pedigree. Look for the name of a one-of-a-kind horse who lends to his kin a fierce tenacity, a will of iron, a look of eagles. Look & know that Slew is still very much with us."

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                • Originally posted by Barnfairy View Post

                  It is my sincerest wish that sanity prevails.
                  Mine too.
                  Brothers and sisters, I bid you beware
                  Of giving your heart to a dog to tear.
                  -Rudyard Kipling

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                  • Originally posted by VanEq View Post
                    Sitting smug behind your keyboard insisting that there's *NO WAY* you would ever have similar thoughts is 1) useless and 2) a lie.

                    Or is everyone too happy on their high horses to offer their help? But for the grace of god go us.
                    Smug? On our high horses? You forgot super! Why is saying it's NOT okay to take it out on the dog perceived as help? Instead we're kicking EFF when she's down. And I know you're not going to want to hear this but, fantasizing in a negative manner - death, maiming, abusing, setting on fire - is NOT normal. Hello? Read much about serial killers?

                    So how 'bout instead of getting all holier than thou with us and our objections to mistreatment of the dog, maybe you should look closer at why you feel an affinity with EFF's posts and need to defend her reprehensible behavior.
                    This it be all wot we want in life, wenn peoples dey loff us. ~ Willem

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                    • Hello? Read much about serial killers?

                      So how 'bout instead of getting all holier than thou with us and our objections to mistreatment of the dog, maybe you should look closer at why you feel an affinity with EFF's posts and need to defend her reprehensible behavior.
                      DRAMA QUEEN ALERT!!!!!!!

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                      • Originally posted by Aventura Two
                        So am I the only one here thinking that the authroties should probably step in, read these posts and REMOVE THIS DOG from this woman's posession? Because seriously, I have a real problem with what's been posted. If this woman is this furious with the dog, who knows if she will feed and water her, or who knows if she'll just snap and beat the dog to death?
                        There is talking, and there is doing. In the heat of the moment and immediately following, the OP did not harm the dog. She instead voiced her grief and anger on the internet. The fact that she placed the dog safely away (crate) without acting on the urge to stomp it at a time when emotions ran the strongest suggests that she is unlikely to cause injury or neglect to the dog. Otherwise, she would have done it already.

                        Regardless of how long the OP has had this dog, she has not accepted it as her own. Therefore, the dog remains an intruder into her household that has now killed her cat. The situation is tragic. The dog was simply being a dog, but the OP is simply being human. If there is someone near to her in Louisiana, she and the dog could probably benefit from some understanding and kindness at this time.
                        "I did know once, only I've sort of forgotten." - Winnie the Pooh

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                        • I just saw this and I am so sorry EFF.

                          I am sure OP is just absolutely angry and disgusted about watching her cat killed. Yes dogs will be dogs sometimes, but still that kind of stuff angers me as well. And if it wasn't my dog, I would be more angry especially if I was trying to help out people who, lets face it don't give a f***.

                          I too may have come to this very BB and vented rather angrily, but would not do any of what I say. I am a very passtionate person and sometimes that means I shoot my mouth off before actually thinking things through. And I do rage but never at my animals. Boy I have kicked a few buckets into oblivion!

                          Now the closest I ever came to actually beating an animal was the mare that killed another mare's foal. It was no freaking accident and I just hated that mare. If I had a gun that day, I probably would have shot her. I remember having to get her and her colt foal out of the field while my husband had to continue to lay on the fatally injured filly. I was snapping on the rope and I was screaming at her with tears streaming down my face. I looked at her colt foal, little Damien, and I just collapsed in a heap on the ground still holding the mare in a ball of tears. And it was at that moment that I knew that I could not take this out on the mare only for the sake of the foal really. I hated her til the day she left, and I mean hated her, but I had to take care of her and I had to deal with her in a respectful manner.

                          But if I had sat down at the computer at that very instant, I'm sure I would have met with the wrath of CoTH. So I am reserving judgement of the OP until she can think with a clear head.

                          On a little happier story about dogs with cats (just to change the tone) I am very lucky with my 3 dogs including a GSD. I used to live at a place where the neighbor had 4 dogs. They took off after my fat cat one day and my 3 cut them off at the pass and stayed with Clyde from that time on, always at least one of them. I don't know how I've been so lucky because this passed on to the replacement GSD dog we got who, to my knowledge, had no cat experience. I now live in a place which I don't think is suitable for cats really - the owner has 2 greyhound cross dogs who are lightning fast and have to much prey animal in them. But early in the morning they are locked up (I do check) and Clyde goes out with Stan the GSD dog. When it's time for Clyde to come back in I generally find him curled up next to Stan on the doorstep.

                          EFF, I am very sorry and understand your sadness. I'm sure you will still not like that dog very much, but I'm also sure you will do the right thing to ensure his saftey until he can be moved to a different home. Sometimes life would be so much easier if our animals saw things in terms of human emotions but they don't so we do have to just take a deep breath and do the best we can for them, even if they aren't our own.

                          Terri
                          COTH, keeping popcorn growers in business for years.

                          "I need your grace to remind me to find my own." Snow Patrol-Chasing Cars. This line reminds me why I have horses.

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                          • If it were ME posting about how I would love to beat a dog to death with a shovel or stomp and kick it to death, the hounds of hell would be on my tail.
                            Seems the hounds of hell all live here, that's for sure.....

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                            • Originally posted by farmgirl598 View Post
                              AMEN! Hypocritical to bash OP when you have NOT walked a mile in her shoes. I AM SURE she will NOT hurt the dog. She is understandably upset right now. GEEESH!
                              Well, I have had a cat killed by my dogs. Actually, I stopped the dogs before the cat was dead, but it was in very bad shape so my husband ran to get his very sharp machete (sp?) and in one stroke he beheaded our poor cat to end his intense suffering immediately. I loved that cat, his name was Oscar and we had brought him back home to the US with us after finding him as a stray kitten while living overseas.

                              I was mad as hell at the dogs but I never even had to touch any of them. I ran to where the attack was happening yelling at them to stop, by the time I got there they had all backed off (4 dogs) from the verbal commands (very loud and angry, yes). I did not have to hit or kick anyone of them. Afterwards, they were very humble dogs, they knew I was angry and displeased with them. I never contemplated any violence towards any of them. Oscar was sick, terminal with cancer actually. He was near his time to be euthanized and I think the smell of dying was on him and that was part of what incited them to attack him. I mourned the loss of Oscar, but did not wish any violence on my dogs.


                              So, I have gone through what the OP went through, does that qualify me to judge her without being a hypocrite? I still find her posts and stated intentions to be completely unacceptable. To be honest, I don't believe that people need to have "walked a mile" in her shoes to be able to judge what she herself posted on this forum. What she wrote is not only morally wrong it is legally wrong and there are many people on this forum capable of making this judgement.

                              I hope that the OP did the right thing today and took the dog to a shelter or to a vet to be euthanized.
                              Annabelle Mayr, Arcadia Farm
                              Home of Fitz, Austria & Erin
                              Now over the Rainbow Bridge: Daeo, Max, Finn, Jake, Seamus & Pleasure

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                              • Elysian, if you happen to check in here, I want to offer my sincere condolences on the loss of your dear kitty. Especially in such a terrible manner. I would urge you not to just shut the dog out of your home and leave it to fend for itself. The dog does not understand what he did wrong and he will be confused and terrified. Could you really live with that on your conscience? My horse killed my kitty when I was 15. I went to the barn to clean stalls and found Willow trampled to death in my TB's stall. They had been great friends and I was traumatized, so I know what you are going through, but hurting another animal will not fix what happened, and it could haunt you down the road if you turn the dog loose or harm it. I never got over what I found that day, but I didn't hold it against my horse, either.

                                Please force yourself to stay away from the 'what if' game that our minds try to torture us with after such a horrifying event. Your kitty was obviously well loved and had a great life with you so I hope you can focus on the good and heal from the bad. If you can't forgive the dog I hope you will find a shelter or let us know what area you live in so we can get the word out and perhaps help find him a new home.

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                                • I posted without reading the entire thread previously..... wow!
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                                  • Originally posted by farmgirl598 View Post
                                    AMEN! Hypocritical to bash OP when you have NOT walked a mile in her shoes. I AM SURE she will NOT hurt the dog. She is understandably upset right now. GEEESH!
                                    I have been in her shoes... I posted it earlier. It stinks. I cried, alot. Dog was not "mine" originally either. Just saying, sometimes grief makes you say some really terrible thing but this person runs a RESCUE for crying out loud. Yet she is considering doing what amounts to the same thing to a dog.... Ironic. And sorry- makes you second guess rescues. Hopefully someone in her are will not read her potential actions and have it negatively affect her rescue.
                                    Come to the dark side, we have cookies

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                                    • Originally posted by Auventera Two View Post
                                      If it were ME posting about how I would love to beat a dog to death with a shovel or stomp and kick it to death, the hounds of hell would be on my tail. I don't believe for one minute that you would be defending me in my moment of grief.
                                      Yes, I would. Despite my personal opinion of you based on what I read in your postings - if I thought you were possibly venting. Not being willing to judge someone based on limited information is far different form defending someones bad behavior.

                                      Honestly, I'm not a fan of the OP. I disagree with much of her take on things. But that doesn't make either of us wrong or right and has nothing to do with the situation at hand here so why attack her?

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                                      • Originally posted by Tamara in TN View Post
                                        Well your "friend" sucks the big kielbasa.

                                        After 8 mos, that dog is yours irrespective of any agreements you have with the Kielbasa Queen,at least in it's mind.

                                        Your house is her house,your yard is her yard and the cat that she never had seen in HER yard was fair game.

                                        Add to that the dingy neighbor chick reinforcing(training) the "kill the furry squeaky things in HER yard"...well the trap was laid for your cat.

                                        If neither you nor your "friend" want the thing, than put it down or give it to some dog rescue that like cat eaters...

                                        but it needs to be away from you for both your sakes

                                        Tamara in TN
                                        This. I can understand the anger the OP is feeling but after having a dog for 8 months (or any other animal) I can't imagine not becoming fond of it and wanting to kick it to the curb.

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                                        • Yes, I would. Despite my personal opinion of you based on what I read in your postings - if I thought you were possibly venting
                                          Well said, Sketcher!!!

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