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SPINOFF: Fencing, Shelter & Compliance

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  • #21
    Originally posted by MistyBlue View Post
    ...But if our summers got as hot and humid as yours do for that many weeks straight...I'd be wimpy about that. Hell, I'd melt into a sweaty puddle of whining. To me...that's hell on earth.
    With one of my medications, it's hell on earth for me too. I like that 70 to 80 degree range, sunny, slight breezy...

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    • #22
      Originally posted by MistyBlue View Post
      Hell, I'd melt into a sweaty puddle of whining. To me...that's hell on earth.
      Southern women don't sweat.

      We glisten.
      Brothers and sisters, I bid you beware
      Of giving your heart to a dog to tear.
      -Rudyard Kipling

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      • #23
        This weather is my BIL's fault. He moved from Wisconsin to Vero Beach "just in time to miss the cold weather". Hah!
        FL isn't bad, when it is freezing up here. July? When I put my wet swimsuit on the porch railing to dry and went out to get it hours later and not only was it still wet it was hot? No thank you. HI is much better.

        Honestly I don't know what our local ordinances are regarding horses. I went down to the county planning department and what I remember is that there were no restrictions on the number of animal units you could have on rural property. Housing requirements I just don't remember. They may be on line by now, if there are any, this state has been slow to put information on the webz but it is happening.
        There is a comprehensive blueprint for deadstock disposal and some counties subsidize removal, but I have still seen deadstock left to rot, not 300 yards from the flippin' high school. I guess you see more from a 4x if you look down over the edge than you do in a cruiser, but still . . .
        Last edited by ReSomething; Dec. 9, 2010, 03:12 AM. Reason: I really need to go to bed, my brain I think has left already
        Courageous Weenie Eventer Wannabe
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        • #24
          We glisten.
          Okay then, I'd melt into a glistening puddle of whining.
          You jump in the saddle,
          Hold onto the bridle!
          Jump in the line!
          ...Belefonte

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          • #25
            I looked yesterday on line for a while and all I could find were some general animal laws in Virginia. It was almost all geared for pets like dogs and cats. All it said was "adequate" shelter and food must be provided. That leaves a LOT up for interpretation.

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            • #26
              Originally posted by Daydream Believer View Post
              I looked yesterday on line for a while and all I could find were some general animal laws in Virginia. It was almost all geared for pets like dogs and cats. All it said was "adequate" shelter and food must be provided. That leaves a LOT up for interpretation.
              Just be sure when they interpret or worse, make them clear in their books, who is in charge of that.

              The HSUS is muscling in on that in every state and their chaotic rules are not intended to help anyone but as lip service.
              As we can see by what they have already provided as examples, in CA, IL and MO, their goal is to disrupt the keeping of animals by anyone.

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              • #27
                DB - our animal laws are scattered throughout several code sections. And there are a lot of regulations, too. What's not in a statute, will be in a regulation.

                Your best bet is to start with your local ordinances and work your way up. Check zoning ordinances, too. Verify any setback requirements for fencing, manure piles, barns/buildings.

                There is an Animal Law handbook which is very useful. I'll try and see if I can locate one for you.



                Originally posted by Daydream Believer View Post
                I looked yesterday on line for a while and all I could find were some general animal laws in Virginia. It was almost all geared for pets like dogs and cats. All it said was "adequate" shelter and food must be provided. That leaves a LOT up for interpretation.
                Brothers and sisters, I bid you beware
                Of giving your heart to a dog to tear.
                -Rudyard Kipling

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                • #28
                  For those wondering about what your horse needs, could you call your local animal control or run by their office and ask? I bet they would be happy to accommodate your questions, after all, they should know.

                  LOL forgot about the 4 fans in the barn running when it gets a bit too hot for my Quarter Horses! One on either side, up on one of the beams above the door pointing down, then the other two pointing out, about head high, into the aisle way! Spoiled beasts! I do have to laugh in the summer, when I go out to do barn chores, they all will be standing in the barn aisle, positioned in such a way that they each get a fan on them, eyes half closed, so it must feel real good to them.
                  "Promise me you'll always remember: your braver than you believe, and stronger than you seem, and smarter than you think." By Christopher Robins to Pooh

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                  • #29
                    If anyone wants to do any fencing, water development or establishing pastures, they ought to check with their agricultural/farming offices, as they have many programs that will cost share from 1/2 to 2/3.
                    That is a big help on any approved proyects AND they know what permits or regulations are in the books for those activities.

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                    • #30
                      We just bought a new run-in shed this summer, and finally got it put it a couple of weeks ago just in time for this cold. The 3 paddocks that are used the most are all 4-board fencing with the exception of the line in the "pony" paddock (dry lot, some trees) that runs through the woods. That is wire and will eventually be redone. All 3 paddocks now have a run-in shed. 2 of them are adjacent to the barn, and the run-ins off the barn are small but they work well for 2 horses, sometimes 3 if they get along. The run-in in the top paddock should work for 3 horses but we're still determining if the boss mare is letting anyone else in. Might be stalling a few when it rains this weekend

                      That said, we have a bigger pasture that we use occassionally, but it has high tensile along 2 sides and a steep slope in the back. I lost a TB filly to that fence, so I try not to use it, and never again for crazy babies.

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                        #31
                        This site has an overview of the state statutes - but it does not look to have everything that should be included in a certain state: http://www.animallaw.com/LawSearch.cfm

                        List of states where animal abuse, neglect and cruelty are a felony. Compiles the fines, jail time and whether or not you can get your animals back or even own animals:http://www.pet-abuse.com/pages/cruelty_laws.php

                        And while waltzing around that website, I found this:http://www.humanesociety.org/news/ne...ng_091410.html, which I find disturbing!

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                        • #32
                          Originally posted by Shine View Post
                          This site has an overview of the state statutes - but it does not look to have everything that should be included in a certain state: http://www.animallaw.com/LawSearch.cfm

                          List of states where animal abuse, neglect and cruelty are a felony. Compiles the fines, jail time and whether or not you can get your animals back or even own animals:http://www.pet-abuse.com/pages/cruelty_laws.php

                          And while waltzing around that website, I found this:http://www.humanesociety.org/news/ne...ng_091410.html, which I find disturbing!
                          I think PP didn't know or maybe worse, didn't care seeing the chance to reach the millions of clueless supporters the HSUS has, that the HSUS is, as has been said, PETA in business clothes.

                          They are one more animal rights group, intending in causing much chaos in owning and using animals, until no one can do so any more.

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                            #33
                            Thought I would add compliance to this thread because it is relevant. I just researched some of my state statutes for animal care (I wish they would have all this crap in one place!) along with some of the cases where animals were seized and owners sited and/or convicted.

                            A lot of the comments on this got me thinking about some questions. So this morning my neighbor (the selectman) was out working on his garage and I got some very scary answers. Yes, anyone can make a complaint and depending on who makes one, depends on how it's acted upon. While animals might not be seized it could cost a lot of money, time and aggravation because of some "jerk wad" who thinks they know the law or wants to make life miserable.

                            On the plus side, he has been over when the vet and farrier have been here and has seen the "hay dude" deliver. He told me that if he saw something NQR, he would just mosey over to find out what was going on. He also said that my horses have more changes of clothes than he has!

                            IMO a responsible horse owner should take time and effort to keep their animals safe in situations such as these. Uneducated you can fix, ignorance not so much.

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                            • #34
                              I also think it should be very very easy for people to find applicable laws regarding what shelter, feed, etc is required in their state or area. No one should have to go dig at the courthouse to find out what the requirements are just so they don't get blindsided one day by a seizure for some stupid violation that could have or would have been corrected otherwise...if only one knew. That's just insane to have to go on a wild goose chase to find out what the laws are.

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