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  • #61
    [QUOTE=alg0181;5273710]
    Originally posted by Gnalli View Post

    Oh, sure. I didn't mean to come across that way. I have seen plenty of low-end places where the horses are happy, healthy and well-trained and the riders are great.

    I'm talking about people with delusions of grandeur, who are in no way as talented as they think they are. People with dangerous/stupid training methods and no riding skill at all. Who think it's a great idea to breed their grade draft stallion with their pinto TWH mare to make a "warmblood" (true story). The people who have not one ounce of self-awareness and are convinced they are the best thing that's ever happened to the horse industry.

    I, unfortunately, have met many people like this...
    Draft + TWH??? YIKES!!! Running away to hide now...and I am a died in the wool TWH lover, but they don't make good crosses normally to trotting breeds, esp drafties!!!

    I apologize, given your clarification, I am right there with you... I am sick as a dog, and a couple of posts just hit me wrong, and I was not nice. I am sorry for the 'tude.
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    • #62
      Originally posted by Gnalli View Post
      BRAVO!!!! I like this advice, and hate that you didn't have help with your first horse.
      Thank you, Gnalli. We seem to be in the minority.

      "If you have the time, spend it. If you have a hand, lend it. If you have the money, give it. If you have a heart, share it." by me

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      • #63
        I tend to be a judgmental person, although I only confide in my closest of friends. My best friend boards a place that I would never board at and we spend lots of time judging her barn mates and barn manager. But all of our judgments stay between ourselves. We judge the facilities and care and lack of knowledge that these people have. We judge people who keep stallions that don't do anything except trail ride and are conformational and behavioral messes and expect to everyone to want to breed to their stallions. We judge people who over horse themselves, mostly because we know that they would be happier with a different horse. We judge natural horsemanship goons, even though we both have rope halters, training sticks, and horses that will scoot their booties over if you look at their hindquarters. We would never, ever say anything to the people around us, but we love to gossip about our barns and the people we encounter. We don't feel bad about it, because in reality we are learning how to be better horsewomen--or we justify it by saying that. Lol.

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        • #64
          I've already publicly admitted this with its own thread but I am judgmental of weak women who aren't the leader in the horse human relationship. Drives me absolutely apes***. I truly believe many of these owners are in need of meds, therapy and a nice house cat.
          ...don't sh** where you eat...

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          • #65
            this thread is a great morning coffee break.

            Everyone is judgmental at some point. We are all human and have solidified certain opinions through life's experiences.

            Those who are not...ever...are just fake.

            grammar bothers me when speaking in person.
            grammar and spelling via BB or facebook should not be a bother because we often quickly type out a response and then run off to work again without time to recheck...

            thanks, all y'all.
            I'm originally from NJ. I prefer "yous guys".
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            • #66
              Originally posted by purplnurpl View Post
              this thread is a great morning coffee break.

              Everyone is judgmental at some point. We are all human and have solidified certain opinions through life's experiences.

              Those who are not...ever...are just fake.

              grammar bothers me when speaking in person.
              grammar and spelling via BB or facebook should not be a bother because we often quickly type out a response and then run off to work again without time to recheck...

              thanks, all y'all.
              I'm originally from NJ. I prefer "yous guys".
              I don't have anything else to add except YOU LIVE IN AZLE?? My parents live there. What are the odds? It's such a tiny place!

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              • #67
                Facts are facts.

                Our conclusions, attributions, and....judgment calls: make those facts good, bad or indifferent in our eyes.

                We're all judgmental. Some of us crow about it, some of us hide from it, but if you have two bits of grey matter to bang into each other... there you go.

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                • #68
                  very little odds!

                  There are two other posters here that area Azlilians.
                  Mpack and Kacey's Rider.

                  And for everyone else who has no idea what we are talking about.

                  Azle is a new kind of BFE and makes one GUD for hot dates, and located closest to the DFW metroplex. But oh so fun because out in Tx BFE there are no rules.

                  And I have had to leave work to make the 60 mile drive home in 30 minutes in order to shoot the wild pig chasing our horses.

                  good times.
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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by SoCalGal View Post
                    If it makes you feel any better, I never share any of my opinions with anyone at the barn. I learned long, long ago that advice and input is not desired, nor do I like it when others give me advice. So I am polite, quiet, and smile and nod and do my own thing.

                    It's not the terms that bother me it's how people say them...nose in the air..."I do dressage." or laden down with gadgets and a handbook, "I do Natural Horsemanship."

                    People who really do what they proclaim to do, just do it. People aiming to make a point to others, need to announce it. That's what bugs me.

                    I still don't like to see overweight people ride horses. I feel it's not reasonable to the horse.
                    Is there a weight limit that you think should mean you don't ride? Is my 6'6" husband allowed to ride at all? (okay, no, but that's because he is the world's worst rider, lol) Should anyone over 200 lbs stay off horses? What if you are 5' tall and 160? I'm 5'10", so if weight is the issue, I have a lot less room than a short, round person. I think you're being far too vague in your judgment, which makes me feel very judgmental!

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by SoCalGal View Post
                      OBESE people on horses upset me and yes, I judge them. So does George Morris.
                      If you're using George Morris's definition of fat, you still have a serious problem as his is rather...off-base. (Seriously, I know dancers with a better grasp of healthy vs. skinny.)

                      My brother weighs a lot more than me. His trainers don't have a problem with him riding. I let him ride my horse.

                      As for skinny horses, given how hard it is to put weight on Lucky (he's just a skinny boy) I don't judge unless they're into emaciation territory. Lucky's ribby. The horse who came into our barn after the last barn starved him now looks pudgier! (Of course, he wasn't natually skinny, he was "just old", according to their old BM. His owners moved him, and funnily enough, he's put on weight getting senior feed instead of 'free choice' hay. Imagine that.)

                      I judge the people who think spending more money means they're better horse people.
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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by danceronice View Post
                        If you're using George Morris's definition of fat, you still have a serious problem as his is rather...off-base. (Seriously, I know dancers with a better grasp of healthy vs. skinny.)
                        Agreed. Especially with some of the pictures he is judging by. "Oh she has a hunt coat on and there's a standard blocking my view of her torso but her thighs are thicker than my upper arm so she must be a FATTIE! THERE'S NOTHING UGLIER THAN A FATTIE ON A HORSE! RANT RANT RANT"

                        Okay so maybe GM wouldn't type in all caps but you get the idea

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                        • #72
                          people riding around who have a bigger ass than their horse, it just bothers me

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                          • #73
                            Which is why I love my Paints. Their gorgeous butts make mine look quite small in comparison.

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by DressageGeek "Ribbon Ho" View Post
                              I totally totally agree. Dressing your horse with a skull and crossbones motif, now that's class.
                              Oh darn. I've been judged. I bought a crop with glitter skulls and crossbones for the naughty pony...
                              Personally, I have NEVER met a horse person who ISN"T judgemental (I'll bet some of you even judged my use of all caps ). What's the saying? Get two horsepeople in a room and you'll have three opinions on what's 'right'.
                              I know that I have those "things" that lead me to believe that whoever is a less than competant rider. And sometimes I'm wrong Unfiortunatly, sometyimes I'm not.
                              My pet peeves/things I'm probably going to Judge you for:
                              *Flip-flops in the barn
                              *Your horse's head is in your lap every time you try to stop
                              *Excessive use of gadgets, or blindly folling the "in" trainer
                              *Those who only run their horses, no w/t/c type warmup
                              And, though this isnt really horse related
                              *Those who let others use them as a doormat.

                              So to quote my sister "I'm judging you. I'm judging you hard"

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                              • #75
                                I am not going to spend time defining what I think is obese.

                                This forum is about what we judge, there's no need to get scientific about it! If you feel you are overweight and feel defensive, sorry about that. If you think your weight is appropriate for your horse, you have no need to worry about it...anyway.

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                                • #76
                                  I'm very judgmental about jumping pics on trainer/instructor websites. If you're trying to get new clients, maybe you should find a pic that shows a reasonable jumping position, not one where I'm not sure if the rider actually made it over the jump. Maybe you're trying to show what saintly school horses you have in your barn...

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                                  • #77
                                    Sadly, as every weight thread on here indicated, the problem is the people in this industry who are most vocal about weight are anything BUT scientific-thin's in, and if you have to smoke to do it, so be it.

                                    And since we're being judgemental--another thing I judge, teeny tiny women on whopping 17.2+ fat warmbloods! And when I say judge I mean giggle. It just looks absurd.
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                                    • #78
                                      Originally posted by Kate66 View Post
                                      Completely agree. I am certainly not proud of the times I am judgemental.
                                      Agreed too.

                                      And, I think a few misunderstood my first post What I meant was that tsk tsking someone for incorrectly using a double bridle is not nearly as cruel as tsk tsking someone who uses a hot pink saddle pad. I don't care at all what colors you wear, but an incorrectly used piece of equipment is detrimental to a horse's health. And thats where I get judgmental!

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                                      • #79
                                        I think people can judge hot pink saddle pads too. What's cruel about that? As long as you don't SAY anything to the individual using the pad, it's not cruel.

                                        BTW...everyone is judgmental. I think the people who let their horses control them and distribute treats ad nauseum are foolish. They probably think I don't "love my horse enough" since I don't treat them like babies or lap dogs.

                                        The barefoot people often judge the people with shod horses, the people with shod horses judge the barefoot crowd. Not EVERYONE is like this but frankly, most.

                                        The funniest thing to me is when people claim to not be judgmental at all. REALLY? Kinda doubt it, LOL!!!

                                        The most important thing is to keep opinions to ourselves when at the barn unless something is blatantly dangerous or cruel.

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                                        • #80
                                          Originally posted by purplnurpl View Post
                                          The colt thing drives me nuts.
                                          No matter what your accent, a colt is NEVER a baby horse.
                                          sorry.
                                          Whenever I hear someone say that I think back to my grandparents' time when the options were filly colt or horse colt. I actually smile when I hear it as it brings back fond memories of my father and grandfather who are both gone and were excellent farmers. Didn't bother me a bit when my father would ask how the new colt was (my only breeding). Even though her name was Lucy. That's just how they said it back then.

                                          Having said that, I'm pretty sure I can tell when people just get it wrong! There's a difference between an old phrase used by someone from that time, someone who just doesn't know, and someone who just doesn't bother to try and get it right.
                                          "Those who know the least often know it the loudest."

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