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  • #41
    So sorry to hear about your cat - I have one missing right now and feel responsible for it, so I know how emotional it can be.

    That said, besides being really unfair to the dog, it is unfair to some motorist who may hit it, or some neighbor who may lose their beloved cat to just let the dog loose. Please drop it at Animal Control or a Humane Society. You went above and beyond to keep the dog for so long and I sorry it cost you your dear Luna....

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    • #42
      i am so sorry for your loss.

      i know your pain well. i had to put my cat down after an encounter with my dog.

      you had no way of anticipating this. it was an accident.
      (((hugs)))

      i hope that you don't act on your anger by letting the dog loose or stomping it with your feet. they are just animals. i think we forget that sometimes.
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      • #43
        I'm very sorry for the loss of your cat. Having had the same experience with a "cat safe" dog I was fostering, I know exactly what you witnessed. It's why I no longer foster adult dogs.

        However, what you are proposing to do to the dog is nothing short of a crime. Legally, morally and ethically.

        The responsible thing to do is to take the animal to an animal shelter, or contact a rescue and attempt to place the animal. Or, euthanize it humanely.

        If you dump this dog - I hope the authorities find out and you're convicted of animal cruelty.

        While I sympathize with and understand your sorrow over the loss of your cat - it will never excuse what you are proposing to do.

        And your "friend" sounds like a real boil on the butt of society for even proposing it - as do you for even considering it.

        Again - my condolences on the loss of your cat - but don't inflict suffering and terror on the dog for acting according to its instincts.
        Brothers and sisters, I bid you beware
        Of giving your heart to a dog to tear.
        -Rudyard Kipling

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        • #44
          EFF I am so very sorry for your loss and your unfeeling, irresponsible friend. I can't imagine the guilt I would feel had that been my dog killing something a friend of mine loved so dearly. I would be there as quick as I could get in the car and figure something out for MY dog on MY own, even if I had to take her to the shelter myself. She has effectively abandoned the dog with you, with no thought to your needs. One thing to remember, and this is not a criticism, if something happens with the dog being loose, you will be held legally responsible by animal control since she has been dumped on you so long. In the eyes of the law, she has become yours, so you should also be free to do what you think is best - a shelter or euthanizing.

          I do not mean to criticize you or lecture you in any way. Your pain is palpable. I know how awful traumatic events are and the grief and anger that follows. Feel free to vent all you need to. I say things like this that I do not mean when I am far past what I can emotionally handle. Sometimes just saying it makes you feel better, even though you have no real intention of doing it. Please try not to let those who have disagreed with you make this any worse, although I am not sure it can get any worse for you.

          I will be thinking about you and wishing you peace and your wonderful girl a swift, peaceful journey. I am so so sorry she is gone and you are feeling this pain.

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          • #45
            Originally posted by KristiKGC View Post
            Wow, your post is the worst thing I've heard in a very long time. And I don't mean the part about the dog killing your cat. I am very sorry that it happened, but the dog doesn't deserve to be kicked out on the street. YOU took the dog in, THE OWNERS have abandoned him with you, YOU accidentally let the cat out. And yet, you feel that its ok to let a dog starve to death, scared and alone? The dog was acting out of insticts. You, however, can think about your actions and still want to be a horrible person, which IMHO, makes you worse than the dog.

            I felt bad when I started reading your post, now I just feel disgusted.
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            • #46
              I would just take the dog down to the shelter (unless animal control will pick the dog up) or find a friend who will drive the dog there for you, and ignore the stupid former owner who basically abandoned the animal at your place, and now wants you to dump the dog.

              The former owner is the one who said to dump the dog on the street not Elysian, and I know Elysian is just venting and wouldn't do such an inhumane act. I imagine the shelter will either euthanize the dog for free, or maybe try to rehome, but either way the problem will not be Elysian's any longer except for the continuing heartache and sense of loss.
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              • #47
                When we choose to take animals into our homes, and lives, we accept that our hearts may be broken at any time. You can't love or help another creature without making yourself vulnerable to pain and loss. There is a layer of your emotional core that you must be willing to peel back and leave it sit there vulnerable and open. This is something that not every person can do. Many people cannot allow animals to be a part of their life because they cannot open themselves up to this vulnerability.

                Two wrongs don't make a right. The dog was acting on his natural instinct. It's now up to you to either seek revenge on this dog, or to behave logically and compassionately and rehome the dog into a family that has no cats or other small pets.

                Anger is justified - revenge is not. Anger will become tempered with time but revenge is forever. If you turn this dog loose to starve to death or be hit by a car, your anger will soon fade and will be replaced by guilt and remorse. You will carry it with you forever that you directly caused an animal to die alone and in pain. Then you will not only have to carry the pain of your cat's tragic death, but also the pain of the dog's death as well.

                Think about it and do the right thing. For now you could set the dog up in a stall in the barn with food and water and have someone else feed and care for him. That way you don't have to be directly involved with him until you find him a home. Put ads in the paper, on Craigslist, and call the local no-kill shelters.

                And if you cannot rehome this dog, then make an appointment to have him humanely euthanized by a licensed veterinarian. You owe it to yourself and to this dog to maintain as much dignity as possible.
                Last edited by Auventera Two; Dec. 22, 2010, 10:55 AM.

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                • #48
                  I am very sorry for your loss.

                  Beyond that, I am sickened beyond belief.

                  I took in a horse for a friend, it kicked my horse and he had to be put down. I never held it against that horse or stopped taking care of her because of it. I was devastated, completely broken hearted at the loss of my once in a lifetime horse. I found alternative arrangements for the horse and took care of her in the meantime. (over a month).

                  I hope you can find an arrangement for that dog where he will be loved and cared for and not abandoned for simply being a dog. I am so disgusted.

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                  • #49
                    Same thing w/us. Our barn kitty, who had 3 kittens, moved them from the safe barn to our garage. JRT found the kittens and they were gone before I could even get close. I was very upset, but I know the JRT did what she was bred to do.

                    I've seen mini schnauzers work in tandem to go after lizards. Amazing to watch a toy breed act like their wolf (?) ancestors.

                    I agree, please take the dog to a shelter. I know it is horrible to have Luna with you waiting to be buried. I've had to do that with cats, too. I would be much more furious at the "owners" than the dog.

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                    • #50
                      The internet is a tricky place to vent. I don't know if the OP is serious or just venting, but I agree with everyone that the dog should not be treated cruelly because it killed the cat.

                      I would keep it away from cats and either shelter or euth as soon as possible.

                      Depending on the dog, the kill drive can be manipulated. My ACD/Pit mix killed one of my Mom's chickens.....once. I grabbed the dead bird by the legs and with a stern voice, smacked the dog with the carcass and told her no.

                      That dog has not looked cross eyed at a chicken since, and she and they roam the barn yard together.

                      She will not touch rabbits or cats (the neighbors pets end up in the yard quite often) either, as she has learned they are part of the yard and not to be disturbed.

                      Squirrel, rats, woodchucks and even fox and coyote better look out though.....dear dog knows there's no reprimand for chasing them. Although I don't like her to chase coyote....the last time she did that the coy didn't run, but turned and stood its ground! Yikes. Dog is big (75lbs) but I don't like the thought of her in a tiff with a coyote....but I digress....

                      So sorry to hear of the unfortunate circumstances surrounding your cats death, but please, for gods sake, don't take it out on the poor dog. I guarantee you, the dog doesn't have a clue why you are treating it poorly after the fact.

                      During the act and immediately after, I would have unleashed hell on the dog, but now.....it's too late for correction and they don't understand vengance.
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                      • #51
                        Originally posted by JanM View Post
                        The former owner is the one who said to dump the dog on the street not Elysian, and I know Elysian is just venting and wouldn't do such an inhumane act.
                        Read it again. The "friend" suggested it and the OP is considering it - as well as having the urge to kick and stomp the dog.

                        I hope to God she is just venting - but even then even writing about it shows an appalling lack of character and common sense.

                        I work in dog rescue and I can promise you that MANY people do just what the OP is proposing to do, and if by chance the poor animal survives long enough to be picked up - has usually suffered a great deal, is starved, traumatized and terrified.

                        You think that's humane? Do you even want to associate with a person who even considers doing that to an animal??????
                        Brothers and sisters, I bid you beware
                        Of giving your heart to a dog to tear.
                        -Rudyard Kipling

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                        • #52
                          Originally posted by abbydp View Post
                          EFF I am so very sorry for your loss and your unfeeling, irresponsible friend.
                          It sounds like the OP took the dog in for her GOOD friend who was going through a divorce. This does not make the friend a bad person. She may be in a difficult position where her hands are tied with respect to the dog situation. I'm not sure how you can label the friend irresponsible and unfeeling based on the original post. She posted in a moment of emotional anguish. She agreed to take the dog in and with that comes a responsibility and apparently some risk. Having animals always brings risk with it regardless of how well trained or behaved. I would hope the OP does not allow an awful situation ultimately ruin her friendship.

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                          • #53
                            Here's a thought. Say you turn the dog loose and it goes off and attacks someone else's beloved pet? This is a dog accustomed to being cared for and it's going to get hungry. What if someone a few houses down has an indoor/outdoor cat they love just as much as you love your Luna, and that cat starts looking mighty tasty after a few days of the dog being abandoned by its caretaker? You've then just caused another innocent person to suffer your pain and became the catalyst for another life lost.

                            I'm sorry but I just don't think grief is an excuse for irresponsibility.

                            I know it sucks but sometimes we gotta put on our big girl pants and do what is right- not what is easy. Even when we are enraged with grief. Where are you? If you are in the Cincinnati area I'll pick up the dog tomorrow, if for no other reason than to get it out of the abusive situation you are now putting it in.

                            Yes, I said that. You have allowed your grief to potentially turn you into an animal abuser and someoene who would put other people's pets at risk to satisfy your need for revenge against this dog whose only crime was acting on its instincts. No excuse for that. It's akin to punishing a horse for wanting to graze or cat for hunting a mouse.

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                            • #54
                              Originally posted by sketcher View Post
                              This does not make the friend a bad person.
                              The FRIEND is the one who told the OP to set the dog loose to fend for itself.

                              The OP is considering doing just that.

                              The word "friend" is not one that applies to either of them.
                              Brothers and sisters, I bid you beware
                              Of giving your heart to a dog to tear.
                              -Rudyard Kipling

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                              • #55
                                Originally posted by NeedsAdvil View Post
                                I took in a horse for a friend, it kicked my horse and he had to be put down. I never held it against that horse or stopped taking care of her because of it. I was devastated, completely broken hearted at the loss of my once in a lifetime horse. I found alternative arrangements for the horse and took care of her in the meantime. (over a month).
                                I wasn't going to post this but decided to go ahead and do it.

                                "I believe" that my filly that is laid up right now with a severe limb injury, would not be in this position if it weren't for a crazy Arab mare I took in for free. She was advertised on the net and sounded absolutely wonderful. The owner fed me a huge line of bull about how spectacular this mare is. I agreed to take her sight unseen. She was on my farm 2 weeks and it was a total nightmare the entire time. I have never in my life seen such a mentally fried, screwed up horse.

                                The morning my filly was hurt, I had brought in one of my other mares to the barn, and the crazy Arab mare went BEZERK. She was so freaking herd bound she was dangerous. She was running the fence and screaming her head off, which got my filly excited and worried.

                                The filly started running around all hyper and next thing I knew she was hopping on 3 legs. She's now on 6 months stall rest, and one vet has suggested I euthanize her because she does not think she will heal.

                                In my heart I had a tiny bit of anger for that mare causing the filly's injury. But logically I knew that animals will be animals and that sometimes chyt happens. And really I was the only one to truly blame for taking in the horse in the first place. I cared for the mare to the best of my ability for another week until I drove her 5 hours back to where she came from.

                                Not at any time did I downgrade my level of care for that crazy mare. She got exactly the same care and attention every other horse did because I knew it wasn't her fault she was so nuts. Every day when she was spinning around and trying to double barrel kick my head off, I was setting out her bucket of grain and vitamin/mineral supplement.

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                                • #56
                                  Oh god, I so totally understand where you are coming from.

                                  My sweet cat was killed by a dog I allowed a boarder to bring onto my property. I have honestly never forgiven myselfand probably never will. 4/22/2007. I will never forget it. The whole day is etched into my memory. It was so very, very, very, unbelieveably traumatic. She apparently fought so hard that most of her teeth were broken. I can still remember it like it was yesterday.

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                                  • #57
                                    I've been rewatching my old Triple Crown videos, just watched 1994. One of the main stories that year was Tabasco Cat, who had run over and came very near to killing Wayne Lukas' son, Jeff. Very severe head injury. 6 months after the accident, at the time of the TC races, Jeff was still attending rehab and hadn't gone back to work. He was not expected to survive at first. Wayne Lukas said in one of the interviews that he got the barn help together right afterward, while Jeff was still in a coma and looking very questionable for survival, and emphasized that nobody was going to blame the horse for this, and that they all would continue working with him just as before. It was a sad, tragic accident, but it wasn't the horse's fault.

                                    I dislike Wayne Lukas, but I must say, I've never felt such respect for him as I did while he was telling that story.

                                    I am sorry for your cat, but to even think of "taking it out" on the dog in any way, including putting it out on the road, is the wrong reaction. It changes nothing for your cat. It may add future dead cats for other people, future property damage, possibly even injuries to other people if that dog causes an accident on the road. All of that would be on you, and Luna would still be dead, so nothing would have changed for her through your actions.

                                    Call a shelter. Call a friend (a true friend, not the one who abandoned the dog). Have the dog responsibly taken elsewhere, or have the dog responsibly euthanized.

                                    Again, I'm very sorry about your cat.

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                                    • #58
                                      Our neighbour’s dogs killed my sweet cat. His downfall was that he wasn’t scared of dogs and didn’t run. I know how you feel, but implore you not to take it out on the dog.

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                                      • #59
                                        Originally posted by asb_own_me View Post
                                        These latest posters who've come out of the woodwork to chastise the OP - shame on YOU.

                                        If you've never had thoughts such as hers after something traumatic and upsetting, you are lying.

                                        The OP needs our support and sympathy right now. She is venting. She needs someone to "talk" to. That is how people get emotions out of their systems. Would you all rather she didn't vent and instead turned her rage on the dog? I, for one, don't think she is going to harm the dog. She may want to, she's horribly angry and crushed and her emotions are whirling. She needed to get that out. But she's not going to - she may want to, but she won't.

                                        Seriously (especially kristi, and dressurpferd01 - you are just acting like an ass) - show the OP some compassion at a terrible time.

                                        Those who shared realistic ideas about what *to* do with the dog, good on you. Those who just want to come down on the OP, and not even try to understand, you suck.

                                        To the OP - I am so sorry for the loss of your beloved Luna. And I *get* your anger. {{{hugs}}}
                                        *raising hand* Late poster. Just found this thread. Thanks very much for knowing what others think, asb_own_me. One of my beloved pets was just killed by another animal I'm caring for. Would I take it out on the animal? Would I think terrible thoughts about retribution? Would I abandon it? NO! In the future -- speak - for - yourself. Or better yet, point the finger of shame at elysian*fields*farm, instead of the people who choose responsible animal care. Everything's great until something bad happens, then it's either head bashed in with a shovel or kicked to the curb? Yeah. That's something to defend. And so in keeping with the season too. Very compassionate.


                                        Mods, please consider banning elysian*fields*farm. I for one am appalled by her post and not interested in seeing any more 'vents' in the future, or posts like asb_own_me who feel the need to defend EFF's behavior, and that she's justified in inflicting her disgusting thoughts on the rest of us.
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                                        • #60
                                          What a heartbreaking situation, my condolences on your loss. I would have felt the same way and would have wanted to take a gun to that dog if one were available. Still I could not live with myself if I just let the dog out to fend for itself, take it to the pound, even a kill shelter, and be sure and let them know what she did to Luna, if she did it once she will do it again and it would be unfair to potential new owners not to be warned in advance.

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